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lacloudchaser(at)yahoo.co
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 Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 5:20 am Post subject: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... |
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As a previous owner of 2 M14s, I just spent 2 days with folks 1v1 with my Hoosai.
This may have been in a past Yak discussion I missed, but with M14P prices so high and stock dwindling (red alert article), is there no future, or any new/possible developments for a chinese supplier of higher bang Hoosai's priced to take the market by storm 
Sounds crazy, Chinese coming in with an as good/better product at lower cost, but thought I would ask...this one's not going to last forever, and I know DVT is well on their way to giving these motors a power-lift...
Hmm, seems if the reason were about to pay $4.00 a gallon for 87 octane and $6.50 for avgas is because the Chinese nation is massively expanding their industrial base, urbanizing and drinking all the oil they can buy, hey, the least they could do was send us American "Nanchang" pilots (and yaks too) a competitive source of beefed up engines at fair prices so we can show off their handywork here in the states
come on - show some love Premier Wen Jiabao! (somebody, Doug, please fax this to his office, thanks)
Also, any update on the success of the metal 3 blade (performance results/controllability) - I hear it was down in AZ??
You can also reach me at lacloudchaser(at)gmail.com (lacloudchaser(at)gmail.com)
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| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 8:32 am Post subject: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... |
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I've got a brand new housai for sale along with a new prop, if you're
interested.
Ernie
On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 9:17 AM, Drew <lacloudchaser(at)yahoo.com> wrote:
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As a previous owner of 2 M14s, I just spent 2 days with folks 1v1 with my
Hoosai.
This may have been in a past Yak discussion I missed, but with M14P prices
so high and stock dwindling (red alert article), is there no future, or any
new/possible developments for a chinese supplier of higher bang Hoosai's
priced to take the market by storm
Sounds crazy, Chinese coming in with an as good/better product at lower
cost, but thought I would ask...this one's not going to last forever, and I
know DVT is well on their way to giving these motors a power-lift...
Hmm, seems if the reason were about to pay $4.00 a gallon for 87 octane and
$6.50 for avgas is because the Chinese nation is massively expanding their
industrial base, urbanizing and drinking all the oil they can buy, hey, the
least they could do was send us American "Nanchang" pilots (and yaks too) a
competitive source of beefed up engines at fair prices so we can show off
their handywork here in the states
come on - show some love Premier Wen Jiabao! (somebody, Doug, please fax
this to his office, thanks)
Also, any update on the success of the metal 3 blade (performance
results/controllability) - I hear it was down in AZ??
You can also reach me at lacloudchaser(at)gmail.com
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tjyak50
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| Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:15 am Post subject: Re: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... |
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Drew:
The Deer Valley Modified M14 "Rat" motors are exceeding 450hp* with all the mods.
* This claim is based on empirical dyno data and also comparative observation by independent third party pilots (with substantial experience) in "Advanced Close Maneuvering".
I have about 40 hours on my "Rat" motor and the results are shocking.
It ain't cheap, but it is a much more efficient motor.
Didn't see any metal 3 blades at the last Phoenix event however.
TJ
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brian-1927(at)lloyd.com
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| Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:13 am Post subject: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... |
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On Mar 17, 2008, at 9:15 AM, tjyak50 wrote:
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Drew:
The Deer Valley Modified M14 "Rat" motors are exceeding 450hp* with
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OK, I'll bite. What is a "Rat" motor?
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kurt(at)scitechsys.com
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| Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:28 am Post subject: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... |
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Sounds like a cage and a wheel are involved.
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K
Brian Lloyd wrote:
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On Mar 17, 2008, at 9:15 AM, tjyak50 wrote:
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> Drew:
> The Deer Valley Modified M14 "Rat" motors are exceeding 450hp* with
> all the mods.
OK, I'll bite. What is a "Rat" motor?
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Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
— Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C
PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C
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richard.goode(at)russiana
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| Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:36 am Post subject: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... |
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There is only one way to measure power and that is with a properly calibrated and compensated dynonometer!!
