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pwmac(at)sisna.com
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 10:36 am Post subject: gps

I am surpriesed with your issues with the Lowrance. But good to hear about them.

 My hiking Lowrance allows me to display things like heading, speed, and many other items either with or without the label. I can define the units and whether I want to display them and I always delete the warnings. Of course even if a warning is displayed just touch the exit button and it goes away. I thought all the Lowrance units used the same chip? True monochome is not preferred. My color units can be adjusted for very clear viewing in bright sunlight. Not wise for hiking due to short battery life.

 IMO, From my reading the Garmin is the way to go.

 PW

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 At 11:35 AM 5/11/2008, you wrote:

 [quote]I just flew with a low end monochrome Lowrance and found it was very BAD.  It popped up warnings every time I turned the plane (you are approaching Monterey airspace).  The warning was right the center of the moving map.  A moving map that is default north up and knots (with no label to tell if it is knots or mph) and no way to change the start up defaults.  Was more of a distraction than a help.

  

 For the same money you can get Anywhere map loaded on a PDA that is brilliant color, daylight readable and loads of excellent features.  Anywhere map is not as solidly reliable and easy to use a the Garmin 296, but GPS is definitely a place where you get what you pay for.

  

 Jim Shumaker



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Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 10:48 am Post subject: gps

Hi Bob-

You did the panel like I should have....in sections...that's a good  

idea. So far I haven't needed to change anything on mine, except for  

a change from one type of turn coordinator to another, but in the  

same size. How long before the plane is done?



Lynn

On May 11, 2008, at 1:27 PM, bob noffs wrote:



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		   hi lynn,

  those quick release panel mounts are a slick way to go. if redoing  

 a panel for a new gps were a problem i would go with the bracket  

 you talk about. as it is my panel has everything [ engine monitor,  

 flight instruments switches , etc]  but the transponder on the left  

 18 inches. i made the panel removeable and in 4 pieces so a new gps  

 would require a piece of panel i could make in probably 2 hours.  

 the pilot side is a different matter, it would take several days of  

 layout and a hundred holes to drill. the fisher dakota hawk is  

 blessed with a lot of panel space.

  i just looked and i have your address, probably from the jab list.  

 i will send you a pic.

                                     bob noffs

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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 12:19 pm Post subject: gps

At one time Skystar was offering a 3-section panel.  Very nice unit and if I 

was to redo mine, that's the way I would go.  Does anybody know if John or 

any aftermarket vendors still supply these panels for a Kitfox?

Deke



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jdmcbean(at)kitfoxaircraf
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 2:24 pm Post subject: gps

Yes we do... 



Actually we can supply most if not all the parts for the Kitfox Models.

Some of the older ones... pre Model IV take a little time but we can usually

help.  Safe to say that for the Model IV and newer models we can help with

most any part.



Fly Safe !!

John & Debra McBean

Ph 208.337.5111

www.kitfoxaircraft.com 

"The Sky is not the Limit...  It's a Playground" 



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Guy Buchanan

Joined: 16 Jul 2006
Posts: 1204
Location: Ramona, CA

Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 8:29 pm Post subject: gps

At 08:16 AM 5/11/2008, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  When I get there (re-fit) where would I look for modular info.


	


         There's no info, you get to make it up yourself. >:-} I will 

cut out sections of the existing panel that I think make sense from a 

maintenance standpoint. I will then reinforce the remainder of the 

panel to support itself and the cut out "modules". The modules will 

then be put back on, (or new plates made,) with hinges and all the 

wiring / tubing will be strain relieved at the hinge line. The 

opposite end will be fastened with a couple of fasteners, (or more,) 

the whole idea being that if I want to get behind the panel I can 

very easily. If I want to do a mod, I replace a flat panel plate, a 

fairly easy proposition.

Guy Buchanan

San Diego, CA

K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.

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Catz631(at)aol.com
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 3:45 am Post subject: gps

Here is my panel with the Garmin 396. It takes up little space.

                                       Dick Maddux

                                       Pensacola,Fl



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Float Flyr

Joined: 19 Jul 2006
Posts: 2704
Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland

Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 5:05 am Post subject: gps

Guy:   

Making it up as you go along is just what you should do...  It will give you a panel you will be most comfortable with.    

   

I have noticed in a lot of certified planes they have the primary flight instruments right in front of the pilot, a centre panel section for avionics as most avionics come in a more or less standard width tray and finally the engine instruments on the right.  Some guys consider a tachometer to be more or less primary so it will be on the left panel too.  

   

Have fun!  

   

   

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Noel Loveys  

Campbellton, NL, Canada  

CDN AME intern, PP-Rec  

C-FINB, Kitfox III-A  

Aerocet 1100 floats  

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icubob(at)newnorth.net
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 7:21 am Post subject: gps

hi guy, i made my panel in sections and when i started to design i had 

planned to hinge the sections along the bottom so the panel would ''flip 

out''. after some designing the tail started wagging the dog in that the 

hinge set up was creating most of the problems. if the top row of 

instruments are deep, they require a lot of clearance built in for the panel 

to flip out. i also ran into clearance problems with the panel after it 

tilted into cabin space. that panel really had to flip out past 90 deg. to 

get at an instrument along the bottom. finally i gave up the idea of having 

a hinge and put a few screws along the bottom of the panel section. that 

made everything 10 times easier to design. the sections pull straight out as 

needed and that works very well.

  you just have to see what works and fits in your layout

                                                            bob noffs



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Michel

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 966
Location: Norway

Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 9:18 am Post subject: gps

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		   From: wingnut [wingnut(at)spamarrest.com]

 Here in the states, there are other more cost effective PDA solutions.


	


That is true, Luis. When, for one and half year ago, the USGS decided to stop publishing the DAFIF database, it kept it for the US. I am not complaining, we have for many years used what has been paid by the US taxpayers (and we still do it with the GPS system) but for non-US countries, the only alternative now is to get the data from Jeppesen ... or someone else who has the courage to gather manually all the data.



Cheers,

Michel Verheughe

Norway

Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200



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n85ae

Joined: 14 Mar 2007
Posts: 403

Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 12:39 pm Post subject: Re: gps

I had a GPS revelation recently. My plane has a Panel Mounted Garmin 

GNC-250XL. For years I've been flying it, and mostly just hitting the

"Direct To" button.



Well finally I yanked it out of the plane, took it home, found a power

adapter (it has a jack for external power) and ran it in simulator mode

on my desk every day for a week at work. I figured out how to use

every single function it has, and made a determined effort to get

proficient with it. Something I could NEVER do in the air.



Well that GPS can do a LOT. However had I not spent a bunch of time

learning to use it, I would probably have just kept on using "Direct To"

mode.



The Moral of the Story - Whatever GPS you have, use it a lot out of

the plane so you can learn how to use it in the plane. 



I also talked to tech support at Garmin - "Why do data updates for my 

panel mount cost so much more than for the handhelds?" Answer

Garmin panel mounted GPS's get certificated data, Garmin handhelds 

do not.



Regards,

Jeff

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