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z601(at)anemicaardvark.co
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Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:42 am Post subject: parts location

One of the problems I continually have is finding the parts in all the 

packing. This time, it's the 6W6-11 aileron bellcrank supports. 



Does anyone recall where these may have been packed in their kit? If I haven't 

located them today, my inclination is to simply order a second set, since 

they will soon delay my progress.

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rsteele(at)rjsit.com
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Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 1:01 pm Post subject: parts location

Mine was in the box with the ribs.



Ron



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chris Sinfield

Joined: 28 Nov 2006
Posts: 270
Location: Sydney Australia

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 1:24 pm Post subject: Re: parts location

they were wrapped in brown paper, loose in the shipping box ? both taped together

Chris 

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ggower_99(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 9:03 pm Post subject: parts location

(Cant remember who posted, sorry)

 

It is important to double check all the packing with your Kit,  before send it to the garbage... I am shure you will find everything sooner or later

z601(at)anemicaardvark.co
Guest

Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 7:57 am Post subject: parts location

On Wednesday 07 January 2009 23:02, Gary Gower wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   (Cant remember who posted, sorry)

 Â 

 It is important to double check all the packing with your Kit,Â  before send

 it to the garbage... I am shure you will find everything sooner or later. 

 In our city we have already built 4Â  CH 701 kitsÂ and I am now about half

 way buildingÂ a 601 XLÂ  kitÂ  and I can say with truth, that nothing of this

 five kits parts were missing, not even a washer.Â  Just one or twoÂ parts did

 not had the paper label, but where easy to identify with the plans. 

 Just our personal experience, some other local builder of kitsÂ for diferent

 airplanes, cant say the same.Â  

 Here in Mexico. like for allÂ other builder in countries around the world,

 is very important, because the shipping and import taxes are expensive and

 paperwork is HUGE.Â  No Custom Agent will accept that the missing shipped

 parts (sent later) have already paid their share, to dificult to explain

 and impossible proof. 

 Saludos


	


I've gone through the packing as I disposed of it. There simply isn't room to 

unpack everything and inventory it at the start, which is what I had hoped to 

do. I've gone through it several times, and checked the locations just 

suggested by others on the list. I don't doubt the parts are there .... 

somewhere. The problem is, I don't know where.



I would fault Zenith for not having a standardized location for parts in the 

packing, so that one always looks for things in the same place. That place 

should be on the inventory list they create, IMHO. But as far as shorting me 

parts, I have no reason at present to suggest Zenith has done anything like 

that. They seem honest, and above board.



But in my case, I've already spent 2+ hours looking for 4 parts worth a total 

$16. For me, I can't imagine a scenario in which it wouldn't be cheaper and 

quicker to replace the parts. When the others turn up later, I can either use 

them on the next project, or offer them to someone else with the same 

problem.



Shipping by anything other than FEDEX, UPS, or USPS is a large problem here in 

far west Texas. It's 150 miles to a freight dock. However, at least I'm not 

paying import duties or customs fees.

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==============================================

Those who can, do. Those who can't, sue.

=================================================

               Jim B. Belcher

    BS, MS Physics, math, Computer Science

                  A&P/IA

           Instrument Rated Pilot

     General Radio Telephone Certificate

=================================================

Gig Giacona

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1416
Location: El Dorado Arkansas USA

Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 8:36 am Post subject: Re: parts location

Well Jim, there is one guaranteed way to find the parts. Order their replacement.

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JohnDRead(at)aol.com
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Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 8:53 am Post subject: parts location

Jim;

         I had a couple of instances  of not being able to find parts that were checked off on the Zenith check list.  I called Zenith and they sent me the parts no charge. Give it a try.

  

 John  Read

CH701 - Elbert CO - Jabiru 3300



Phone: 303-648-3261

Fax:  303-648-3262

Cell: 719-494-4567   

  In a message dated 1/8/2009 8:57:35 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,  z601(at)anemicaardvark.com writes:

  	  Quote: 	
		  -->    Zenith601-List message posted by: Jim Belcher    <z601(at)anemicaardvark.com>



On Wednesday 07 January 2009 23:02,    Gary Gower wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   (Cant remember who posted, sorry)

     

 It is important to double check all the packing with your    Kit,  before send

 it to the garbage... I am shure you will find    everything sooner or later. 

 In our city we have already built 4     CH 701 kits and I am now about half

 way building a 601    XL  kit  and I can say with truth, that nothing of this

 five    kits parts were missing, not even a washer.  Just one or two parts    did

 not had the paper label, but where easy to identify with the    plans. 

 Just our personal experience, some other local builder of    kits for diferent

 airplanes, cant say the same.  

    Here in Mexico. like for all other builder in countries around the    world,

 is very important, because the shipping and import taxes are    expensive and

 paperwork is HUGE.  No Custom Agent will accept    that the missing shipped

 parts (sent later) have already paid their    share, to dificult to explain

 and impossible proof. 

    Saludos


	


I've gone through the packing as I disposed of it. There simply    isn't room to 

unpack everything and inventory it at the start, which is    what I had hoped to 

do. I've gone through it several times, and checked    the locations just 

suggested by others on the list. I don't doubt the    parts are there .... 

somewhere. The problem is, I don't know    where.



