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                       Total Messages Posted Sat 03/01/08: 2
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  Today's Message Index:
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       1. 11:02 PM - Official Engines-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)  (Matt Dralle)
       2. 11:06 PM - Official Engines-List Usage Guidelines  (Matt Dralle)
   
   
   
  ________________________________  Message 1  _____________________________________
  Time: 11:02:55 PM PST US
  From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
  Subject: Official Engines-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)
  Dear Listers,
 
  Please read over the Engines-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below.  The
  complete Engines-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the
  following URL:
 
     http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Engines-List.FAQ.html
 
  Thank you,
 
  Matt Dralle
  Matronics Email List Administrator
  [ Note: This FAQ was designed to be displayed with a fixed width font such as
           Courier.  Proportional fonts will cause display formatting errors. ]
     This FAQ can also be viewed in HTML online at the following address:
     
                   http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Engines-List.htm
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  where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki 
  permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
 
  While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be 
  comfortable building pages.  In that case, simply prepare the text and any 
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              - Latest version of the Engines-List Frequently Asked Question 
                page (this document).
 
     * Engines-Archive.digest.complete 
 
              - Complete file with most of the email header info removed and 
                page breaks inserted between messages.
 
     * Engines-Archive.digest.vol-??  
 
              - Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that 
                can more easily handled.
 
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              - Same as the Engines-Archive.digest.complete file above, but 
                in PKZIP format.  Use "binary" data transfer methods.
 
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              - Same as the Engines-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in 
                UNIX compress format.  Use "binary" data transfer methods.
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                       Engines-List Usage Guidelines
  ******************************************************************************
 
  The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Engines-List.
  You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
  Failure to use the Engines-List in the manner described below may result 
  in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
  Engines-List Policy Statement
 
  The purpose of the Engines-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
  things related to this particular discussion group.  The List's goals
  are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
  high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
  among its members; and to support safe operation.  Reaching these goals 
  requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of 
  the List.  To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
   - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level.  Do not submit
     posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
     lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
 
   - THINK carefully before you write.  Ask yourself if your post will be
     relevant to everyone.  If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
 
   - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
     that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate.  Try to be concise and
     terse in your posts.  Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
     responses.
 
   - Keep your signature brief.  Please include your name, email address,
     aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location.  A short line
     about where you are in the building process is also nice.  Avoid
     bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
     space in the archive.
 
   - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
     easily obtainable from other widely available sources.  Consult the
     web page or FAQ first.
 
   - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
     your response the same as that of the original post.  This makes it
     easy to find threads in the archive.
 
   - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
     response.  DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
     reader to the topic at hand, but be selective.  The impact that
     quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive 
     can not be overstated!
 
   - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
     then go ahead and reply to the List.  Be aware that clicking the
     "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
     response to the original poster.  You might have to actively address
     your response with the original poster's email address.
 
   - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
     to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal.  "Way to go!", "I
     agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
     to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
 
   - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
     comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
     contribute something valuable.
 
   - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
     polite and respectful.  Don't make snide comments, personally attack
     other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
     controversial issue.  This will only cause a pointless debate that
     will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
 
   - Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly 
     subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable.  Posts by 
     List members promoting their respective products or items for sale 
     should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble 
     a typical SPAM message.  The List isn't about commercialism, but 
     is about sharing information and knowledge.  This applies to 
     everyone, including those who provide products to the entire 
     community.  Informal presentation and moderation should be the 
     operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
 
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  ________________________________  Message 2  _____________________________________
  Time: 11:06:11 PM PST US
  From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
  Subject: Official Engines-List Usage Guidelines
  Dear Listers,
 
  Please read over the Engines-List Usage Guidelines below.  The complete
  Engines-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
  following URL:
 
     http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Engines-List.FAQ.html
 
  Thank you,
 
  Matt Dralle
  Matronics Email List Administrator
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                       Engines-List Usage Guidelines
  ******************************************************************************
 
  The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Engines-List.
  You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
  Failure to use the Engines-List in the manner described below may result 
  in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
  Engines-List Policy Statement
 
  The purpose of the Engines-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
  things related to this particular discussion group.  The List's goals
  are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
  high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
  among its members; and to support safe operation.  Reaching these goals 
  requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of 
  the List.  To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
   - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level.  Do not submit
     posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
     lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
 
   - THINK carefully before you write.  Ask yourself if your post will be
     relevant to everyone.  If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
 
   - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
     that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate.  Try to be concise and
     terse in your posts.  Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
     responses.
 
   - Keep your signature brief.  Please include your name, email address,
     aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location.  A short line
     about where you are in the building process is also nice.  Avoid
     bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
     space in the archive.
 
   - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
     easily obtainable from other widely available sources.  Consult the
     web page or FAQ first.
 
   - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
     your response the same as that of the original post.  This makes it
     easy to find threads in the archive.
 
   - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
     response.  DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
     reader to the topic at hand, but be selective.  The impact that
     quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive 
     can not be overstated!
 
   - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
     then go ahead and reply to the List.  Be aware that clicking the
     "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
     response to the original poster.  You might have to actively address
     your response with the original poster's email address.
 
   - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
     to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal.  "Way to go!", "I
     agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
     to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
 
   - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
     comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
     contribute something valuable.
 
   - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
     polite and respectful.  Don't make snide comments, personally attack
     other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
     controversial issue.  This will only cause a pointless debate that
     will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
 
   - Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly 
     subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable.  Posts by 
     List members promoting their respective products or items for sale 
     should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble 
     a typical SPAM message.  The List isn't about commercialism, but 
     is about sharing information and knowledge.  This applies to 
     everyone, including those who provide products to the entire 
     community.  Informal presentation and moderation should be the 
     operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
 
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