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jdm(at)wideworld.net
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 Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 10:01 am Post subject: Mode C Veil Answer |
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A while ago I asked the question about entering the Mode C veil with an
utralight. I posted the question to the FAA and here is their response.
My Question:
I operate an ultralight "vehicle" under part 103. I have no certified
electrical system. I do not have a transponder with Mode C and altitude
encoding. I do however, have a battery, an electric starter, and a radio.
My question is can I pass through the mode C 30 nm veil in my "vehicle"
without notifying ATC or asking their permission? I realize that I cannot
enter the class B airspace in my "vehicle". My question relates the area
between the outermost blue circle of the class B airspace and the 30nm mode
C veil only. Thank you in advance for your response.
Response:
Dear Mr. Murr:
First, please accept our apologies on the lateness of this response -- we
understand that it is terrible overdue.
I hope that this answer will still be able to help you.
A pilot can not do this without approval of the affected AT manager('s)
Please visit this web page for more information:
http://www.faa.gov/ATPubs/FAC/Ch5/s0504.html
If you need any other assistance, please do not hesitate to write back.
Thank you, and again our apologies for the lateness.
Looks to me that they need to be notified and permision granted prior to
entering the mode C veil.
John Murr
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rlaird
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| Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 10:52 am Post subject: Mode C Veil Answer |
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Well, this proves that the FAA doesn't even read their own regulations. The
reference he used is for only two situations:
a. Operations at and above 10,000 feet MSL and below the floor of Class A
airspace.
b. Operations within a Mode C veil and within and above Class C airspace up
to 10,000 feet MSL
Neither one of those applies to someone who is flying within the Mode C veil
but not meeting either of those two critieria.
Believe me, more than once I've had to correct an FAA type, to his face,
because they simply don't know the ultralight regs.
(When I went in and asked for a Student Sport Pilot license, I got a "deer
in the headlights" look, and he asked, "What is that?" I had to lead him
through the whole thing.)
-- Robert
On 2/28/06, John Murr <jdm(at)wideworld.net> wrote:
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A while ago I asked the question about entering the Mode C veil with an
utralight. I posted the question to the FAA and here is their response.
My Question:
I operate an ultralight "vehicle" under part 103. I have no certified
electrical system. I do not have a transponder with Mode C and altitude
encoding. I do however, have a battery, an electric starter, and a radio.
My question is can I pass through the mode C 30 nm veil in my "vehicle"
without notifying ATC or asking their permission? I realize that I cannot
enter the class B airspace in my "vehicle". My question relates the area
between the outermost blue circle of the class B airspace and the 30nm
mode
C veil only. Thank you in advance for your response.
Response:
Dear Mr. Murr:
First, please accept our apologies on the lateness of this response -- we
understand that it is terrible overdue.
I hope that this answer will still be able to help you.
A pilot can not do this without approval of the affected AT manager('s)
Please visit this web page for more information:
http://www.faa.gov/ATPubs/FAC/Ch5/s0504.html
If you need any other assistance, please do not hesitate to write back.
Thank you, and again our apologies for the lateness.
Looks to me that they need to be notified and permision granted prior to
entering the mode C veil.
John Murr
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Robert Laird
formerly: MkIIIc w/ 912ULS & Gyrobee
current: Autogyro Cavalon w/ 914ULS
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planecrazzzy
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| Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:05 pm Post subject: Re: Mode C Veil Answer |
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The "KEY" in your post....."Electric Start".....Mode C needs Transponder.
unless you get permission from who ever you said (every time)
You'll find ultralight fields, on the charts, UNDER Class B even.....They are allowed to be there because they DON"T have Electric Start....
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN N381PM / NARCO AT155 Transponder w/AR850 ALT Encoder
also AK-450 ELT.....( GLP Electric Start )
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