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Doug Gray
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:10 am Post subject: Converting a 6 to a 6a |
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On Sun, 2007-11-18 at 21:13 -0500, Jim Blake wrote:
Quote: | Chuck, I have an RV6 under construction and am planning on changing
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to a 6A. Per Van all that is needed is to change the engine mount and
gear. I have the mount and gear.
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Do not overlook the comment on drawing 31 saying "Note: Install F-6101
instead of F-654 & F-655 if building the tri-gear."
Presumably the tri-gear is referring to the 6A ... !
I am surprised Vans did not mention this as it is a significant change.
Perhaps the -6 family has already fallen off their radar.
Doug Gray
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Apik
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Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 3:52 am Post subject: Re: Converting a 6 to a 6a |
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The RV-6 made its first flight in 1985. When all the flight testing was done, Van was delighted to find that despite the wide fuselage, it was only three miles per hour slower than the RV-4! The handling qualities and STOL characteristics were so close that a pilot who could not see the altered visual picture caused by sitting off the centerline probably could not tell the RV-4 and RV-6 apart. ...here is my info about RV 6A
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Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:15 am Post subject: Converting a 6 to a 6a |
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In light of the rash of bent nose gear and flipped-over aircraft I just cant understand any reason for wanting to switch to tri-gear. [suspend tailwheel bravado] The RV-aircraft have got to be some of the tamest tail-wheel aircraft ever made. IMHO, the only detractor is the reduced visibility during taxi which is not a big deal. Benifits include better looks, better rough field performance, and a slight edge in speed. [resume tailwheel bravado]
Why would you ruin a perfictly good airplane with a training wheel?
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David Leonard
Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
http://RotaryRoster.net
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 3:52 AM, Apik <lily_f(at)auswww.com (lily_f(at)auswww.com)> wrote:
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The RV-6 made its first flight in 1985. When all the flight testing was done, Van was delighted to find that despite the wide fuselage, it was only three miles per hour slower than the RV-4! The handling qualities and STOL characteristics were so close that a pilot who could not see the altered visual picture caused by sitting off the centerline probably could not tell the RV-4 and RV-6 apart. ...here is my info about RV 6A
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Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:44 am Post subject: Converting a 6 to a 6a |
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Too funny! However many bent nose gears there have been, there are only 2 kinds of tail wheel pilots. Those that have and those that will. (you know what I’m talking about) we have a local pilot that has 2 tail wheel aircraft and a tricycle gear bird. He ground looped one last fall and did the same with the other one a couple of weeks ago. So I think that I will continue my tricycle gear 6. Thank you very much. lol
From: owner-rv6-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv6-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Leonard
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 9:15 AM
To: rv6-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Re: Converting a 6 to a 6a
In light of the rash of bent nose gear and flipped-over aircraft I just cant understand any reason for wanting to switch to tri-gear. [suspend tailwheel bravado] The RV-aircraft have got to be some of the tamest tail-wheel aircraft ever made. IMHO, the only detractor is the reduced visibility during taxi which is not a big deal. Benifits include better looks, better rough field performance, and a slight edge in speed. [resume tailwheel bravado]
Why would you ruin a perfictly good airplane with a training wheel?
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David Leonard
Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
http://RotaryRoster.net
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 3:52 AM, Apik <lily_f(at)auswww.com (lily_f(at)auswww.com)> wrote:
--> RV6-List message posted by: "Apik" <lily_f(at)auswww.com (lily_f(at)auswww.com)>
The RV-6 made its first flight in 1985. When all the flight testing was done, Van was delighted to find that despite the wide fuselage, it was only three miles per hour slower than the RV-4! The handling qualities and STOL characteristics were so close that a pilot who could not see the altered visual picture caused by sitting off the centerline probably could not tell the RV-4 and RV-6 apart. ...here is my info about RV 6A
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228827#228827
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Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:56 am Post subject: Converting a 6 to a 6a |
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Bob,
You will probably love the A version. I moved from a 4 to a 6A because I regularly fly into commercial airports and the thought of looping the plane and causing a commercial flight to have to go around regardless of zero damage to my aircraft was enough to make me look at the A’s. Yes the TW models look cooler and are SLIGHTLY faster and cost more to insure (whoops) but landing an A even in difficult conditions is a dream. I often look like a genius laying down my 6A as clean as can be imagined. I never had that feeling in my TW.
If you feel comfortable with a nose wheel (and your manhood) enjoy you’re A model.
