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BobsV35B(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 3:05 pm Post subject: Getting Off Topic, Was: Schematic Review

Good Afternoon Scott,

  

 I keep seeing reference to Light IFR and an occasional reference to heavy  IFR.

  

 Would you mind telling me what you consider to be light IFR? 

  

 If you were on top of coastal fog with a two hundred foot ceiling below,  would a full ILS to a fully approach lit runway be light or heavy IFR?

  

 Or,  if you are enroute, constantly in cloud, but with ceilings along  your route and at destination well above one thousand and three, would that be  light IFR?

  

 I have a hard time discerning just what is meant by light IFR.

  

 Happy  Skies,



Old Bob

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Bob Siegfried

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Downers Grove, IL 60516

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Stearman  N3977A

Brookeridge Air Park LL22

  

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		  I am building an RV-7A.  The panel will be all electric    and set-up for light IFR.   	




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Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 3:30 pm Post subject: Getting Off Topic, Was: Schematic Review

hi bob,

  light ifr is if i am right seat with a very competent and proficient  ifr pilot. hard ifr is if i am solo!

                                    bob noffs

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Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 3:40 pm Post subject: Getting Off Topic, Was: Schematic Review

I Like It!  l Like It!! <G>

  

 Happy  Skies,



Old Bob

AKA

Bob Siegfried

Ancient Aviator

628 West  86th Street

Downers Grove, IL 60516

630 985-8502 

Stearman  N3977A

Brookeridge Air Park LL22

  

  In a message dated 5/17/2008 6:32:48 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  icubob(at)newnorth.net writes:

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		     hi bob,

    light ifr is if i am right seat with a very competent and    proficient ifr pilot. hard ifr is if i am solo!

                                        bob noffs

	






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sgfreeman(at)smyth.net
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Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 6:37 pm Post subject: Getting Off Topic, Was: Schematic Review

Bob,

 Sorry for the "light IFR" nomenclature.  I knew after I sent it that  it would probably raise some eyebrows.  To me it means it means I have some  personal limits that I want to stay within for single pilot IFR.  

 Rule 1: Never fly on purpose into sustained IMC conditions  

 Rule 2: Use IFR as a means to get on top only if the layer is less than  2000 ft thick.  If it is more than 2000' thick, stay home.

 Rule 3: When ever possible, use IFR flight plans to work on flying  skills and to have constant contact with ATC

 Rule 4: Use IFR to get down through a layer for an approach to an airport  with ceilings at least 300 ft. above minimums.  If ceilings are less than  300 above, try to find another airport that meets that criteria even if you miss  getting home when you wanted.

 Rule 5: Never, Never, Never fly when the slightest possibility of  icing conditions or sustained IMC conditions are forecast for any part  of your route

 Rule 6: Practice VFR navigation, including pilotage and dead reckoning on a  regular basis to keep well rounded

 Rule 7: Plan on sleeping on some airport couches once in a while

 Rule 8: Since we are human and things don't always go as we expect,  practice, practice, and practice so if unfortunate and  unforseen circumstances lead to one of the rules being violated, you  can survive and come home to your family in one piece

  

 To me it boils down to the old saying: It is better to be on the ground  wishing you were in the air than in the air wishing your were on the  ground.

  

 Scott

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simon(at)synchronousdesig
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Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 7:38 pm Post subject: Getting Off Topic, Was: Schematic Review

Scott, your version of “light IFR” sounds like non-commercial flying to me.  I think it’s wise for us guys that don’t fly in IMC too much to want to fly only in light IMC.  Those are good rules, and the goods don’t have to be there by a certain time.    

   

Simon   

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From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Freeman

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Bob,  

    

Sorry for the "light IFR" nomenclature.  I knew after I sent it that it would probably raise some eyebrows.  To me it means it means I have some personal limits that I want to stay within for single pilot IFR.    

    

Rule 1: Never fly on purpose into sustained IMC conditions   

    

Rule 2: Use IFR as a means to get on top only if the layer is less than 2000 ft thick.  If it is more than 2000' thick, stay home.  

    

Rule 3: When ever possible, use IFR flight plans to work on flying skills and to have constant contact with ATC  

    

Rule 4: Use IFR to get down through a layer for an approach to an airport with ceilings at least 300 ft. above minimums.  If ceilings are less than 300 above, try to find another airport that meets that criteria even if you miss getting home when you wanted.  

    

Rule 5: Never, Never, Never fly when the slightest possibility of icing conditions or sustained IMC conditions are forecast for any part of your route  

    

Rule 6: Practice VFR navigation, including pilotage and dead reckoning on a regular basis to keep well rounded  

    

Rule 7: Plan on sleeping on some airport couches once in a while  

    

Rule 8: Since we are human and things don't always go as we expect, practice, practice, and practice so if unfortunate and unforseen circumstances lead to one of the rules being violated, you can survive and come home to your family in one piece  

    

   

    

To me it boils down to the old saying: It is better to be on the ground wishing you were in the air than in the air wishing your were on the ground.  

    

   

    

Scott  

  

   

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romott(at)mi-connection.c
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Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 7:57 am Post subject: Getting Off Topic, Was: Schematic Review

Scott,

  

 An excellent set of rules for Light IFR for the  recreational (non-commercial) flyer!  

  

 I have been flying my Velocity for the past 5 years  with very much the same rules.  It has allowed me to get out before the low  level fog burns off, out of Hilton Head and Florida before the marine layer  burns off, and into airports that have a broken or solid layer above them but a  1500 - 2000' ceiling.  

  

 I also flew single pilot IFR to Oshkosh in between  layers at 8000' but with plenty of good ceilings below the underlying  layer.

  

 It gives me tremendous flexibility that I didn't  have when I was trying to scud run and didn't have my instrument rating -  downright dangerous!!!!

  

 Getting your instrument rating and using your  "Light IFR Rules" is VERY HIGHLY RECOMMENDED if you are going to be flying much  cross country. 

  

 Ronnie Brown 

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