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aerobubba(at)earthlink.ne
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:43 am Post subject: Duracell Leaking Batteries

Ironically, I had cause to pull one of Eric's zippy LED flashlights out of my flight bag early this AM only to find the AA Duracells had leaked in the body of the light.  Yeachh...



Glen Matejcek

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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 5:37 pm Post subject: Duracell Leaking Batteries

The reason I posted the question is I have experienced a number of 

them leaking in the last couple years, a large number of them in the 

last year whereas before they we rock solid.  What has changed, shift 

in the magnetic field, alignment of the planets, year 2012 

approaching.  Sorry I have to say I just become very disappointed in 

their product now.

jerb



At 02:41 PM 10/28/2008, you wrote:

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Ironically, I had cause to pull one of Eric's zippy LED flashlights 

out of my flight bag early this AM only to find the AA Duracells had 

leaked in the body of the light.  Yeachh...



Glen Matejcek

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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 6:12 pm Post subject: Duracell Leaking Batteries

My cheap boss bought a jumbo pack of Radio Shack Gold AA's. I loaded up my  brand new Dymo thermal label maker with 6 of them a week ago and used it a  little. Today, went to make a label and it was completely dead. Opened it up and  every single one of them had oozed slime in my new printer. Cleaned up good with  a toothbrush and some contact cleaner. Went and bought some USA mad Energiser  Brand. We will see how that works out. 

 Where are Duracells made, USA or China?

  

 Joe Motis 

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  In a message dated 10/28/2008 6:39:04 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  ulflyer(at)verizon.net writes:

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The reason I posted the question is I have    experienced a number of 

them leaking in the last couple years, a large    number of them in the 

last year whereas before they we rock solid.     What has changed, shift 

in the magnetic field, alignment of the planets,    year 2012 

approaching.  Sorry I have to say I just become very    disappointed in 

their product now.

jerb



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Ironically, I had cause    to pull one of Eric's zippy LED flashlights 

out of my flight bag early    this AM only to find the AA Duracells had 

leaked in the body of the    light.  Yeachh...



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nuckolls.bob(at)cox.net
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 3:30 am Post subject: Duracell Leaking Batteries

At 10:08 PM 10/28/2008 -0400, you wrote:

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		  My cheap boss bought a jumbo pack of Radio Shack Gold AA's. I loaded up my 

brand new Dymo thermal label maker with 6 of them a week ago and used it a 

little. Today, went to make a label and it was completely dead. Opened it 

up and every single one of them had oozed slime in my new printer. Cleaned 

up good with a toothbrush and some contact cleaner. Went and bought some 

USA mad Energiser Brand. We will see how that works out.

Where are Duracells made, USA or China?


	


   I've not had anyone's alkaline batteries leak on

   me in many years including Duracells. That's not

   to argue with anyone's experiences . . . only to

   add a data point. I'm not sure exactly what happens

   with chemistry internal to the cell but I seem to

   recall the evil stuff inside doesn't need to get

   out until the cell is depleted. This is why virtually

   every manufacturer recommends removal of cells

   when the device is store for long periods of time.



   We use a goodly number of cells per year and our

   time in the appliance is pretty short. I.e., cells

   with expiration dates way out in the future don't

   set around long in the appliance. I'll keep some

   used cells around next time I change them out . . .

   deplete them totally and see if they leak at some

   later time.



   In the mean time, Duracell offers to repair or

   replace a damaged appliance in their sales literature

   at:



http://www.duracell.com/procell/about/care.asp



   Now it may be that they could claim no fault if

   somehow their analysis says the cell was left

   installed long after it was depleted. I.e., flash

   lights, radios, etc inadvertently left on or

   perhaps the auto off feature isn't working, etc.



   Bob . . .

JOHN TIPTON

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Location: Torquay - England

Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 3:41 am Post subject: Duracell Leaking Batteries

What should one use to neutralize the 'leaked' gel/deposits



John

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n395v

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Posts: 450

Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:22 am Post subject: Re: Duracell Leaking Batteries

Duracells are manufactured in Lancaster SC and Cleveland Tennessee.