Robin
www.painttheweb.com/rv-4 (sold)
www.painttheweb.com/RV-6A (500 hours)
www.painttheweb.com/RV-10 (in Paint Now)
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Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 10:08 am Post subject: Converting a 6 to a 6a |
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Yes, but how many RV aircraft do you know of that have groundlooped? Although I am sure there are many, I personally only know of 1. While I know of many flipped planes and bent nose forks. Perhaps it is because groundloops are usually relatively minor incidents that often don't make the RV news, but that is part of my point as well.
Either way, Good luck
David Leonard
Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
http://RotaryRoster.net
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Schroeder, Bob (Parts Clerk) <BSchroeder(at)rideuta.com (BSchroeder(at)rideuta.com)> wrote:
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Too funny! However many bent nose gears there have been, there are only 2 kinds of tail wheel pilots. Those that have and those that will. (you know what I'm talking about) we have a local pilot that has 2 tail wheel aircraft and a tricycle gear bird. He ground looped one last fall and did the same with the other one a couple of weeks ago. So I think that I will continue my tricycle gear 6. Thank you very much. lol
From: owner-rv6-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv6-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv6-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv6-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of David Leonard
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 9:15 AM
To: rv6-list(at)matronics.com (rv6-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Re: Converting a 6 to a 6a
In light of the rash of bent nose gear and flipped-over aircraft I just cant understand any reason for wanting to switch to tri-gear. [suspend tailwheel bravado] The RV-aircraft have got to be some of the tamest tail-wheel aircraft ever made. IMHO, the only detractor is the reduced visibility during taxi which is not a big deal. Benifits include better looks, better rough field performance, and a slight edge in speed. [resume tailwheel bravado]
Why would you ruin a perfictly good airplane with a training wheel?
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David Leonard
Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
http://RotaryRoster.net
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 3:52 AM, Apik <lily_f(at)auswww.com (lily_f(at)auswww.com)> wrote:
--> RV6-List message posted by: "Apik" <lily_f(at)auswww.com (lily_f(at)auswww.com)>
The RV-6 made its first flight in 1985. When all the flight testing was done, Van was delighted to find that despite the wide fuselage, it was only three miles per hour slower than the RV-4! The handling qualities and STOL characteristics were so close that a pilot who could not see the altered visual picture caused by sitting off the centerline probably could not tell the RV-4 and RV-6 apart. ...here is my info about RV 6A
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228827#228827
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Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 10:08 am Post subject: Converting a 6 to a 6a |
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Have you checked the insurance rates for tail vs nose draggers????
Set aside the testosterone issue; let it drop.
best wishes
dave--(bet you guessed it) -RV7A, 55 hours and no ground loops or flip overs so far------------
On Feb 6, 2009, at 8:43 AM, Schroeder, Bob (Parts Clerk) wrote:
Quote: | Too funny! However many bent nose gears there have been, there are only 2 kinds of tail wheel pilots. Those that have and those that will. (you know what I’m talking about) we have a local pilot that has 2 tail wheel aircraft and a tricycle gear bird. He ground looped one last fall and did the same with the other one a couple of weeks ago. So I think that I will continue my tricycle gear 6. Thank you very much. lol
From: owner-rv6-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv6-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv6-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv6-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of David Leonard
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 9:15 AM
To: rv6-list(at)matronics.com (rv6-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Re: Converting a 6 to a 6a
In light of the rash of bent nose gear and flipped-over aircraft I just cant understand any reason for wanting to switch to tri-gear. [suspend tailwheel bravado] The RV-aircraft have got to be some of the tamest tail-wheel aircraft ever made. IMHO, the only detractor is the reduced visibility during taxi which is not a big deal. Benifits include better looks, better rough field performance, and a slight edge in speed. [resume tailwheel bravado]
Why would you ruin a perfictly good airplane with a training wheel?
--
David Leonard
Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
http://RotaryRoster.net
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Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 10:10 am Post subject: Converting a 6 to a 6a |
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I will. I’m currently allowed to fly my buddy’s 9a. it’s a dream to fly and I’ve never had that good of landings in a piper or Cessna. It’s just not fast enough compared to the 6
From: owner-rv6-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv6-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 10:55 AM
To: rv6-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Re: Converting a 6 to a 6a
Bob,
You will probably love the A version. I moved from a 4 to a 6A because I regularly fly into commercial airports and the thought of looping the plane and causing a commercial flight to have to go around regardless of zero damage to my aircraft was enough to make me look at the A’s. Yes the TW models look cooler and are SLIGHTLY faster and cost more to insure (whoops) but landing an A even in difficult conditions is a dream. I often look like a genius laying down my 6A as clean as can be imagined. I never had that feeling in my TW.
If you feel comfortable with a nose wheel (and your manhood) enjoy you’re A model.
