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Dana
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 Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 12:47 pm Post subject: sport pilot medical dilemma- failed cl 3= never fly sp (dr |
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At 01:14 PM 12/26/2008, john taylor wrote:
| Quote: | " Another thought . An FAA person told me some time ago that if you feel you
may have a problem,go for a class 2 medical. If you pass it great. If not ask
your ME if he thinks you could pass a class 3. If he says no, exam is over.
You did not fail a class 3 medical. You are a Sport Pilot." Larry Huntley KF
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I don't believe this is correct... the rule says you can't have failed your most recent medical; it doesn't say anything about which class it is. If you fail the class 2, that then is your last [failed] medical and you can't fly under SP, unless you subsequently pass a class 3 or get a special issuance.
"...pilots who have had their last FAA medical application/certificate denied, suspended or revoked or had their Special Issuance Authorization withdrawn MAY NOT exercise the privileges of a Sport pilot certificate."
-Dana
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| Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 1:36 pm Post subject: sport pilot medical dilemma- failed cl 3= never fly sp (dr |
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I don't believe this is correct... the rule says you can't have failed your most recent medical; it doesn't say anything about which class it is. If you fail the class 2, that then is your last [failed] medical and you can't fly under SP, unless you subsequently pass a class 3 or get a special issuance.
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Lets try this route just for fun…
Go and see a doctor ( who gives aviation physicals) and get a physical… not a flight physical… just an every day good health physical…. When you are finished,,, ask if he thinks you would pass a class 3 medical,,, if he says yes, fill out the paperwork,,,, if he says no,,,, physical over. This way you have not failed an aviation medical…..
Boyd Young
KOLB MKIII C
Utah
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John Hauck
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| Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 1:54 pm Post subject: sport pilot medical dilemma- failed cl 3= never fly sp (dr |
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Boyd/Gang:
I have an old retired country doc for a flight surgeon. I fly my airplane to a little country airport, taxi over to the fence, walk about a block to his house, get my flight physical in his den. Takes a few minutes and now costs $75.00.
Last year when I was getting my flight physical I asked him to let me know ahead of time if he thought I might not pass my Class III. He said not to worry. I wasn't going to fail my flight physical.
john h
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Go and see a doctor ( who gives aviation physicals)
Boyd Young
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by0ung(at)brigham.net
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| Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 2:32 pm Post subject: sport pilot medical dilemma- failed cl 3= never fly sp (dr |
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I don't believe this is correct... the rule says you can't have failed your most recent medical; it doesn't say anything about which class it is. If you fail the class 2, that then is your last [failed] medical and you can't fly under SP, unless you subsequently pass a class 3 or get a special issuance.
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Lets try this route just for fun…
Go and see a doctor ( who gives aviation physicals) and get a physical… not a flight physical… just an every day good health physical…. When you are finished,,, ask if he thinks you would pass a class 3 medical,,, if he says yes, fill out the paperwork,,,, if he says no,,,, physical over. This way you have not failed an aviation medical…..
Boyd Young
KOLB MKIII C
Utah
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Been thinking about this since I hit the send button.
If the doctor says he thinks you would pass the third class med…… then before filling out the paperwork… ask your self if your health would stay good enough until the medical expires ,, if so then fill out the paperwork…. If your health is going downhill,,, and they revoke the medical,,, you are the same situation as if you had failed the medical.
In that case you would be better off to fly sport pilot for now then give it up when your health goes south.
Now if the doctor says NO!!!! ask enough questions as to determine if you are safe to fly SP … or if you should keep your feet on the ground and sell your plane….
Remember,,, by flying SP with your drivers license,,,, you are self certifying that you are safe and healthy enough to fly safely .... if there is a condition that makes you unsafe, and you know about it, you should not fly.
The last situation is the medical examiner tells you that he could get you a medical if you spent enough time and money to get through all the bells and whistles that the faa would put in your way… in this case you have to make the decision: do I want to fly my kolb…. If so fly sp…. If you need to fly heavy metal,, decide how bad you need to fly it. And if it is worth jumping through all the hoops.
Please fly safe.
Boyd
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lucien
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| Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 8:25 pm Post subject: Re: sport pilot medical dilemma- failed cl 3= never fly sp |
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| by0ung(at)brigham.net wrote: |
Lets try this route just for fun…
Go and see a doctor ( who gives aviation physicals) and get a physical… not a flight physical… just an every day good health physical…. When you are finished,,, ask if he thinks you would pass a class 3 medical,,, if he says yes, fill out the paperwork,,,, if he says no,,,, physical over. This way you have not failed an aviation medical…..