The Goo is comprised of  Sodium Hydroxide, Manganese dioxide, Mercury and a secret Brew inside a steel can. They will usually not leak until the Manganese dioxide shell is depleted then the steel can is oxidized by th "goo"

Duracell will replace any item that is damaged by a leaking battery.  For low dollar items it is no questions asked, for a big ticket item they will probably want to see the battery to make sure it isn't 20 years old.

Best thing to clean with is vinegar rinse with water.

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Milt

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Joined: 11 Apr 2006
Posts: 144
Location: Newberg, OR

Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 6:23 am Post subject: Duracell Leaking Batteries

John...



Sodium bicarbonate (baking soda)works well for acids.  Make a paste by mixing with water.  Apply to the area to be cleaned.  If there is acid present you will see the paste fizz on contact with the acid.  Rinse with water and dry with air or alcohol.



Chris



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Eric M. Jones

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 565
Location: Massachusetts

Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:00 am Post subject: Re: Duracell Leaking Batteries

Battery story--I posted some years ago my tale of using a 12V lantern battery drycell to power my Telex intercom. When I rented airplanes I would use it, since the small battery that came with the Telex was always going flat and the Cessnae I rented often had no cigar-lighter power.



The first big lantern battery died in just a couple hours. I assumed it had been used and returned to the store by a dishonest customer....But the replacement battery was SMOKING when I landed and was so hot I had to remove it from my flight bag by its attachment wires. I put in on the asphalt and it left a melted mark. How close to a disaster I was, I shall never know.



I assumed the internal cells had crushed from the change in altitude, but I left it in a metal trash can and never had it dissected.



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n395v

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 450

Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:48 am Post subject: Re: Duracell Leaking Batteries

 	  rv8iator wrote: 	
		  John...



Sodium bicarbonate (baking soda)works well for acids.  Make a paste by mixing with water.  Apply to the area to be cleaned.  If there is acid present you will see the paste fizz on contact with the acid.  Rinse with water and dry with air or alcohol.



Chris



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Alkaline batteries (Duracells) are a base (same as baking soda) only much stronger. As such a weak acid ie vinegar or lemon juice should be used for cleaning/neutralizing.

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Milt

nuckolls.bob(at)cox.net
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:18 am Post subject: Duracell Leaking Batteries

At 08:00 AM 10/29/2008 -0700, you wrote:

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Battery story--I posted some years ago my tale of using a 12V lantern 

battery drycell to power my Telex intercom. When I rented airplanes I 

would use it, since the small battery that came with the Telex was always 

going flat and the Cessnae I rented often had no cigar-lighter power.



The first big lantern battery died in just a couple hours. I assumed it 

had been used and returned to the store by a dishonest customer....But the 

replacement battery was SMOKING when I landed and was so hot I had to 

remove it from my flight bag by its attachment wires. I put in on the 

asphalt and it left a melted mark. How close to a disaster I was, I shall 

never know.



I assumed the internal cells had crushed from the change in altitude, but 

I left it in a metal trash can and never had it dissected.


	


   Interesting hypothesis. I have a small

   altitude chamber that fits into my temperature

   chamber to do temperature/altitude combination

   stress on small articles. Next time we get it

   out and set up, I'll do some bashing on AA and

   F-cells to see if I can precipitate a failure.



   Bob . . .

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BobsV35B(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:35 am Post subject: Duracell Leaking Batteries

Good Afternoon Bob,

  

 Just as a datapoint, I had a D sized DuraCell leak in a four cell Mag Lite.  I sent the unit to the company as directed by their website. They sent me a  check which covered the price of a new four cell MagLite and my shipping  expenses. I would still like it better if the cells never leaked, but the  warranty was honored. I do not have any idea whether or not the battery was  beyond it's 'use before' date as it was stuck so hard in the flashlight, that I  couldn't get it out!