Richard
Richard Goode Aerobatics
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Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
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brian-1927(at)lloyd.com
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| Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:46 am Post subject: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... |
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On Mar 17, 2008, at 10:24 AM, Kurt Howerton wrote:
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Sounds like a cage and a wheel are involved.
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F'in big rat!
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Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
— Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C
PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C
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cjpilot710(at)AOL.COM
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| Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:04 am Post subject: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... |
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In a message dated 3/17/2008 1:48:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, brian-1927(at)lloyd.com writes:
| Quote: | --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-1927(at)lloyd.com>
On Mar 17, 2008, at 10:24 AM, Kurt Howerton wrote:
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Sounds like a cage and a wheel are involved.
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F'in big rat! |
Did you know rats can't vomit?
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Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
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| Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:46 am Post subject: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... |
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And some pointy nosed furry beady eyed critters that slink around at night
know for spreading the plague.
Doc
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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
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| Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:46 am Post subject: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... |
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No just shit everywhere!
doc
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Subject: Re: Re: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please...
In a message dated 3/17/2008 1:48:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, brian-1927(at)lloyd.com writes:
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-1927(at)lloyd.com>
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Did you know rats can't vomit?
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brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
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brian-1927(at)lloyd.com
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| Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:17 pm Post subject: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... |
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| Quote: | > Sounds like a cage and a wheel are involved.
F'in big rat!
Did you know rats can't vomit?
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Considering what they eat, that is probably to ensure they keep their
lunch down.
And I am still interested in a "rat motor".
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Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
— Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C
PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C
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ChangDriver
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| Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:35 pm Post subject: Re: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... |
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Drew:
I believe Richard Hess is flying a CJ with the 400 HP Chinese engine. From what I understand from Barry, the engines are not cheap. With the dollar going into the tank at a fast rate, all things from the other side get more expensive!
Craig
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cjpilot710(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:53 pm Post subject: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... |
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In a message dated 3/17/2008 10:22:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, brian-1927(at)lloyd.com writes:
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| Quote: | > Sounds like a cage and a wheel are involved.
F'in big rat!
Did you know rats can't vomit?
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Considering what they eat, that is probably to ensure they keep their
lunch down.
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Actually rats are very finicky eaters. Any time they taste a food for the first time, they eat only a very tiny part. If they do not get sick, they will eat more of it next time. If they do get sick, they will find a source of clay and eat it to naturalize any poisons from the bad food. And they will never eat that same food again.
By "rat motor" I believe they mean like "radical" with all the mods they've made out there. Who knows, DVT guys do strange stuff. 
Pappy
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And I am still interested in a "rat motor".
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brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
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KingCJ6(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:08 pm Post subject: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... |
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Per Wikipedia:
Originally a counter-reaction to the 50s "Hot Rod", a label recently applied to undriven cars and super high priced "customs". The "Rat Rod"'s beginning was a throwback to the Hot Rods of the earlier days of Hot Rodding, built to the best of the owner's abilities and meant to be driven. Rat Rods are meant to loosely imitate in form and function, the "Traditional" Hot Rods of the era. Biker, greaser, rockabilly, and punk culture is often credited as influence that shapes of Rat Rodding.
The typical rat rod (an early 1920s through 1950s coupe or roadster): Early (pre-World War II) vehicles often have their fenders, hoods, running boards, and bumpers removed. The bodies are frequently channeled over the frame, and sectioned, or the roofs chopped for a lower profile. Later post-war vehicles are rarely constructed without fenders and are often customized in the fashion of Kustoms, leadsleds, and low-riders. Maltese crosses, skulls, and other accessories are often added. Chopped tops, shaved trim, grills, tail lights, and other miscellaneous body parts are swapped between makes and models. Most, if not all of the work and engineering is done by the owner of the vehicle.
