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 Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:57 pm Post subject: Exhaust fitting problem |
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G'day all,
After 4.25 years of building and having everything fit beautifully, I finally get to the very last set of plans (FF-6 Exhaust installation). Install the right side first, still amazed at how everything 'just fits'. Finished the routing of the alternator and starter wires and pulled out the last piece of the kit that was left - the left hand exhaust manifold.
There is no way that this puppy will fit. The riser for #2 cylinder seems to have been welded incorrectly and there is nowhere near enough adjustment to have the stack fit the exhaust ports.
Has anyone else experienced this or am I SOL, right at the finish line??
Thanks in advance for any responses - no 'cheers' today ;-<
Ron
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robin1(at)mrmoisture.com
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:17 pm Post subject: Exhaust fitting problem |
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Ron,
Looks like you have two issues, one your exhaust does no fit and two… you think you are at the finish line.
Just pulling your leg mate. Good luck,
Robin
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:54 PM
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Subject: Exhaust fitting problem
G'day all,
After 4.25 years of building and having everything fit beautifully, I finally get to the very last set of plans (FF-6 Exhaust installation). Install the right side first, still amazed at how everything 'just fits'. Finished the routing of the alternator and starter wires and pulled out the last piece of the kit that was left - the left hand exhaust manifold.
There is no way that this puppy will fit. The riser for #2 cylinder seems to have been welded incorrectly and there is nowhere near enough adjustment to have the stack fit the exhaust ports.
Has anyone else experienced this or am I SOL, right at the finish line??
Thanks in advance for any responses - no 'cheers' today ;-<
Ron
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 2:55 am Post subject: Exhaust fitting problem |
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Ron,
I'd say if you've spent a couple hours on it and you haven't had
luck, and you actually think you see something that doesn't look
correct, I'd just call and ask for a new exhaust manifold.
I know, you're far away, so that's a pain, but I'm sure you
can get satisfaction on the parts....even if you have to send
the old one back to the place that makes them.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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McGANN, Ron wrote:
| Quote: | G'day all,
After 4.25 years of building and having everything fit beautifully, I
finally get to the very last set of plans (FF-6 Exhaust installation).
Install the right side first, still amazed at how everything 'just
fits'. Finished the routing of the alternator and starter wires and
pulled out the last piece of the kit that was left - the left hand
exhaust manifold.
There is no way that this puppy will fit. The riser for #2 cylinder
seems to have been welded incorrectly and there is nowhere near enough
adjustment to have the stack fit the exhaust ports.
Has anyone else experienced this or am I SOL, right at the finish line??
Thanks in advance for any responses - no 'cheers' today ;-<
Ron
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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 4:06 am Post subject: Exhaust fitting problem |
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Can you take a picture holding it up to the engine so we can see any possible differences between it and ours? That may help somebody actually see by comparison where it seems wrong. I'm pretty sure Vetterman mounts them to an engine for welding, but can't say for sure.
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On Jun 4, 2008, at 12:54 AM, McGANN, Ron wrote:
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G'day all,
After 4.25 years of building and having everything fit beautifully, I finally get to the very last set of plans (FF-6 Exhaust installation). Install the right side first, still amazed at how everything 'just fits'. Finished the routing of the alternator and starter wires and pulled out the last piece of the kit that was left - the left hand exhaust manifold.
There is no way that this puppy will fit. The riser for #2 cylinder seems to have been welded incorrectly and there is nowhere near enough adjustment to have the stack fit the exhaust ports.
Has anyone else experienced this or am I SOL, right at the finish line??
Thanks in advance for any responses - no 'cheers' today ;-<
Ron
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dlm46007(at)cox.net
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 4:44 am Post subject: Exhaust fitting problem |
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Welding , although an important skill, is not rocket science. If you are convinced of a mistake was made your best bet is to have it corrected locally. IIRC there was a mistake in mine and I noticed it well before the end game. The welding contractor repaired the product but lost my address. One day when wondering why it never returned I called them and gave them my info again. Given your distance I suggest you have an aircraft certified welder do it there. I would expect that Vans or Aircraft Exhaust Technologies would provide compensation. Just send them a good digital picture of the problem.
