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pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 5:25 am Post subject: Why the "Do Not Archive"

Well Ralph, I can't speak for the originator (who'se been removed ....... so sad .....) but for myself I use 'do not archive' (so it doesn't go there again) a lot because usually it's my opinion or my limited experience.  I would, in no way, want someone to take my drivel as gospel, and possibly suffer some indignity that I managed to escape.  Although the plane he was speaking of .... his Zenith ..... may not have the same construction nor similar problems to an RV-10 .... I also found his info rather enlightening.  I'd have never thought of putting rocks in the tank as a acuffing agent.  Introducing foreign material (maybe sloshing compound fits this too) into my fuel tank just goes against the grain.  I do understand your position, and ponder each time whether to add the postscript or not ...... and apply the criteria above.  Each time I wonder if I'm passing on urban legend or not.  There are far more experienced posters on these lists, and I defer to their wisdom a lot!!!

 

 As for the archives, I've seen a lot of 'me too' that can't seem to find stuff they're looking for, that don't contain the 'dna', and also don't have any new info or a correct subject line.  Maybe we should work on keeping the subject line relevant????

 Linn

 ..... it's already there!!!

 

 Ralph Finch wrote:

 [quote]         The below is a great post about thorough preparation of a tank for sealant...but had Don'tArchive at the end.  I reproduce the post here with the DNA and the author's name removed.

    

   I'm just wondering why, on posts like these with useful info, do the authors put the DNA label.  Prevents finding the good info in the future.

    

   Ralph Finch

   

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		             Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 5:23 PM

     To: rv-list(at)matronics.com (rv-list(at)matronics.com)

     Subject: Re: Alcohol proof fuel tank sealer?

     

     

     

Jim. Here is my take on this rather touchy issue. On my Zenith 801 I researched this topic quite extensively and came to this conclusion. When properly applied the Randolph 912 sloshing compound will stand up to the demands of alcohol laced fuel. The earlier product will degrade when used with gas mixed with alcohol. Several reports have any sloshing compound suspect with downing of aircraft. This might be true, to a point. There was a DC-3 that crashed on takeoff  and the conclusion was the sloshing compound came loose and plugged the fuel lines. The real story is the operator tried to seal up leaking tanks that were 50+ years old to save some money. Of course in those 50 years the fuel in the tanks, like any gas will do, coated the inner surface of the tanks with a varnish. Since they couldn't properly clean and prep the tanks they apparently just added sloshing sealer and let it dry. Common sense says the chain is only as strong as the weakest link and that turned out to be the layer of scum that the sealer attached itself to. It did delaminate and that apparently sent the sloshing compound/varnish into the tanks to float around and plug up the works. The proper way and the way I did my tanks is to take a virgin tank, before it is mounted in the wing, add MEK and shake it good. I then added a cup or so of gravel and shaked again for several minutes. This abraded the inner surface and scuffed it up to let the sloshing compound get a grip. I then emptied the tank, flushed it with hot water and detergent a few times and dumped a little more MEK in it, shook it more. poured that out and let it air dry. Then I added the 912 product and rotated the tank to throughly coat the inner surface with the compound, poured the remaining product out and let it dry for a week or so. The stuff is bonded to my satisfaction. After 5 years and thousands of gallons of fuel through the tanks there is absolutly no signs of failure of the sloshing compound or delamination from the tank surface. I suspect the bad rap the sloshing compound gets is from people who try to fix a tank and not prep the surface correctly. It is not like one can take a DC-3 and shake it good enough to remove 50 eyars of crud build up..      

YMMV.

     

        

	
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Bob Collins

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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 6:37 am Post subject: Why the "Do Not Archive"

//As for the archives, I've seen a lot of 'me too'  that can't seem to find stuff they're looking for, that don't contain the 'dna',  and also don't have any new info or a correct subject line.  Maybe we  should work on keeping the subject line relevant????

