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Lynn Matteson
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After 7 weeks on the "disabled list" I fired up my rebuilt Jabiru
2200 this evening...and it sounded great. I cranked it for a few
seconds with ignition off, just to be sure that it would NOT start.
Then I switched the "mags" on and fired her up...what a sweet sound
after so long silent. The new ignition system worked flawlessly, and
a mag check showed the normal very little drop between the two
systems. This is the Electroair ignition system that I'm speaking of,
and uses two magnetic sensors aimed at the crankshaft trigger wheel.
So far I'm thrilled with the new system, and with (patting myself on
the back) the way the engine now runs. I'm not saying that it's any
better than the stock Jabiru ignition system, but a few hours from
now when I would normally have to check my rotors...what rotors?
That's a small issue to be sure, but hopefully I'll have piece of
mind with the new rebuild and the new ignition system.
Test flight comes tomorrow morning.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs...engine assembled and back in the plane; ready
to fly
Status: "Condition grounded (not for long, I hope), but determined to
try." (Pink Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
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Lynn, I've been running the Electroair on my KIS with the Lyc O320 engine
for several years now. I still have one original mag on one side and the
electronic on the other. The Electronic will show up to 40 deg when I am
at high altitudes and running with the throttle pulled back. Mine is the
Jeff Rose version and I haven't seen the newer ones since Jeff sold the
company.
Rob
Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt(at)jps.net> wrote:
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After 7 weeks on the "disabled list" I fired up my rebuilt Jabiru
2200 this evening...and it sounded great. I cranked it for a few
seconds with ignition off, just to be sure that it would NOT start.
Then I switched the "mags" on and fired her up...what a sweet sound
after so long silent. The new ignition system worked flawlessly, and
a mag check showed the normal very little drop between the two
systems. This is the Electroair ignition system that I'm speaking of,
and uses two magnetic sensors aimed at the crankshaft trigger wheel.
So far I'm thrilled with the new system, and with (patting myself on
the back) the way the engine now runs. I'm not saying that it's any
better than the stock Jabiru ignition system, but a few hours from
now when I would normally have to check my rotors...what rotors?
That's a small issue to be sure, but hopefully I'll have piece of
mind with the new rebuild and the new ignition system.
Test flight comes tomorrow morning.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs...engine assembled and back in the plane; ready
to fly
Status: "Condition grounded (not for long, I hope), but determined to
try." (Pink Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
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Lynn Matteson
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan
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| Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:39 pm Post subject: It runs! |
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Jeff is still involved, at least as far as my installation is
concerned. It sounds like he built the trigger wheel for mine, and
Michael said he would "become involved" with my project.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs...engine assembled and back in the plane; ready
to fly
Status: "Condition grounded (not for long, I hope), but determined to
try." (Pink Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
On Sep 24, 2008, at 11:06 AM, Rob wrote:
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<punchy(at)frontiernet.net>
Lynn, I've been running the Electroair on my KIS with the Lyc O320
engine
for several years now. I still have one original mag on one side
and the
electronic on the other. The Electronic will show up to 40 deg
when I am
at high altitudes and running with the throttle pulled back. Mine
is the
Jeff Rose version and I haven't seen the newer ones since Jeff sold
the
company.
Rob
Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt(at)jps.net> wrote:
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>
> <lynnmatt(at)jps.net>
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> After 7 weeks on the "disabled list" I fired up my rebuilt Jabiru
> 2200 this evening...and it sounded great. I cranked it for a few
> seconds with ignition off, just to be sure that it would NOT start.
> Then I switched the "mags" on and fired her up...what a sweet sound
> after so long silent. The new ignition system worked flawlessly, and
> a mag check showed the normal very little drop between the two
> systems. This is the Electroair ignition system that I'm speaking of,
> and uses two magnetic sensors aimed at the crankshaft trigger wheel.
> So far I'm thrilled with the new system, and with (patting myself on
> the back) the way the engine now runs. I'm not saying that it's any
> better than the stock Jabiru ignition system, but a few hours from
> now when I would normally have to check my rotors...what rotors?
> That's a small issue to be sure, but hopefully I'll have piece of
> mind with the new rebuild and the new ignition system.