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:54 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Exhaust fitting problem
G'day all,
After 4.25 years of building and having everything fit beautifully, I finally get to the very last set of plans (FF-6 Exhaust installation). Install the right side first, still amazed at how everything 'just fits'. Finished the routing of the alternator and starter wires and pulled out the last piece of the kit that was left - the left hand exhaust manifold.
There is no way that this puppy will fit. The riser for #2 cylinder seems to have been welded incorrectly and there is nowhere near enough adjustment to have the stack fit the exhaust ports.
Has anyone else experienced this or am I SOL, right at the finish line??
Thanks in advance for any responses - no 'cheers' today ;-<
Ron
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Jim Berry
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:05 am Post subject: Re: Exhaust fitting problem |
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Ron,
I just did this step a couple of months ago, and at first I could not see any way it was going to fit. By leaving the exhaust stud nuts very loose I was able to get an approximate fit of the pipes into the collector. Snugged down the nuts a little at a time, and it all came together. If yours doesn't work that way I would ask Van's for a new one, as Tim suggested.
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ron.mcgann(at)baesystems.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 3:02 pm Post subject: Exhaust fitting problem |
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Hi Guys,
I received a response from Larry Vetterman overnight as follows:
"Ron, this system was built on a Lycoming so it will fit and in fact it
was placed on the engine to check for final fit. I do believe that you
have got the pipes out of alignment by moving the ball joints which is
forward and rear movement and then sideways also which can be checked by
alignment or mis alignment of the connecting links on pipes 2 and 6 and
also on the collector. Start over by mounting each individual pipe with
out the collector and align #2 and #6 with #4 . #4 is the only ridgid
pipe so align to it. when they all line up you can loosen the nuts on
the flanges and slide the collector part way on. then align the
connecting links if need. Try this as the pipes do not need trimmed
the #4 gives your forward and rear placement. Larry"
I checked my manifold last night before I received Larry's email and it
appears he is spot on the money. The ball joint (or slip joint) on the
#2 (ie forward) riser was jammed and out of position - I would have
sworn that it was welded in place and not meant to move. After much
huffing and puffing and a considerable amount of lubricant/penetrant
(gotta get some 'Mouse Milk'), the joint finally loosened. I haven't
tried to re-instal yet, but it looks like that was the problem.
So for those yet to get to this point, the pipe joints that look like
they should move really do move, and may need to be lubricated. The key
to correct alignment is the middle riser (#4). I would have loved to
have seen Larry's response before I started the installation - would
have saved some grief so present it here for the archives.
So it looks like I now only have one issue - thinking that I am at the
finish line (thanks heaps Robin!!)
Cheers,
Ron
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bldanrv9a(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 10:10 pm Post subject: Exhaust fitting problem |
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Is it a Vetterman system? I've been to his shop numerous times and he welds each system mounted directly to the engine model system is to be mounted on. I'm not sure what the problem might be, It's been too long since we mounted ours, but I'd be shocked if the system doesn't fit. If you don't get it figured out let me know and I can contact Larry for a solution.
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Subject: Exhaust fitting problem
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Tuesday, June 3, 2008, 11:54 PM
G'day all,
After 4.25 years of building and having everything fit
beautifully, I
finally get to the very last set of plans (FF-6 Exhaust
installation).
Install the right side first, still amazed at how
everything 'just
fits'. Finished the routing of the alternator and
starter wires and
pulled out the last piece of the kit that was left - the
left hand
exhaust manifold.
There is no way that this puppy will fit. The riser for #2
cylinder
seems to have been welded incorrectly and there is nowhere
near enough
adjustment to have the stack fit the exhaust ports.
Has anyone else experienced this or am I SOL, right at the
finish line??
Thanks in advance for any responses - no 'cheers'
today ;-<
Ron
187 hobbled at the end
"Warning:
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files is
confidential to BAE Systems Australia. If you are not the
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taken to ensure this email and its attachments are virus
free,
however, any loss or damage incurred in using this email is
not the
sender's responsibility. It is your responsibility to
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checks are completed before installing any data sent in
this email to
your computer."
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