Boyd Young
KOLB MKIII C
Utah
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My .02,
Keep your AME and your regular doc separate folks wherever possible. Dunno the legality of it all, but there's an inherent conflict of interest in the two roles of managing your health and the regulatory one of screening for a flight medical.
Once the doc knows about a condition, (s)he knows so when it comes to the actual exam, well.......
When I got sick the last time, I voluntarily grounded myself and went to a specialist. To **** with the medical at that point, my health comes first. I let my medical expire in the meantime, but I wasn't healthy enough to resume flying until a while after that.
Never went back to get it, too much paperwork involved and I still have things here and there going on that are disqualifying.
But when I need to go to the doctor, I need to feel free to be honest with them and tell them what's up. So I'd never use my AME for that.....
JMHO,
LS
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russ(at)rkiphoto.com
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| Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 11:21 am Post subject: sport pilot medical dilemma- failed cl 3= never fly sp (dr |
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FWIW, and IMHO - Boyd, and others, are right on about FAA medicals.You must make SURE the Dr understands that nothing gets put on an FAA form until after he's given you an exam,
and you've passed it. I've had to be very firm about this in the past. Many Drs really don't understand what a mess you'd be in if you failed a physical. You must beat it into their heads that you MUST NOT fail a physical at least ion the FAA forms.
Also a good idea if your regular Dr and the FAA Examiner aren't good buddies, or even know each other. I also think an older FAA Dr is better than a younger one; more understanding.
With a new Dr I say "Give me a physical as plain old Joe-the-plumber, NO FAA forms involved. Then when I pass it, give me the FAA physical, and charge me whatever you have to" So far no 'extra' charges ever. Maybe I've been lucky, but the Dr's I've used have been reasonable chaps.
Sounds like John H has found a good one. Class II and III run $100 & up around here. Can't fly to their offices either.
Russ Kinne
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On Dec 6, 2008, at 5:31 PM, boyd wrote:
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I don't believe this is correct... the rule says you can't have failed your most recent medical; it doesn't say anything about which class it is. If you fail the class 2, that then is your last [failed] medical and you can't fly under SP, unless you subsequently pass a class 3 or get a special issuance.
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Lets try this route just for fun…
Go and see a doctor ( who gives aviation physicals) and get a physical… not a flight physical… just an every day good health physical…. When you are finished,,, ask if he thinks you would pass a class 3 medical,,, if he says yes, fill out the paperwork,,,, if he says no,,,, physical over. This way you have not failed an aviation medical…..
Boyd Young
KOLB MKIII C
Utah
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Been thinking about this since I hit the send button.
If the doctor says he thinks you would pass the third class med…… then before filling out the paperwork… ask your self if your health would stay good enough until the medical expires ,, if so then fill out the paperwork…. If your health is going downhill,,, and they revoke the medical,,, you are the same situation as if you had failed the medical.
In that case you would be better off to fly sport pilot for now then give it up when your health goes south.
Now if the doctor says NO!!!! ask enough questions as to determine if you are safe to fly SP … or if you should keep your feet on the ground and sell your plane….
Remember,,, by flying SP with your drivers license,,,, you are self certifying that you are safe and healthy enough to fly safely .... if there is a condition that makes you unsafe, and you know about it, you should not fly.
The last situation is the medical examiner tells you that he could get you a medical if you spent enough time and money to get through all the bells and whistles that the faa would put in your way… in this case you have to make the decision: do I want to fly my kolb…. If so fly sp…. If you need to fly heavy metal,, decide how bad you need to fly it. And if it is worth jumping through all the hoops.
Please fly safe.
Boyd
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lucien
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| Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 8:42 pm Post subject: Re: sport pilot medical dilemma- failed cl 3= never fly sp |
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| russ(at)rkiphoto.com wrote: | FWIW, and IMHO �- Boyd, and others, are right on about FAA medicals.You must make SURE the Dr understands that nothing gets put on an �FAA form until after he's given �you an exam,
and you've passed it. I've had to be very firm about this in the past. Many Drs really don't understand what a mess you'd be in if you failed a physical. �You must beat it into their heads that you MUST NOT fail a physical at �least �ion the FAA forms.
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Er, that's specifically the purpose of the screening process - an exam for a medical cert. is a regulatory function and as such is _supposed_ to seek out and find disqualifying conditions.
If the AME in an FnAA medical exam finds something disqualifying in the exam you've _already failed_ at that point. (s)he has to report it and off you go to the special issuance process or to flying UL's.......
At least that's my understanding of it.
Indeed, another one of those things that really puts the Fn in FnAA......
LS
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