I would fault Zenith for not having a standardized location for    parts in the 

packing, so that one always looks for things in the same    place. That place 

should be on the inventory list they create, IMHO. But    as far as shorting me 

parts, I have no reason at present to suggest Zenith    has done anything like 

that. They seem honest, and above board.



But    in my case, I've already spent 2+ hours looking for 4 parts worth a total    

$16. For me, I can't imagine a scenario in which it wouldn't be cheaper    and 

quicker to replace the parts. When the others turn up later, I can    either use 

them on the next project, or offer them to someone else with    the same 

problem.



Shipping by anything other than FEDEX, UPS, or    USPS is a large problem here in 

far west Texas. It's 150 miles to a    freight dock. However, at least I'm not 

paying import duties or customs    fees.

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    BS,    MS Physics, math, Computer Science

                     A&P/IA

              Instrument Rated Pilot

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z601(at)anemicaardvark.co
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Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 11:47 am Post subject: parts location

On Thursday 08 January 2009 10:36, Gig Giacona wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Well Jim, there is one guaranteed way to find the parts.  Order their

 replacement. 


	


It works that way at your house too?

-- 

==============================================

Those who can, do. Those who can't, sue.

=================================================

               Jim B. Belcher

    BS, MS Physics, math, Computer Science

                  A&P/IA

           Instrument Rated Pilot

     General Radio Telephone Certificate

=================================================

rsteele(at)rjsit.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 4:38 pm Post subject: parts location

I'm going to go in a complete different direction here.  Sooner or  

later you are going to end up with a sheet metal bending break.  It's  

one of those thing that most builders are going to need sooner or  

later.  It may be for fabricating parts for your panel, fire wall  

forward stuff, or as in my case to remake parts you screwed up.

I don't know what your are missing besides the bell crank support, but  

if doesn't look too complicated, you should think about getting a  

small cheap break. A break is under  $100 and will let you fabricate a  

lot of parts, including the bell crank support in a few minutes.  I'm  

a worry wart, always thinking I'm going to miss drill a hole and  

knowing I can make a new part quickly is a real stress reliever.

So, my suggestion is a couple of 2/4ft sheets of 6061-t6 from ACS and  

a cheap break.

Don't forget to have fun,

Ron

DO NOT ARCHIVE

On Jan 8, 2009, at 10:58 AM, Jim Belcher wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 >

 On Wednesday 07 January 2009 23:02, Gary Gower wrote:

> (Cant remember who posted, sorry)

>

> It is important to double check all the packing with your Kit,   

> before send

> it to the garbage... I am shure you will find everything sooner or  

> later.

> In our city we have already built 4  CH 701 kits and I am now about  

> half

> way building a 601 XL  kit  and I can say with truth, that nothing  

> of this

> five kits parts were missing, not even a washer.  Just one or two  

> parts did

> not had the paper label, but where easy to identify with the plans.

> Just our personal experience, some other local builder of kits for  

> diferent

> airplanes, cant say the same.

> Here in Mexico. like for all other builder in countries around the  

> world,

> is very important, because the shipping and import taxes are  

> expensive and

> paperwork is HUGE.  No Custom Agent will accept that the missing  

> shipped

> parts (sent later) have already paid their share, to dificult to  

> explain

> and impossible proof.

> Saludos

 I've gone through the packing as I disposed of it. There simply  

 isn't room to

 unpack everything and inventory it at the start, which is what I had  

 hoped to

 do. I've gone through it several times, and checked the locations just

 suggested by others on the list. I don't doubt the parts are  

 there ....

 somewhere. The problem is, I don't know where.

 I would fault Zenith for not having a standardized location for  

 parts in the

 packing, so that one always looks for things in the same place. That  

 place

 should be on the inventory list they create, IMHO. But as far as  

 shorting me

 parts, I have no reason at present to suggest Zenith has done  

 anything like

 that. They seem honest, and above board.

 But in my case, I've already spent 2+ hours looking for 4 parts  

 worth a total

 $16. For me, I can't imagine a scenario in which it wouldn't be  

 cheaper and

 quicker to replace the parts. When the others turn up later, I can  

 either use

 them on the next project, or offer them to someone else with the same

 problem.

 Shipping by anything other than FEDEX, UPS, or USPS is a large  

 problem here in

 far west Texas. It's 150 miles to a freight dock. However, at least  

 I'm not

 paying import duties or customs fees.

 -- 

 ==============================================

 Those who can, do. Those who can't, sue.

 =================================================

               Jim B. Belcher

    BS, MS Physics, math, Computer Science

                  A&P/IA

           Instrument Rated Pilot

     General Radio Telephone Certificate

 =================================================

z601(at)anemicaardvark.co
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 7:18 am Post subject: parts location

On Thursday 08 January 2009 18:37, Ronald Steele wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 I'm going to go in a complete different direction here.  Sooner or

 later you are going to end up with a sheet metal bending break.  It's

 one of those thing that most builders are going to need sooner or

 later.  It may be for fabricating parts for your panel, fire wall

 forward stuff, or as in my case to remake parts you screwed up.