  

 Happy  Skies



Old Bob

AKA

Bob Siegfried

Ancient Aviator

628 West 86th  Street

Downers Grove, IL 60516

630 985-8502 

Stearman  N3977A

Brookeridge Air Park LL22   

  In a message dated 10/29/2008 6:32:37 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  nuckolls.bob(at)cox.net writes:

  	  Quote: 	
		  Now it    may be that they could claim no fault if

   somehow their    analysis says the cell was left

   installed long after it was    depleted. I.e., flash

   lights, radios, etc inadvertently left    on or

   perhaps the auto off feature isn't working,    etc.



   Bob . .  .



	






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mcculleyja(at)starpower.n
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:52 am Post subject: Duracell Leaking Batteries

FWIW, today I found one unused Duracell MN1300 battery within a package 

of 12(with a "Guaranteed fresh through 2008" label) was leaking and 

showed 0.1 volt open circuit. The remaining other two in the package 

were clean and measured an open circuit voltage of 1.515. These are 

marked as manufactured in USA in 2001, Bethel, CT 06801.



The Guarantee on the package says "Should any device be damaged due to a 

battery defect, we will repair or replace it if sent with the batteries, 

postage paid to Duracell Consumer Dept" followed by the address in 

Bethel, CT.



Five years ago, I complied with the ACK Technologies Inc. Model E-01 ELT 

product warranty statement that use of any other batteries than DURACELL 

would VOID the WARRANTY and be in VIOLATION of the requirements of 

TSO-91a OR FAR 91.52.



On the first annual inspection thereafter there were two of the 

Duracells with significant leakage that had severly corroded the 

electrical contacts in the unit. These batteries were only one year into 

their multi-year life as printed on the batteries. ALL of the batteries 

in the ELT still measured above 1.5 volts open circuit and the ELT 

produced normal signal strength during the short-test performance check 

prior to finding the corrosion/leakage.



It appears that leakage/corrosion of DURACELLS can happen while never 

being removed from their original package during their Guaranteed-Fresh- 

Dated-Life, as well as when they are installed fresh from manufacture, 

in a device that essentially places no load on them throughout less than 

a year, after which they are still capable of the same "like-new" 

performance as the other cells in the same installation which did NOT 

leak.



Jim McCulley

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Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:

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 <nuckolls.bob(at)cox.net>

 

 At 10:08 PM 10/28/2008 -0400, you wrote:

 

> My cheap boss bought a jumbo pack of Radio Shack Gold AA's. I loaded 

> up my brand new Dymo thermal label maker with 6 of them a week ago and 

> used it a little. Today, went to make a label and it was completely 

> dead. Opened it up and every single one of them had oozed slime in my 

> new printer. Cleaned up good with a toothbrush and some contact 

> cleaner. Went and bought some USA mad Energiser Brand. We will see how 

> that works out.

> Where are Duracells made, USA or China?

 

 

   I've not had anyone's alkaline batteries leak on

   me in many years including Duracells. That's not

   to argue with anyone's experiences . . . only to

   add a data point. I'm not sure exactly what happens

   with chemistry internal to the cell but I seem to

   recall the evil stuff inside doesn't need to get

   out until the cell is depleted. This is why virtually

   every manufacturer recommends removal of cells

   when the device is store for long periods of time.

 

   We use a goodly number of cells per year and our

   time in the appliance is pretty short. I.e., cells

   with expiration dates way out in the future don't

   set around long in the appliance. I'll keep some

   used cells around next time I change them out . . .

   deplete them totally and see if they leak at some

   later time.

 

   In the mean time, Duracell offers to repair or

   replace a damaged appliance in their sales literature

   at:

 

 http://www.duracell.com/procell/about/care.asp

 

   Now it may be that they could claim no fault if

   somehow their analysis says the cell was left

   installed long after it was depleted. I.e., flash

   lights, radios, etc inadvertently left on or

   perhaps the auto off feature isn't working, etc.

 

   Bob . . .

