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Jeyoung65(at)aol.com
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 3:06 pm Post subject: On a Positive Note- Teens Build a Zodiac

Did I see two people in this aircraft for it's first flight?    Jerry of GA     DO NOT ARCHIVE



  

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jaybannist(at)cs.com
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 3:08 pm Post subject: On a Positive Note- Teens Build a Zodiac

The way I got the original story, Juan Vega was actually the instigator and mentor.  He was also the pilot, not the safety pilot.  Even though I thoroughly disagree with it, I have been told many times, emphatically, that having two people in the airplane before the 40 hour (or in some cases 25 hour) test period has been flown off is a violation of the regulations for an experimental airplane.

 

 Jay in Dallas

 

   

 

   

 

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amyvega2005(at)earthlink.
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 3:37 pm Post subject: On a Positive Note- Teens Build a Zodiac

Gig, what do you mean by FAR violation? there was none by what I remember.



Juan



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amyvega2005(at)earthlink.
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 3:41 pm Post subject: On a Positive Note- Teens Build a Zodiac

GUys,

The Head of the FAA was there, gave the preflight inspection and gave me the pilot in command authorization for one touch and go around the airport.  special airworthiness certificate signed off by the head of the regional FAA.  This plane is signed off by the FAA to have only 15 hours to fly off.  Both me and another pilot who is an FAA inspector willl fly off the hours. 



Juan



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amyvega2005(at)earthlink.
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 3:41 pm Post subject: On a Positive Note- Teens Build a Zodiac

GUys,

The Head of the FAA was there, gave the preflight inspection and gave me the pilot in command authorization for one touch and go around the airport.  special airworthiness certificate signed off by the head of the regional FAA.  This plane is signed off by the FAA to have only 15 hours to fly off.  Both me and another pilot who is an FAA inspector willl fly off the hours. 



Juan



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amyvega2005(at)earthlink.
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 3:41 pm Post subject: On a Positive Note- Teens Build a Zodiac

GUys,

The Head of the FAA was there, gave the preflight inspection and gave me the pilot in command authorization for one touch and go around the airport.  special airworthiness certificate signed off by the head of the regional FAA.  This plane is signed off by the FAA to have only 15 hours to fly off.  Both me and another pilot who is an FAA inspector willl fly off the hours. 



Juan



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amyvega2005(at)earthlink.
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 3:45 pm Post subject: On a Positive Note- Teens Build a Zodiac

yes you did.  signed off by FAA regional head.  plane has 15 hour fly off.  we also got a special certificate for flight without a transponder in a class B area as well.

 flight was restricted to twice round the patch. I will fly off the hours with one other guy who happens to be the FAA inspector.

Juan



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amyvega2005(at)earthlink.
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 3:46 pm Post subject: On a Positive Note- Teens Build a Zodiac

thanx Herder, i recieved the video from NBC and CNN.



Juan



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jaybannist(at)cs.com
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 3:48 pm Post subject: On a Positive Note- Teens Build a Zodiac

Juan,

 

 Knowing you, I assumed that was the case.  However, the FAA guys around here probably would not have cut you that slack.

 

 Jay in Dallas

 

   

 

   

 

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Gig Giacona

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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 7:59 pm Post subject: Re: On a Positive Note- Teens Build a Zodiac

Juan you didn't get enough credit in the story. In fact you got so little that I didn't even realize it was your program.



You are lucky that you have an FAA regional head that understands that the rules need to get modified from time to time to "promote aviation" which is one of the stated goals of the FAA.

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DaveG601XL

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Location: Cincinnati, Oh

Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 4:21 am Post subject: Re: On a Positive Note- Teens Build a Zodiac

My operating limitations document states "During the flight test phase, no person may be carried in this aircraft during flight unless that person is essential to the purpose of the flight."  This, by no means, shuts the door on carrying a second person.



Although some FAA Inspectors and DAR's may be emphatic in their interpretation that an experimental amateur built airplane has no essential purpose that would warrant a second person in the aircraft, some do not.  My inspector was more accommodating and he spent several minutes giving my examples of where, in his opinion, I should consider a second person.  My brother's DAR (different region), on the other hand, took the hard line view and said only one person for 40 hours, period.



Your mileage may vary!

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amyvega2005(at)earthlink.
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Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 7:37 am Post subject: On a Positive Note- Teens Build a Zodiac

Sabrina,

To answer your question, no I cannot,  its not my plane. Secondly this was a unique situation that does not apply to your situation, and rubbing an FAA guy the wrong way by showing him what happened in another area is not the way you or I want to go.  The situation was unique and called for special authorization and we got it.

to be brief,  60 kids built it, its registered to a school.  



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amyvega2005(at)earthlink.
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Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 7:37 am Post subject: On a Positive Note- Teens Build a Zodiac

Sabrina,

To answer your question, no I cannot,  its not my plane. Secondly this was a unique situation that does not apply to your situation, and rubbing an FAA guy the wrong way by showing him what happened in another area is not the way you or I want to go.  The situation was unique and called for special authorization and we got it.

to be brief,  60 kids built it, its registered to a school.  



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amyvega2005(at)earthlink.
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Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 7:38 am Post subject: On a Positive Note- Teens Build a Zodiac

Thanxs but it was not my program, the brains behind the project is Barrington Irving, check out his website,  experience aviation.com.   All I did was support in various ways, help build, help allocate, fly. the rest the group of kids did.



Juan



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amyvega2005(at)earthlink.
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Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 7:39 am Post subject: On a Positive Note- Teens Build a Zodiac

Thanxs but it was not my program, the brains behind the project is Barrington Irving, check out his website,  experience aviation.com.   All I did was support in various ways, help build, help allocate, fly. the rest the group of kids did.



Juan



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Gig Giacona

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Location: El Dorado Arkansas USA

Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 9:45 am Post subject: Re: On a Positive Note- Teens Build a Zodiac

 	  Sabrina wrote: 	
		  

Even if it was only POINT 1 hours, I could always say I flew part of the Phase 1.  This is GREAT NEWS!  



Thanking you in advance,



Sabrina 	




Sabrina, I think a letter from you to the Administrator (preferably handed to him by one or more of your congressmen) explaining your situation might well get you in the airplane during at least part of the Phase 1.



If anyone should receive special consideration in this issue it is you.

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Gig Giacona

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Location: El Dorado Arkansas USA

Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 11:25 am Post subject: Re: On a Positive Note- Teens Build a Zodiac

 	  Sabrina wrote: 	
		  



I think the proper salutation is Sir Barrington or Barrington Irving, C.D.   

	




That's all well and good unless he wants a federal job or in the military.



See US Constitution Article 1 Section 9.

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amyvega2005(at)earthlink.
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Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 12:08 pm Post subject: On a Positive Note- Teens Build a Zodiac

same place my father flew into as well. It was called operation Peter Pan, put on by the CIA at the time.



Juan



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