Recently, the
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cjpilot710(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:16 pm Post subject: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... |
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In a message dated 3/18/2008 12:10:04 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, KingCJ6(at)aol.com writes:
Yep. Sound like the DVT guys alright.
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Originally a counter-reaction to the 50s "Hot Rod", a label recently applied to undriven cars and super high priced "customs". The "Rat Rod"'s beginning was a throwback to the Hot Rods of the earlier days of Hot Rodding, built to the best of the owner's abilities and meant to be driven. Rat Rods are meant to loosely imitate in form and function, the "Traditional" Hot Rods of the era. Biker, greaser, rockabilly, and punk culture is often credited as influence that shapes of Rat Rodding.
The typical rat rod (an early 1920s through 1950s coupe or roadster): Early (pre-World War II) vehicles often have their fenders, hoods, running boards, and bumpers removed. The bodies are frequently channeled over the frame, and sectioned, or the roofs chopped for a lower profile. Later post-war vehicles are rarely constructed without fenders and are often customized in the fashion of Kustoms, leadsleds, and low-riders. Maltese crosses, skulls, and other accessories are often added. Chopped tops, shaved trim, grills, tail lights, and other miscellaneous body parts are swapped between makes and models. Most, if not all of the work and engineering is done by the owner of the vehicle.
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dsavarese(at)elmore.rr.co
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| Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:58 am Post subject: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... |
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Yes, that's true. If I'm not mistaken, it's the only 400 HP Chinese engine
in the US and he recently had some serious problems with the engine. Last I
heard a 400 HP Chinese engine was $40K+.
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In a message dated 3/18/2008 7:58:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dsavarese(at)elmore.rr.com writes:
Has anyone every thought of an alternative engine? If indeed the Chinese and M-14 engines become over priced (US dollar) and scariest, our airplanes maybe sitting out as useless toys that are unsalable. How far away that is I do not know. With fuel prices heading only upward, at what point do we start feeling the pinch and start sitting on the ground? We all have a limit at some point.
Auto engines with newer designs of gear reduction systems are still being perfected and are light years ahead in some aspects. It would change the profile view of the CJ profoundly, BUT just might increase its performance as dramatically.
Just something to think about or would we be committing sacrilege at the alter of the radial engine? Me? I am a whore. I will fly anything. The engine in an airplane is a means to an end. Flight. Yes, I love all the rest of it and hope it last forever. But in the end it is still flight.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
[quote]--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese(at)elmore.rr.com>
Yes, that's true. If I'm not mistaken, it's the only 400 HP Chinese engine
in the US and he recently had some serious problems with the engine. Last I
heard a 400 HP Chinese engine was $40K+.
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Auto conversions won't save you money. There's a nice reliable setup for a
Seabee and you can likely look at it at Sun n Fun next month, but the setup
goes for about $60K. The Seabees actually park fairly close to the Warbird area.
David Stroud Ottawa, Canada
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Fairchild 51 under construction
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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
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I don't normally disagree with you Richard, and in fact I am not now!
You're absolutely correct, there is only one way to measure power and to
even begin to state an actual horsepower number. However, being
Americans we have been making that mistake for years and years with
questions like: "Gee, how much more horsepower do you think I'll get
with that nice set of headers, or intake manifold, or prepped heads,
etc., etc". The use of the term "Rat Motor" is an emphasis on that
basis of measurement which is anything but accurate, but does indeed
point to Americans desire and ability to "soup up" engines made by
anyone for anything and to be very very successful in the process.
That said, when you raise the compression on a motor from say 7:1 to
8:1, use gapless rings that reduce blow-by, clean up the ports on the
heads, etc., you simply ARE going to end up with an increase in
horsepower. Actual dynamometer tests have shown this in every case on
most every engine in the world including radials. The question is: "By
how much".
Mark Bitterlich
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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:30 pm Post subject: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... |
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Then what was that junk that came out of it's mouth when that huge trap about cut the one I saw in half?
Oh...... Never mind.
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