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Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 258
Location: Toronto, ON

Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 6:06 pm Post subject: Duracell Leaking Batteries

Chris;

  

 You're correct that baking soda works for  neutralizing acids, but by definition an alkaline battery  is ALKALINE not acidic and therefore a weak acid is required to  neutralize it. (vinegar, lemon juice etc)

  

 Bob McC

  

  

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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 6:16 pm Post subject: Duracell Leaking Batteries

Milt;

  

 According to the current Duracell website all  mercury has been removed from their batteries and they are now safe to dispose  of in household garbage without the risk of environmental contamination. (So  they say !) Maybe the changes necessitated by the removal of the mercury is why  these leaks are starting to turn up?? Quite a few things these days have been  modified from their original composition to the detriment of function and for  betterment of the environment.

  

 Bob McC

  

  

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n395v

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Posts: 450

Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 6:29 pm Post subject: Re: Duracell Leaking Batteries

I am going to guess it is a QC problem in the factory.



I was an engineer for them in the mid 70s and we had a really tough time with new automated equipment in preventing "leakers". Problem was so bad at one plant we almost had to shut it down. They (Duracell/Mallory Battery) really took the problem of leaking batteries seriously. I am really shocked to read this thread.



As you say things change and not always for the better.

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Bruce(at)glasair.org
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 6:54 pm Post subject: Duracell Leaking Batteries

Yes,  including the glue that holds the foam on the external tank of the orbital space  shuttle.

  

  

  

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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:12 am Post subject: Duracell Leaking Batteries

I too had a Duracell leaker. One of the D cells in my ELT let the slime out.  The ELT worked, when tested. But the A&P on the field warned me to "look" at them during annual. The cells were three or four years from the expiration date. Had been in the ELT for two years. NOW I check them during every annual. Even checked them for voltage. No leaks, voltage above 1.5V per cell.Just one more data point.



 Kevin Boddicker

Tri Q 200 N7868B 111.5 hours

Luana, IA.

 



On Oct 29, 2008, at 1:30 PM, BobsV35B(at)aol.com (BobsV35B(at)aol.com) wrote:

[quote]  Good Afternoon Bob,

  

 Just as a datapoint, I had a D sized DuraCell leak in a four cell Mag Lite. I sent the unit to the company as directed by their website. They sent me a check which covered the price of a new four cell MagLite and my shipping expenses. I would still like it better if the cells never leaked, but the warranty was honored. I do not have any idea whether or not the battery was beyond it's 'use before' date as it was stuck so hard in the flashlight, that I couldn't get it out!

  

 Happy Skies



Old Bob

AKA

Bob Siegfried

Ancient Aviator

628 West 86th Street

Downers Grove, IL 60516

630 985-8502 

Stearman N3977A

Brookeridge Air Park LL22  

  In a message dated 10/29/2008 6:32:37 A.M. Central Daylight Time, nuckolls.bob(at)cox.net (nuckolls.bob(at)cox.net) writes:

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		  Now it   may be that they could claim no fault if

   somehow their   analysis says the cell was left

   installed long after it was   depleted. I.e., flash

   lights, radios, etc inadvertently left   on or

   perhaps the auto off feature isn't working,   etc.



   Bob . . .



	






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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:38 am Post subject: Duracell Leaking Batteries

Until recently, I had very few batteries leak, but within the last  

year, a number have, including one or two still in the package.   

Little damage to equipment, since I don't generally leave batteries in  

devices such as camera flashes.  I have never had a rechargeable NiMH  

battery leak.  I use those wherever a lower voltage is acceptable to  

the device.



I save up used batteries and take them to the hazardous waste  

disposal.  So I counted the results of the batteries in my discard pile:



Leaked/Total  Brand

6/18        Rayovac

3/13        Duracell

0/19        Memorex

3/19        Miscellaneous



That's a lot of leaky batteries, although some have probably been in  

the pile as long as 3 years.  The Memorex ones seem like a good deal,  

since they are quite inexpensive in bulk packages.



Jeff Page

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