  

 Maybe  the list should adopt the Google model and just keep all threads intact and  provide the searcher with all the possibilities rathre than let posters  decide what someone in the future will be interested in  reading.    When I've used the search engine in the past, I  almost never find a total thread...I find fragments, leav ing me to wonder whta  details are missing .  I LIKE people's opinions becuase usually it's based  on their EXPERIENCES which is of great value.

  

 It's  an antiquated archving strategy.

  

 But to  avoid the "do not archive" police, well.... do not  archive. 

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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 6:53 am Post subject: Why the "Do Not Archive"

Bob Collins wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		    //As for the archives, I've seen a lot of 'me too' that can't seem to find

 stuff they're looking for, that don't contain the 'dna', and also don't have

 any new info or a correct subject line.  Maybe we should work on keeping the

 subject line relevant????

   

 Maybe the list should adopt the Google model and just keep all threads

 intact and provide the searcher with all the possibilities rathre than let

 posters decide what someone in the future will be interested in reading.

 When I've used the search engine in the past, I almost never find a total

 thread...I find fragments, leav ing me to wonder whta details are missing .

 I LIKE people's opinions becuase usually it's based on their EXPERIENCES

 which is of great value.

  

 It's an antiquated archving strategy.


	




Here's another approach, Bob; if a message isn't worth archiving......it 

probably isn't worth posting......  



Sam Buchanan

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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 7:14 am Post subject: Why the "Do Not Archive"

I’ve never been a fan of Do Not Archive.  When I do search the archive, I find that threads since it was implemented are full of holes at best.  Later posts often refer to earlier posts that are missing, so the sense of the thread is ruined.  Worse, if someone does have something useful to say, it is totally lost if they quote the previous thread and fail, like in this message, to delete the DNA from the quoted message – understandable if there is a long quote and even more so if the quotes are several messages deep.  

   

Before DNA was implemented, there were a lot of complaints about ‘signal to noise ratio’ in the archives.  Personally, I never had a problem; the search engine narrowed the field and a good text parser handled the rest.  Frankly, I don’t see how implementing a strategy that reduces the noise by also reducing the signal really helps in getting the signal through.  

   

Patrick Kelley – RV-6A – FWF kit received; too much d****d snow to get into the hangar  

       

From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Collins

 Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 7:33 AM

 To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Why the "Do Not Archive"   

  

  

     

 //As for the archives, I've seen a lot of 'me too' that can't seem to find stuff they're looking for, that don't contain the 'dna', and also don't have any new info or a correct subject line.  Maybe we should work on keeping the subject line relevant????

     

    

Maybe the list should adopt the Google model and just keep all threads intact and provide the searcher with all the possibilities rathre than let posters decide what someone in the future will be interested in reading.    When I've used the search engine in the past, I almost never find a total thread...I find fragments, leav ing me to wonder whta details are missing .  I LIKE people's opinions becuase usually it's based on their EXPERIENCES which is of great value.  

    

   

    

It's an antiquated archving strategy.  

    

   

    

But to avoid the "do not archive" police, well.... do not archive.   

  

     

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Bob Collins

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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 7:16 am Post subject: Why the "Do Not Archive"

//Here's another approach, Bob; if a message isn't worth archiving......it

probably isn't worth posting......  



See, if we'd have a good archiving system, you'd be able to look back 3 days

and see the one I wrote that said:



"Plus, I've never been able to understand why a message that has no value i

the future, would have any in the present?"



Fortunately, the Web-based RV-List doens't pay any attention to the "do not

archive" command, and so it's available here:



http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=39384



Joking aside, the problem isn't the message that shouldn't have been posted

in the first place; the problem is the posts that provide decent information

that people feel compelled to DNA because they don't see the value in their

own expertise.



Of course, in this day and age -- unlike the old days when the RV List as

created -- there are literally hundreds of builder sites out there,

containing vast amounts of information.



So I'll put another plug in for the solution to taming the information:



http://rvnewsletter.blogspot.com/



I'm pretty sure I don't have to write Do not archive on a separate line

here, seeing as how I've already mentioned in three times, but just in case.

Do Not archive

I feel like I should hve a 1200 baud modem when I type that. (g)

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