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MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com
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Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:34 am Post subject: Crimping of machined D-sub pins with 4-Way Indent Pin Cri

I think I have several problems and oversights that need to be addressed.

I'm using a tool that looks like this:

http://aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Tools/Crimp_Tools/rct-3.jpg

As you said, it is setup for one size of wire and one type of 

pin/socket.   I've been using it on 20AWG and probably 22 AWG which 

would immediately indicate some inconsistency.  But in this case, I was 

using it on 24AWG wires that was part of a pre-made harness pig tail.

In addition, I was trying to strip the wire just far enough to barely 

clear or be flush with the pin.  Given that this crimper seems to crimp 

concentrically at the the very tip of the pin, allowing any of the 

insulation into the pin could further compromise the crimp.  (I'm 

attaching 2 pics of the pin that failed). 

I first need to determine what size wire the crimper is setup for and 

limit its use to that wire.  And re-confirm I'm using the right pins 

(non-high density).

For this particular connection involving the 24AWG wires, I'm going to 

follow your guidance on using a 9 pin D-sum with solder terminals along 

with shrink tubing, clear adhesive and more shrink tubing.  It's a good 

solution for this particular connection.

I'll have to take a closer look at the adjustable Daniels crimper if I 

want to get serious... but it may be too expensive to justify.

What do you think?

Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com>

 At 08:04 AM 12/10/2008, you wrote:

> 

> <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>

>

> I've become a bit concerned about the integrity of my crimped D-sub 

> pins and socket.  I've been giving each connection a tug after 

> crimping and I just had one come off.  Upon examination, I can't see 

> the difference between that connection and others I recently made.

>

> So the question is, what is the proper technique for crimping on 

> Machined D-sub pins with a 4-way indent pin crimper?  I've searched 

> Bob's site and the Web in general and can't find any how-to 

> information.  None came with the tool I obtained from Stein.

>

> In particular, how should the tool be adjusted?  How far should the 

> wire be stripped (should the insulation be clear of the pin or should 

> it be in the pin)?

   Insulation can touch the pin but the wires need to be

   inserted a minimum depth as observed through the inspection

   hole. My installations have a pretty good gap between

   end of pin and insulation when the strands are fully

   inserted on the pin.

 http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Connectors/D-Subminature/D-Sub_4-quad-crimp.jpg 

   If your tool looks like this:

 http://aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Tools/Crimp_Tools/rct-3.jpg

   There are no adjustments to be made. The tool is set up for

   D-sub, 20AWG pins like . . .

 http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Connectors/D-Subminature/D-Sub_20AWG_Pin.jpg 

 http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Connectors/D-Subminature/D-Sub_20AWG_Socket.jpg 

   and should produce a finished joint like the first

   picture above.

   If your tool looks like this:

 http://aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Tools/Crimp_Tools/4-Quad/Daniels_4-Quad_1.jpg 

   then there are adjustments to be made in addition to selecting

   the right pin positioner. The tool should have come with instructions.

 http://aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Tools/Crimp_Tools/4-Quad/Daniels_4-Quad_2.JPG 

 http://aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Tools/Crimp_Tools/4-Quad/Daniels_4-Quad_3.JPG 

 http://aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Tools/Crimp_Tools/4-Quad/Tool-Locater_Cross_Reference.jpg 

> Should I solder?

   No . . .

>  Avoid the crimp pins altogether and use solder-on D-subs?

  Millions of these pins are installed every day world wide and

  deliver as advertised. You need to figure out what's going

  on with your materials, tools, techniques . . .

> Use the 'regular' crimp on, stamped pins instead?

  No, these are more problematic for the neophyte builder than

  machined pins. I don't even keep them in the shop. We've

  been 100% machined pins for 20+ years.

> Crimp and solder (the hole in the barrel of the pin suggests that may 

> be an option).

  No, that's an inspection hole. If the wires are sufficiently

  inserted you can see the strands through the hole.

> Advice or links are welcome.  Thanks

   What tool do you have? What pins are you trying to install and

   what connector is the target residence for the pins? Are you

   trying to install 22AWG (high density) pins with the 20AWG

   standard density) tool?

   Bob . . .

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Bill Schlatterer

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
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Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 6:52 pm Post subject: Crimping of machined D-sub pins with 4-Way Indent Pin Cri

I used this crimper and D-Subs on my full panel with no problems but it is

not made to do 24 gauge wire.  For that you need to double up the wire and

it will work fine.  Assuming you are using 20-22g wire and pins this tool

works nicely.



One other caution is that with this tool you NEVER double crimp a fitting.

If you partially crimp one and then crimp again, you run the risk of taking

the normal 4 point crimp and making it into an 8 point buzz saw for the

wire.  While you can carefully position a partially crimped terminal in the

jaws and crimp again, it is very likely to cut some or all of the stains in

the wire if not perfectly repositioned.  If you want to try it just crimp a

wire, then rotate it 45 degrees and crimp again.  Most likely, the wire will

easily break right at the terminal.



The trick with this tool is to strip the wire correctly and then hold the

pin in the tool with the wire inserted.  Pressure on the wire keeps the pin

in the right place in the tool. Then make one smooth firm crimp and leave it

alone.



Hope this helps.



Bill S

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