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Michel

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 966
Location: Norway

Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:51 am Post subject: RE Kitfox Engine - 2 Stroke VS 4 Stroke.

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		   From: Catz631(at)aol.com

   I don't want to go across a large body of water in a Kitfox with either 

 engine ! More engines are better.


	


But then, what is a large body of water? More than a glide to the nearest shore? If I was to do that, I wouldn't be able to leave Scandinavia.



What I do (did?) when I cross a body of water is to set the engine at a nice cruise RPM and ... don't touch the throttle until I am on the other side. Maybe it is silly but I feel that not much can happen to the engine when it is nicely reeving at a constant RPM and flying at a constant speed at level.

.. Am I fooling myself?



Cheers,

Michel Verheughe

Norway

Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 ... grounded

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Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:03 am Post subject: RE Kitfox Engine - 2 Stroke VS 4 Stroke.

In a word....YES!

In several words, any engine, at any time, can scatter itself or at  

the least start bogging down and lose power no matter what  

manipulations to the throttle setting you are doing or not doing. In  

short, "when it's time, it's time."

Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

Jabiru 2200, 591hrs

Sensenich 62x46

flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition  

system

On Nov 18, 2008, at 8:49 AM, Michel Verheughe wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  > From: Catz631(at)aol.com

>   I don't want to go across a large body of water in a Kitfox with  

> either

> engine ! More engines are better.

 But then, what is a large body of water? More than a glide to the  

 nearest shore? If I was to do that, I wouldn't be able to leave  

 Scandinavia.

 What I do (did?) when I cross a body of water is to set the engine  

 at a nice cruise RPM and ... don't touch the throttle until I am on  

 the other side. Maybe it is silly but I feel that not much can  

 happen to the engine when it is nicely reeving at a constant RPM  

 and flying at a constant speed at level.

 ... Am I fooling myself?

 Cheers,

 Michel Verheughe

 Norway

 Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 ... grounded

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Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:13 am Post subject: RE Kitfox Engine - 2 Stroke VS 4 Stroke.

I'm sure you are right, Lynn, but I feel the same psychological effect  

that Michel describes: it seems the engine is less likely to fail if  

I'm not messing with it!  



Mike G.

N728KF, Kitfox IV-1200 Speedster

Phoenix, AZ

On Nov 18, 2008, at 11:03 AM, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt(at)jps.net> wrote:



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 In a word....YES!



 In several words, any engine, at any time, can scatter itself or at  

 the least start bogging down and lose power no matter what  

 manipulations to the throttle setting you are doing or not doing. In  

 short, "when it's time, it's time."



 Lynn Matteson

 Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

 Jabiru 2200, 591hrs

 Sensenich 62x46

 flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition  

 system



 On Nov 18, 2008, at 8:49 AM, Michel Verheughe wrote:



>> From: Catz631(at)aol.com

>>  I don't want to go across a large body of water in a Kitfox with  

>> either

>> engine ! More engines are better.

>

> But then, what is a large body of water? More than a glide to the  

> nearest shore? If I was to do that, I wouldn't be able to leave  

> Scandinavia.

>

> What I do (did?) when I cross a body of water is to set the engine  

> at a nice cruise RPM and ... don't touch the throttle until I am on  

> the other side. Maybe it is silly but I feel that not much can  

> happen to the engine when it is nicely reeving at a constant RPM  

> and flying at a constant speed at level.

> ... Am I fooling myself?

>

> Cheers,

> Michel Verheughe

> Norway

> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 ... grounded

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Michel

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Location: Norway

Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:15 am Post subject: RE Kitfox Engine - 2 Stroke VS 4 Stroke.

 	  Quote: 	
		   From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt(at)jps.net]

 In short, "when it's time, it's time."


	


.. and what if, at the same time, I hold my breath, cross my fingers, touch my lucky four-leave clover, ... 

Okay, I get the idea, Lynn. But you will surely agree that when flying over a long stretch of open water, it is probably best to leave the throttle in peace, right?



Cheers,

Michel Verheughe

Norway

Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 ... grounded

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JetPilot

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Posts: 1246

Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:19 am Post subject: Re: RE Kitfox Engine - 2 Stroke VS 4 Stroke.

I'm with you on that one, if I am flying over unlandable terrain, I set the throttle where the engine seems stable and happiest, and don't touch a thing until safely on the other side.  



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Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:39 am Post subject: RE Kitfox Engine - 2 Stroke VS 4 Stroke.

Now if we could only get the engine to lay on the couch and have  

those same "psychological effects" they'd never blow up. : )



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

Jabiru 2200, 591hrs

Sensenich 62x46

flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition  

system



On Nov 18, 2008, at 1:13 PM, Michael Gibbs wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 <MichaelGibbs(at)cox.net>



 I'm sure you are right, Lynn, but I feel the same psychological  

 effect that Michel describes: it seems the engine is less likely to  

 fail if I'm not messing with it!  



 Mike G.

 N728KF, Kitfox IV-1200 Speedster

 Phoenix, AZ

 On Nov 18, 2008, at 11:03 AM, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt(at)jps.net> wrote:



> 

>

> In a word....YES!

>

> In several words, any engine, at any time, can scatter itself or  

> at the least start bogging down and lose power no matter what  

> manipulations to the throttle setting you are doing or not doing.  

> In short, "when it's time, it's time."

>

> Lynn Matteson

> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

> Jabiru 2200, 591hrs

> Sensenich 62x46

> flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire  

> ignition system

>

> On Nov 18, 2008, at 8:49 AM, Michel Verheughe wrote:

>

>>> From: Catz631(at)aol.com

>>>  I don't want to go across a large body of water in a Kitfox  

>>> with either

>>> engine ! More engines are better.

>>

>> But then, what is a large body of water? More than a glide to the  

>> nearest shore? If I was to do that, I wouldn't be able to leave  

>> Scandinavia.

>>

>> What I do (did?) when I cross a body of water is to set the  

>> engine at a nice cruise RPM and ... don't touch the throttle  

>> until I am on the other side. Maybe it is silly but I feel that  

>> not much can happen to the engine when it is nicely reeving at a  

>> constant RPM and flying at a constant speed at level.

>> ... Am I fooling myself?

>>

>> Cheers,

>> Michel Verheughe

>> Norway

>> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 ... grounded

>>

>>

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Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
N369LM

Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:47 am Post subject: RE Kitfox Engine - 2 Stroke VS 4 Stroke.

Probably so, Michel, but as my flight instructor says: "You're  

retired right?...so go around the lake (talking about skirting  

Chicago to the west, on my way to Oshkosh, instead of flying along  

the shoreline of Lake Michigan)....it'll cost you a half-hour more,  

but you'll have more options for landing other than water and a  

beach." Of course I understand your situation, Michel, with all the  

beautiful mountains and lakes that you need to traverse any time you  

leave the pattern. Some days you just have to say, screw it, this is  

where I'm going and this is the only way to get there....and go.  

That's why God gave us a sphincter....so we could clench it and fly! : )



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

Jabiru 2200, 591hrs

Sensenich 62x46

flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition  

system



On Nov 18, 2008, at 1:14 PM, Michel Verheughe wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  > From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt(at)jps.net]

> In short, "when it's time, it's time."



 ... and what if, at the same time, I hold my breath, cross my  

 fingers, touch my lucky four-leave clover, ...

 Okay, I get the idea, Lynn. But you will surely agree that when  

 flying over a long stretch of open water, it is probably best to  

 leave the throttle in peace, right?



 Cheers,

 Michel Verheughe

 Norway

 Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 ... grounded

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