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rsrandazzo(at)precisionma
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 Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:31 pm Post subject: Deice on that commander? |
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One of the photographs on Pete’s nice upload of photographs shows what appears to be either TKS or electrically heated deice on the airplane?
Can any of you who were there elaborate on what type of de-ice was on that airplane?
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C
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jtaddington(at)verizon.ne
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 5:26 pm Post subject: Deice on that commander? |
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If it was the one I am thinking about, it was John Towner’s system and seems to work well.
Jim Addington
N444BD 500A
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S. Randazzo
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Subject: Deice on that commander?
Commanders-
One of the photographs on Pete’s nice upload of photographs shows what appears to be either TKS or electrically heated deice on the airplane?
Can any of you who were there elaborate on what type of de-ice was on that airplane?
Robert S. Randazzo
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rsrandazzo(at)precisionma
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 5:53 pm Post subject: Deice on that commander? |
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Jim-
What was it? Electric? Weeping? Magic?
Looks like it is lighter than pneumatic boots… I’m always looking for weight savings. J
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C (with big black boots)
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 1:00 AM
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Subject: RE: Deice on that commander?
If it was the one I am thinking about, it was John Towner’s system and seems to work well.
Jim Addington
N444BD 500A
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S. Randazzo
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 6:23 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Deice on that commander?
Commanders-
One of the photographs on Pete’s nice upload of photographs shows what appears to be either TKS or electrically heated deice on the airplane?
Can any of you who were there elaborate on what type of de-ice was on that airplane?
Robert S. Randazzo
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dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 6:22 pm Post subject: Deice on that commander? |
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TKS
I looked into it last year through Jon Towner and the cost was $35K for the unit and app. 200 hours to install. The unit comes from England and I am sure the price has changed due to the exchange rate.
I seriously considered it based on keeping the plane for 10 years and the benefits but due to changing flying missions (all personal flying) and the loss of a local mechanic I have placed my 500S with Aircenter for sale.
Don Falik
1970 500S
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jtaddington(at)verizon.ne
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 6:42 pm Post subject: Deice on that commander? |
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I am not sure. John Towner has the STC and I believe installs them. It was his idea for his freight aircraft. It seems to work better than boots from what I heard. I noticed it had very tiny holes and it is made out of titanium. It is definitely not boots though. Call John, he is a teriffic person and will give you all the answers.
Jim
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Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 8:50 PM
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Subject: RE: Deice on that commander?
Jim-
What was it? Electric? Weeping? Magic?
Looks like it is lighter than pneumatic boots… I’m always looking for weight savings. J
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C (with big black boots)
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 1:00 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Deice on that commander?
If it was the one I am thinking about, it was John Towner’s system and seems to work well.
Jim Addington
N444BD 500A
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S. Randazzo
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 6:23 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Deice on that commander?
Commanders-
One of the photographs on Pete’s nice upload of photographs shows what appears to be either TKS or electrically heated deice on the airplane?
Can any of you who were there elaborate on what type of de-ice was on that airplane?
Robert S. Randazzo
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jtaddington(at)verizon.ne
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 7:00 pm Post subject: Deice on that commander? |
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I hate to hear you have it for sale, they are such nice planes, but do understand.
Jim
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Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 9:18 PM
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Subject: RE: Deice on that commander?
TKS
I looked into it last year through Jon Towner and the cost was $35K for the unit and app. 200 hours to install. The unit comes from England and I am sure the price has changed due to the exchange rate.
I seriously considered it based on keeping the plane for 10 years and the benefits but due to changing flying missions (all personal flying) and the loss of a local mechanic I have placed my 500S with Aircenter for sale.
Don Falik
1970 500S
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Peter Bichier
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 7:39 pm Post subject: Deice on that commander? |
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John Bosch from Commander Aero Inc. gave us a talk on some of their modifications. He gave us a pamphlet, but I also have downloaded a PDF from his web page that talks about it (Page eight).
http://www.commander-aero.com/
the pdf is: N741CA+Refurbishment12/5/7.pdf
it's too big for me to attach it here, but if you are interested I'll send it to you directly to your email.
Let me know.
Also John Towner gave us a handout where he mentions a TKS System among Central Air's special Commander maintenance items and STCs (it's short so I'll type it for you here):
TKS System (wing, tail, prop, and windshield anti-icing system)
In 1993-94 we certified the Commander model 500B, 500U, and 500S using the TKS system for "flight into known ice" per FAA regulations. We own the STC (supplemental type certificate) for this installation. The parts of the system are made in England and the lead time can be 6 to 8 months for a kit. We are planning to put a spare kit on our shelf. The worst ice I have ever flown in was not forecast and there is an old joke "if the TKS system only saves your life once it was worth it"
I understand that you have a 685, but he might have suggestions, since I think you were referring to either his plane or Bosch's.
[quote="rsrandazzo(at)precisionma"]Commanders-
One of the photographs on Pete’s nice upload of photographs shows what appears to be either TKS or electrically heated deice on the airplane?
Can any of you who were there elaborate on what type of de-ice was on that airplane?
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C
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jtaddington(at)verizon.ne
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 7:41 pm Post subject: Deice on that commander? |
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I forgot to tell you $35,000 is what I paid for my whole plane.
Jim
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 4:33 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Deice on that commander?
I hate to hear you have it for sale, they are such nice planes, but do understand.
Jim
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 9:18 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Deice on that commander?
TKS
I looked into it last year through Jon Towner and the cost was $35K for the unit and app. 200 hours to install. The unit comes from England and I am sure the price has changed due to the exchange rate.
I seriously considered it based on keeping the plane for 10 years and the benefits but due to changing flying missions (all personal flying) and the loss of a local mechanic I have placed my 500S with Aircenter for sale.
Don Falik
1970 500S
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rsrandazzo(at)precisionma
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 8:09 pm Post subject: Deice on that commander? |
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Thanks, Peter!
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C
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Peter Bichier
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| Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 4:59 pm Post subject: Deice on that commander? |
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we all know that Sue is working on putting up some of the materials handed out on the Fly In on the next newsletter, but while I'm still savoring and reading those, I just scanned more info pertinent to the TKS.
It's again info from John Bosch's Commander Aero Inc.
A pdf should be attached here somewhere.
If you don't get it, just get back to me and I'll forward it to your mail directly.
p.
[quote="rsrandazzo(at)precisionma"]Commanders-
One of the photographs on Pete’s nice upload of photographs shows what appears to be either TKS or electrically heated deice on the airplane?
Can any of you who were there elaborate on what type of de-ice was on that airplane?
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C
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