>
> Test flight comes tomorrow morning.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster
> Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs...engine assembled and back in the plane; ready
> to fly
> Status: "Condition grounded (not for long, I hope), but determined to
> try." (Pink Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
>
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punchy(at)frontiernet.net
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| Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:27 pm Post subject: It runs! |
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Yes Jeff and I discussed using my Jabiru as a test bed for his design for
the Jab engine. This was at least 4-5 years ago. He had talked to Jab in
Australia but they weren't interested in helping him so without an actual
Jabiru engine to test it on he was at a stand still. I never got around to
trying it for him and assumed that it was not taken up by the new owners.
He is a really good guy to work with and I was sad to hear that he had
sold.
Rob
Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt(at)jps.net> wrote:
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Jeff is still involved, at least as far as my installation is
concerned. It sounds like he built the trigger wheel for mine, and
Michael said he would "become involved" with my project.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs...engine assembled and back in the plane; ready
to fly
Status: "Condition grounded (not for long, I hope), but determined to
try." (Pink Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
On Sep 24, 2008, at 11:06 AM, Rob wrote:
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> <punchy(at)frontiernet.net>
>
> Lynn, I've been running the Electroair on my KIS with the Lyc O320
> engine
> for several years now. I still have one original mag on one side
> and the
> electronic on the other. The Electronic will show up to 40 deg
> when I am
> at high altitudes and running with the throttle pulled back. Mine
> is the
> Jeff Rose version and I haven't seen the newer ones since Jeff sold
> the
> company.
>
> Rob
> Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt(at)jps.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> <lynnmatt(at)jps.net>
>>
>> After 7 weeks on the "disabled list" I fired up my rebuilt Jabiru
>> 2200 this evening...and it sounded great. I cranked it for a few
>> seconds with ignition off, just to be sure that it would NOT start.
>> Then I switched the "mags" on and fired her up...what a sweet sound
>> after so long silent. The new ignition system worked flawlessly, and
>> a mag check showed the normal very little drop between the two
>> systems. This is the Electroair ignition system that I'm speaking of,
>> and uses two magnetic sensors aimed at the crankshaft trigger wheel.
>> So far I'm thrilled with the new system, and with (patting myself on
>> the back) the way the engine now runs. I'm not saying that it's any
>> better than the stock Jabiru ignition system, but a few hours from
>> now when I would normally have to check my rotors...what rotors?
>> That's a small issue to be sure, but hopefully I'll have piece of
>> mind with the new rebuild and the new ignition system.
>>
>> Test flight comes tomorrow morning.
>>
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Kitfox IV Speedster
>> Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs...engine assembled and back in the plane; ready
>> to fly
>> Status: "Condition grounded (not for long, I hope), but determined to
>> try." (Pink Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Peter H
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| Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 2:06 pm Post subject: It runs! |
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Lynn
I have used the flywheel magnets to trigger a simple electronic ignition
module which earths the Bosch coil but spark is distributed by the rotors.
It is working well and throws a fat spark on 1mm plug gap but there is no
feature to adjust timing.
Do you have adjustable timing with electroair?
Peter
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Lynn Matteson
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Location: Grass Lake, Michigan
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| Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 3:30 pm Post subject: It runs! |
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Michael, who I have dealt with is also a good guy to work with,
returns calls promptly (if indeed he is not right there to answer,
which in most cases he is), and knows the system inside and out, it
seems.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs...engine assembled and back in the plane; ready
to fly
Status: "Condition grounded (not for long, I hope), but determined to
try." (Pink Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
On Sep 24, 2008, at 5:27 PM, Rob wrote:
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<punchy(at)frontiernet.net>
Yes Jeff and I discussed using my Jabiru as a test bed for his
design for
the Jab engine. This was at least 4-5 years ago. He had talked to
Jab in
Australia but they weren't interested in helping him so without an
actual
Jabiru engine to test it on he was at a stand still. I never got
around to
trying it for him and assumed that it was not taken up by the new
owners.
He is a really good guy to work with and I was sad to hear that he had
sold.
Rob
Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt(at)jps.net> wrote:
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>
> <lynnmatt(at)jps.net>
>
> Jeff is still involved, at least as far as my installation is
> concerned. It sounds like he built the trigger wheel for mine, and
> Michael said he would "become involved" with my project.
