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dvanlanen
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Chapter 9 of the ‘Connection discusses the tradeoffs between soldered and crimped connections, and suggests that for those who do not want to invest in crimp-on terminals and associated tools, soldering is acceptable and possibly preferable for use on airplanes. This chapter goes on to explain the proper method for soldering and heat-shrinking ring terminals to wire. However, a solder method for fast-on tabs is not addressed. Since some electrical components come with male fast-on tabs, it is necessary to terminate some wires with female fast-on tabs. Do I still need to invest in the crimp-on terminals and associated tools to do fast-on tabs, or is there a method and terminal type for soldering fast-on tabs as well, and if so, is there any documentation on this?
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Bob McC
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| Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 4:35 am Post subject: Fast-On Tabs and Soldering |
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Dave;
It matters not what type of connection the connector provides, the wire attachment is identical. Ring, tongue, hook, fork, fast-on female, fast-on male, etc, etc. The wire termination parts are the same, so the methods of attachment are the same. You can get non-insulated versions of all of these as well as the PIDG style for crimping.
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Bill Schlatterer
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| Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 8:25 pm Post subject: Fast-On Tabs and Soldering |
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Dave, do yourself a favor,...get the tools. They are very cheap in the overall scheme of things, will make your work quicker and probably cleaner as well. You can crimp connectors on in lots of places that you would never get at easily with a soldering gun. Do solder splices if you get the chance. The look good, and are trim and clean.
The fast-on crimper tool falls in the same category as band saws, hemostats, side cutters, wire strippers, angle drill attachments, rivet fan guides, scotch bright wheels on a bench grinder, air drills, and center punches. You can do without any or all of them but you will do it better, faster, and cleaner with good "mechanical help". The cost of good tools is really nothing in the overall cost of the plane and you can probably get at least 50% back when you sell them after finishing.
Good luck
Bill S
7a finishing
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Subject: Fast-On Tabs and Soldering
Chapter 9 of the ‘Connection discusses the tradeoffs between soldered and crimped connections, and suggests that for those who do not want to invest in crimp-on terminals and associated tools, soldering is acceptable and possibly preferable for use on airplanes. This chapter goes on to explain the proper method for soldering and heat-shrinking ring terminals to wire. However, a solder method for fast-on tabs is not addressed. Since some electrical components come with male fast-on tabs, it is necessary to terminate some wires with female fast-on tabs. Do I still need to invest in the crimp-on terminals and associated tools to do fast-on tabs, or is there a method and terminal type for soldering fast-on tabs as well, and if so, is there any documentation on this?
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nuckolls.bob(at)cox.net
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| Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 7:27 am Post subject: Fast-On Tabs and Soldering |
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Good advice Bill. I would remind all of our
readers that tools are not just about convenience.
I'm presently reorganizing and concentrating
my family's business ventures in Medicine Lodge, KS.
Some days I am overwhelmed by the numbers and variety
of tools we need to inventory, sort and organize to
make them most useful. When the shops are finally
in place, we'll be doing home repairs, locksmithing,
HVAC, electronics development and manufacturing, just
to name the top activities. These things can be
accomplished by a very small group of folks only because
we have the tools and are willing to grow our talents
in their application.
Tools give you options. Solder is best sometimes,
crimping is best some times. Unless you acquire the tools
to do both, you have no options but to do the one thing.
In the final analysis, tools go directly to the best use
of $time$ and the level of craftsmanship in the finished
product.
It's sometimes hard to see a return on investment for
having acquired a tool. But take it from one who is up to his
eyeballs in tools . . . you won't regret having done it! We
have spent several thousand dollars outfitting the HVAC side
of the house. Those tools will be paid for in our first change-
out job. A job that would not even be possible without the
tools.
Bob . . .
At 10:22 PM 11/26/2008, you wrote:
| Quote: | Dave, do yourself a favor,...get the tools. They are very cheap in
the overall scheme of things, will make your work quicker and
probably cleaner as well. You can crimp connectors on in lots of
places that you would never get at easily with a soldering gun. Do
solder splices if you get the chance. The look good, and are trim and clean.
The fast-on crimper tool falls in the same category as band saws,
hemostats, side cutters, wire strippers, angle drill attachments,
rivet fan guides, scotch bright wheels on a bench grinder, air
drills, and center punches. You can do without any or all of them
but you will do it better, faster, and cleaner with good "mechanical
help". The cost of good tools is really nothing in the overall cost
of the plane and you can probably get at least 50% back when you
sell them after finishing.
Good luck
Bill S
7a finishing
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From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Dave VanLanen
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 12:17 AM
To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Fast-On Tabs and Soldering
Chapter 9 of the 'Connection discusses the tradeoffs between
soldered and crimped connections, and suggests that for those who do
not want to invest in crimp-on terminals and associated tools,
soldering is acceptable and possibly preferable for use on
airplanes. This chapter goes on to explain the proper method for
soldering and heat-shrinking ring terminals to wire. However, a
solder method for fast-on tabs is not addressed. Since some
electrical components come with male fast-on tabs, it is necessary
to terminate some wires with female fast-on tabs. Do I still need
to invest in the crimp-on terminals and associated tools to do
fast-on tabs, or is there a method and terminal type for soldering
fast-on tabs as well, and if so, is there any documentation on this?
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dvanlanen
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| Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 5:27 pm Post subject: Fast-On Tabs and Soldering |
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Thanks to everyone for the responses to my inquiry, and for the advice.
Dave
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Date: Nov 28, 2008
From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)cox.net>
Subject: Fast-On Tabs and Soldering
Good advice Bill. I would remind all of our
readers that tools are not just about convenience.
I'm presently reorganizing and concentrating
my family's business ventures in Medicine Lodge, KS.
Some days I am overwhelmed by the numbers and variety
of tools we need to inventory, sort and organize to
make them most useful. When the shops are finally
in place, we'll ….. [quote][b]
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