 I don't know what your are missing besides the bell crank support, but

 if doesn't look too complicated, you should think about getting a

 small cheap break. A break is under  $100 and will let you fabricate a

 lot of parts, including the bell crank support in a few minutes.  I'm

 a worry wart, always thinking I'm going to miss drill a hole and

 knowing I can make a new part quickly is a real stress reliever.



 So, my suggestion is a couple of 2/4ft sheets of 6061-t6 from ACS and

 a cheap break.


	


This is one of those coincidences that's somewhat amusing, Ron. I've had a 

small ~4' sheet metal brake for over a year, just for this reason. And, by 

chance, I'd ordered a couple of sheets of aluminum from Aircraft Spruce 

yesterday.



Had I been thinking clearly (which I obviously wasn't), I'd also have ordered 

some 1/8" aluminum to do the bellcrank supports. This whole thing is coming 

at a time that I'm getting over a sequence of colds, so I'm focusing more on 

getting ready than actual fabrication.



I, too, am something of a worry wart, although I prefer to think of it as 

planning ahead. Obviously, I think your advice is good. 

-- 

==============================================

Those who can, do. Those who can't, sue.

=================================================

               Jim B. Belcher

    BS, MS Physics, math, Computer Science

                  A&P/IA

           Instrument Rated Pilot

     General Radio Telephone Certificate

=================================================

Terry Phillips

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 346
Location: Corvallis, MT

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 1:02 pm Post subject: parts location

Hi Jim



I think that your attitude is right on Re fab'ing your own bell crank 

supports. However, I'm afraid that your brake won't do you any good, 

because there is nothing to bend. The supports, 6W6-11, are made from 1" x 

1.5" x .125" 6061-T6 angle extrusion. All you need to do is to buy the 

extrusion, and then cut it to length then cut the corners off. Regarding 

finding the parts, the parts in the kit are just two pieces of the angle 

extrusion, cut to 55-mm length. They won't look like the drawing in 6W6 

until you cut the corners off and drill the holes.



Good luck with your build.



Terry

At 09:19 AM 1/9/2009 -0600, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  This is one of those coincidences that's somewhat amusing, Ron. I've had a

small ~4' sheet metal brake for over a year, just for this reason. And, by

chance, I'd ordered a couple of sheets of aluminum from Aircraft Spruce

yesterday.



Had I been thinking clearly (which I obviously wasn't), I'd also have ordered

some 1/8" aluminum to do the bellcrank supports. This whole thing is coming

at a time that I'm getting over a sequence of colds, so I'm focusing more on

getting ready than actual fabrication.



I, too, am something of a worry wart, although I prefer to think of it as

planning ahead. Obviously, I think your advice is good. 


	




Terry Phillips  ZBAGer

ttp44~at~rkymtn.net

Corvallis MT

601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons 

are done; working on the wings

http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/

_________________
Terry Phillips
Corvallis, MT
ttp44<at>rkymtn.net
Zenith 601XL/Jab 3300 slow build kit - Tail feathers done; working on the wings.

PatrickW

Joined: 27 Oct 2006
Posts: 380
Location: Fort Worth, Texas

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:45 pm Post subject: Re: parts location

 	  rsteele(at)rjsit.com wrote: 	
		  Sooner or  later you are going to end up with a sheet metal bending break. 	


I think a lot of us who started as kit builders ended up as scratch builders...



- Pat

z601(at)anemicaardvark.co
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:50 pm Post subject: parts location

On Friday 09 January 2009 15:00, Terry Phillips wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Hi Jim



 I think that your attitude is right on Re fab'ing your own bell crank

 supports. However, I'm afraid that your brake won't do you any good,

 because there is nothing to bend. The supports, 6W6-11, are made from 1" x

 1.5" x .125" 6061-T6 angle extrusion. All you need to do is to buy the

 extrusion, and then cut it to length then cut the corners off. Regarding

 finding the parts, the parts in the kit are just two pieces of the angle

 extrusion, cut to 55-mm length. They won't look like the drawing in 6W6

 until you cut the corners off and drill the holes.


	


Actually, that might have been easier for me to do than a brake job. I hate 

standoff distances, etc with a passion. I can calculate them, but I just 

don't have the flair to get them to turn out on first try, and usually waste 

a fair amount of aluminum. I can't claim lack of experience - I think the 

first time I used a brake was around 1965.



The fact that I didn't notice that they were cut from extrusion is further 

evidence I'm not feeling all that well. It's a good thing I didn't start to 

fab them!

==============================================

Those who can, do. Those who can't, sue.

=================================================

               Jim B. Belcher

    BS, MS Physics, math, Computer Science

                  A&P/IA

           Instrument Rated Pilot

     General Radio Telephone Certificate

=================================================

paulrod36(at)msn.com
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Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:48 am Post subject: parts location

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  Harbor Freight's aviation department sells a cheap, 30-inch brake that  bolts to a table for about $30. I've made and re-made more parts on it than I  want to admit to.

  

 Paul Rodriguez

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