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster
> Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs...engine assembled and back in the plane; ready
> to fly
> Status: "Condition grounded (not for long, I hope), but determined to
> try." (Pink Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
>
> On Sep 24, 2008, at 11:06 AM, Rob wrote:
>
>>
>> <punchy(at)frontiernet.net>
>>
>> Lynn, I've been running the Electroair on my KIS with the Lyc O320
>> engine
>> for several years now. I still have one original mag on one side
>> and the
>> electronic on the other. The Electronic will show up to 40 deg
>> when I am
>> at high altitudes and running with the throttle pulled back. Mine
>> is the
>> Jeff Rose version and I haven't seen the newer ones since Jeff sold
>> the
>> company.
>>
>> Rob
>>
>>
>> Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt(at)jps.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> <lynnmatt(at)jps.net>
>>>
>>> After 7 weeks on the "disabled list" I fired up my rebuilt Jabiru
>>> 2200 this evening...and it sounded great. I cranked it for a few
>>> seconds with ignition off, just to be sure that it would NOT start.
>>> Then I switched the "mags" on and fired her up...what a sweet sound
>>> after so long silent. The new ignition system worked flawlessly,
>>> and
>>> a mag check showed the normal very little drop between the two
>>> systems. This is the Electroair ignition system that I'm
>>> speaking of,
>>> and uses two magnetic sensors aimed at the crankshaft trigger
>>> wheel.
>>> So far I'm thrilled with the new system, and with (patting
>>> myself on
>>> the back) the way the engine now runs. I'm not saying that it's any
>>> better than the stock Jabiru ignition system, but a few hours from
>>> now when I would normally have to check my rotors...what rotors?
>>> That's a small issue to be sure, but hopefully I'll have piece of
>>> mind with the new rebuild and the new ignition system.
>>>
>>> Test flight comes tomorrow morning.
>>>
>>> Lynn Matteson
>>> Kitfox IV Speedster
>>> Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs...engine assembled and back in the plane;
>>> ready
>>> to fly
>>> Status: "Condition grounded (not for long, I hope), but
>>> determined to
>>> try." (Pink Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Lynn Matteson
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Location: Grass Lake, Michigan
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| Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 3:35 pm Post subject: It runs! |
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Apparently they have automatic timing from zero degrees BTC, to 7
BTC, to the factory (Electroair factory) set 25 degrees BTC. And one
of my units is mechanically set to 30 BTC, then delayed 30° by a
jumper wire, so that in effect both units fire at the same time. This
is necessary because of the proximity of the two magnetic sensors,
which are 30° apart.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs...engine assembled and back in the plane; ready
to fly
Status: "Condition grounded (not for long, I hope), but determined to
try." (Pink Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
On Sep 24, 2008, at 6:05 PM, Peter Harris wrote:
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<peterjfharris(at)bigpond.com>
Lynn
I have used the flywheel magnets to trigger a simple electronic
ignition
module which earths the Bosch coil but spark is distributed by the
rotors.
It is working well and throws a fat spark on 1mm plug gap but there
is no
feature to adjust timing.
Do you have adjustable timing with electroair?
Peter
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Peter H
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| Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 4:05 pm Post subject: It runs! |
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Lynn,
When the battery is down a little my flywheel triggered unit tends to kick
back as the electronic ignition will fire at hand prop speed. Your jumper
retard wire would be a definite advantage for starting and also for slow
idle.
I would retain one magneto and fit one electroair.
Peter
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Lynn Matteson
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 8:02 am Post subject: It runs! |
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The way I understand it, the jumper retard wire is there to provide
30° retard for that controller, because the sensor associated with
that controller is mechanically advanced 30°.
Too late for retaining the one Jabiru mag, as I've removed the
associated gears and shafts, and covered the holes. Not too late
**forever**, it would just involve removing the rear gear case cover
and reinstalling one gear and shaft, cap and rotor, but then I'd have
to eat crow, and that stuff doesn't taste too good...I've done that
before. : ) But certainly I'd do that before I'd be stubborn enough
to insist on NOT doing it.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs...engine assembled and back in the plane; 3 test
flights today...more to come after some work is done.
On Sep 24, 2008, at 8:04 PM, Peter Harris wrote:
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<peterjfharris(at)bigpond.com>
Lynn,
When the battery is down a little my flywheel triggered unit tends
to kick
back as the electronic ignition will fire at hand prop speed. Your
jumper
retard wire would be a definite advantage for starting and also for
slow
idle.
I would retain one magneto and fit one electroair.
Peter
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