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Float Flyr

Joined: 19 Jul 2006
Posts: 2704
Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland

Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 6:59 pm Post subject: LAT Flying through Canada

Lynn:  

   

I'm not sure but I think a Sport Pilot can fly in Canada if he has the aviation medical.  That of course nullifies the reason for the sport pilot license in the first place.  Anyone with a PPL there is definitely no problem.  

   

While I think of it... I was talking to a raft of Transport Canada  (TC) inspectors on Friday.  I asked about over flying without the 406 mHz ELT.  The consensus was no one wanted to say yes or no.  They all felt there was some merit to my contention that because the planes would be N numbered that they were flying on foreign authority, therefore legal...(Canadian Reciprocal agreements)  Most of the guys said they will get back to me.  As soon as I hear anything I'll let you know.  BTW the time frame for the implementation of the law that requires the 406 has been set back because of a bit of Canadian political fang-dangling.  It was supposed to come into effect on Feb 1 '09 but now they are saying mar 15 (good day Caesar!) is a better estimate.  After February there is more pressing legislation for the government to get passed before the summer break so there is a real possibility that the law won't be enacted before fall.  Our Government like the one south of the 49th makes snails look like light speeders!   In the mean time I'll call again on Monday and ask about the sport pilot flying...  I'm almost sure this has come up before and the decision was to allow it if they had the class 3(?) U.S. Aviation Medical.  

   

There is a bit of personal good news.  TC has passed over all the licensing of amateur built aircraft to the Recreational Aircraft Association.  After several calls I finally contacted the RAA person who trains the inspectors for eastern Canada.  He said I wouldn't have to go through all the hassle of deregistering and re-registering my plane because of the engine change (mod).  All he wants is for me to do either a W&B amendment or a new W&B and apply for a new special C of A.  

   

   

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Noel Loveys  

Campbellton, NL, Canada  

CDN AME intern, PP-Rec  

C-FINB, Kitfox III-A  

912 almost installed  

Aerocet 1100 floats  

[url=noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca]noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca[/url]  

   

   

   

   

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Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 7:32 pm Post subject: LAT Flying through Canada

Good show, Noel! (on the engine change)



Canada needs to further their reciprocal agreements to include the  

Sport Pilot...period! And of course I don't have, or WON'T try for  

the medical. I've seen too many guys go to the doc and the doc says  

"you appear to be in good health, let's get you  

tested".....ERRRNNNNDDDTTT!!!!!!  red light flashes, you fail, no  

more flying! I ain't havin' none of that shi-!   I know guys that are  

flying w/o a medical, and more power to 'em...until they get caught,  

then they are busted for good. At least with a Sport Pilot  

certificate, I'm legal as long as I can drag my weary bones up to the  

counter every 4 years, wipe the drool off my chin, smile for the  

camera, then have my attendant wheel me out to my  

airplane...well...almost like that. : )



And so far, I don't think that SP's are falling out of the skies in  

any great numbers, so the thinking about using a current drivers'  

license in lieu of a medical must have some merit.



  "allow it if they had the class 3(?) U.S. Aviation Medical." ??  

Allow a person to fly as a Sport Pilot if they have a Medical?   

That's like allowing a person to apply a band-aid if they have a  

surgeon's license. Methinks they need to rethink this one...



Hey, Noel, did you get from those pictures what you needed? I posted  

a test picture to Matronics Kitfox forum like Paul described, but I  

haven't seen it, or the email announcing it.



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs

Sensenich 62x46

Electroair direct-fire ignition system

New skis done and flying





On Jan 17, 2009, at 9:57 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:



[quote] Lynn:



 I'm not sure but I think a Sport Pilot can fly in Canada if he has  

 the aviation medical.  That of course nullifies the reason for the  

 sport pilot license in the first place.  Anyone with a PPL there is  

 definitely no problem.



 While I think of it... I was talking to a raft of Transport Canada   

 (TC) inspectors on Friday.  I asked about over flying without the  

 406 mHz ELT.  The consensus was no one wanted to say yes or no.   

 They all felt there was some merit to my contention that because  

 the planes would be N numbered that they were flying on foreign  

 authority, therefore legal...(Canadian Reciprocal agreements)  Most  

 of the guys said they will get back to me.  As soon as I hear  

 anything I'll let you know.  BTW the time frame for the  

 implementation of the law that requires the 406 has been set back  

 because of a bit of Canadian political fang-dangling.  It was  

 supposed to come into effect on Feb 1 '09 but now they are saying  

 mar 15 (good day Caesar!) is a better estimate.  After February  

 there is more pressing legislation for the government to get passed  

 before the summer break so there is a real possibility that the law  

 won't be enacted before fall.  Our Government like the one south of  

 the 49th makes snails look like light speeders!   In the mean time  

 I'll call again on Monday and ask about the sport pilot flying...   

 I'm almost sure this has come up before and the decision was to  

 allow it if they had the class 3(?) U.S. Aviation Medical.



 There is a bit of personal good news.  TC has passed over all the  

 licensing of amateur built aircraft to the Recreational Aircraft  

 Association.  After several calls I finally contacted the RAA  

 person who trains the inspectors for eastern Canada.  He said I  

 wouldn't have to go through all the hassle of deregistering and re- 

 registering my plane because of the engine change (mod).  All he  

 wants is for me to do either a W&B amendment or a new W&B and apply  

 for a new special C of A.



 <image001.jpg>



 Noel Loveys



 Campbellton, NL, Canada



 CDN AME intern, PP-Rec



 C-FINB, Kitfox III-A



 912 almost installed



 Aerocet 1100 floats



 noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca



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Float Flyr

Joined: 19 Jul 2006
Posts: 2704
Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 6:16 am Post subject: LAT Flying through Canada

Haven't seen the pictures but I'll keep an eye out.  

   

The SNAFU with the medicals is not all on one side of the border.  In Canada up to age 45 a person can fill out what is called a medical declaration (class 4 medical).  It goes through the 50 y-n questions and then you get to pay a $50 registration fee..  they don't renew licenses here so they more than make up for revenue in the medical registration$.  After the magic age of 45 you wake up one morning and all sense of honour has died along with your last two brain cells so you now need to have a regular MD. fill out the form for you and... also order an EKG.  As long as the sinus rhythm is normal your good to go for another two years.  

   

I'm not sure what the regs are on the drivers license but I do know that the medical I used to have for the air brake endorsement on my driver's license was a lot more in depth than the medical declaration.  In fact it was more in depth than the TC class 2 pilot medical except it is not administered by a flight surgeon.  We have ten provinces here the rough equivalent of your states.  Each province passes its own legislation on driving...  So a drivers license issued in one province will not necessarily be renewed in another province.  I think all the provinces will replace a driver's license for a person moving in with little or no fuss but let  you old license expire and they come after you like a bear in heat. Drivers school, Tests & the like.  All costs $$$.  

   

We don't have a minimum national level of what is an acceptable medical condition to be able to drive a car.  So TC as a national body can't accept the license as a valid form of medical.  Outside eyesight tests I don't know if there is a place in the country where any other medical tests are required.  Here in Newfoundland medical doctors are supposed to be bound to notify the department of highways of any patient who they think should not be driving.  Most doctors feel this is an infringement on their practice (it is) and patient doctor confidentiality, some pass the info along, some don't.  The Department of Highways, not being the governing body of doctors, takes what it gets...  Quietly, very quietly.  

   

Flight surgeons in this country are a different quintal of fish...  They are hired by TC so anything they find out is the property of TC. The patient is only allowed to pay for the medical exam.   

   

The long and the short of it is that without a national health standard we will not have a driver's medical in Canada. My best guess is there is a feeling among the lords of the manor at TC that if we allow US sport pilots to fly here on a driver's medical then we, Canadian pilots, will want equal consideration... and we would.  

   

The answer is simple install a minimum national standard for medical health to drive a car.  Then allow the driver's license to act as a medical.  It probably won't happen too soon as it could mean taking literally thousands of elderly tax payers off the road.  It would be better for the country as a whole but it would also be a hard sell.  I personally know people who were in their mid nineties and still driving.  

   

South of the 49th the reason to keep PP-UL and PP-Rec (class 4 medical) out is close to the reason Canada keeps driver's medicals out.  The FAA feels it has a good system of medical administration and it doesn't want to have any one filling out their own medical forms.  That makes the medical a self issue document rather than a national or state issue document.  So to keep thousands of Americans who may have lost their licenses for any reason from simply filing out their own medical forms they keep the Canadian guys out.    

   

What can be done on the U.S. side of the border.  Same as in Canada, develop a minimum standard for driver's licenses.    

   

Then both governments can take the heads of both the FAA and TC, lock them in a damp mine with cold gruel and candles, leave them there until they iron out a reciprocal agreement.  They will be home for supper and we will have the right to visit each other and show off our babes.  (The ones with the wings  )  

   

Clear as mud??  

   

Noel  

   

   

   

   

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Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 11:55 am Post subject: LAT Flying through Canada

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Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 12:54 pm Post subject: LAT Flying through Canada

Good enough.



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs

Sensenich 62x46

Electroair direct-fire ignition system

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On Jan 18, 2009, at 2:53 PM, Dave G wrote:



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