Robin
www.painttheweb.com/rv-4 (sold)
www.painttheweb.com/RV-6A (500 hours)
www.painttheweb.com/RV-10 (in Paint Now)
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Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 10:27 am Post subject: Converting a 6 to a 6a |
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Exactly, insurance rates will tell the truth. I know of one RV groundloop
with damage at my airport but ZERO RV tri-gear incidents. I suspect that
the fact is that the nose-overs are on unimproved landing areas. So stay off
of them.
Ron Lee
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BSchroeder(at)rideuta.com Guest
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Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 10:35 am Post subject: Converting a 6 to a 6a |
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None. But one of the 2 was a harmon rocket. I did see the picture of a 7A that was caught mid fall standing on its nose in the grass.
From: owner-rv6-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv6-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Leonard
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 11:04 AM
To: rv6-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Re: Converting a 6 to a 6a
Yes, but how many RV aircraft do you know of that have groundlooped? Although I am sure there are many, I personally only know of 1. While I know of many flipped planes and bent nose forks. Perhaps it is because groundloops are usually relatively minor incidents that often don't make the RV news, but that is part of my point as well.
Either way, Good luck
David Leonard
Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
http://RotaryRoster.net
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Schroeder, Bob (Parts Clerk) <BSchroeder(at)rideuta.com (BSchroeder(at)rideuta.com)> wrote:
Too funny! However many bent nose gears there have been, there are only 2 kinds of tail wheel pilots. Those that have and those that will. (you know what I'm talking about) we have a local pilot that has 2 tail wheel aircraft and a tricycle gear bird. He ground looped one last fall and did the same with the other one a couple of weeks ago. So I think that I will continue my tricycle gear 6. Thank you very much. lol
From: owner-rv6-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv6-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv6-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv6-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of David Leonard
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 9:15 AM
To: rv6-list(at)matronics.com (rv6-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Re: Converting a 6 to a 6a
In light of the rash of bent nose gear and flipped-over aircraft I just cant understand any reason for wanting to switch to tri-gear. [suspend tailwheel bravado] The RV-aircraft have got to be some of the tamest tail-wheel aircraft ever made. IMHO, the only detractor is the reduced visibility during taxi which is not a big deal. Benifits include better looks, better rough field performance, and a slight edge in speed. [resume tailwheel bravado]
Why would you ruin a perfictly good airplane with a training wheel?
--
David Leonard
Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
http://RotaryRoster.net
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 3:52 AM, Apik <lily_f(at)auswww.com (lily_f(at)auswww.com)> wrote:
--> RV6-List message posted by: "Apik" <lily_f(at)auswww.com (lily_f(at)auswww.com)>
The RV-6 made its first flight in 1985. When all the flight testing was done, Van was delighted to find that despite the wide fuselage, it was only three miles per hour slower than the RV-4! The handling qualities and STOL characteristics were so close that a pilot who could not see the altered visual picture caused by sitting off the centerline probably could not tell the RV-4 and RV-6 apart. ...here is my info about RV 6A
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228827#228827
Subscription,
://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV6-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV6-List
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Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 10:36 am Post subject: Converting a 6 to a 6a |
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The 9 that I have about 70 hours in is close to 200 total time and just a solid flyer.
From: owner-rv6-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv6-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Cudney
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 11:07 AM
To: rv6-list(at)matronics.com
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Have you checked the insurance rates for tail vs nose draggers????
Set aside the testosterone issue; let it drop.
best wishes
dave--(bet you guessed it) -RV7A, 55 hours and no ground loops or flip overs so far------------
On Feb 6, 2009, at 8:43 AM, Schroeder, Bob (Parts Clerk) wrote:
Too funny! However many bent nose gears there have been, there are only 2 kinds of tail wheel pilots. Those that have and those that will. (you know what I’m talking about) we have a local pilot that has 2 tail wheel aircraft and a tricycle gear bird. He ground looped one last fall and did the same with the other one a couple of weeks ago. So I think that I will continue my tricycle gear 6. Thank you very much. lol
From: owner-rv6-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv6-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv6-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv6-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of David Leonard
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 9:15 AM
To: rv6-list(at)matronics.com (rv6-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Re: Converting a 6 to a 6a
In light of the rash of bent nose gear and flipped-over aircraft I just cant understand any reason for wanting to switch to tri-gear. [suspend tailwheel bravado] The RV-aircraft have got to be some of the tamest tail-wheel aircraft ever made. IMHO, the only detractor is the reduced visibility during taxi which is not a big deal. Benifits include better looks, better rough field performance, and a slight edge in speed. [resume tailwheel bravado]
Why would you ruin a perfictly good airplane with a training wheel?
--
David Leonard
Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
http://RotaryRoster.net
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 3:52 AM, Apik <lily_f(at)auswww.com (lily_f(at)auswww.com)> wrote:
--> RV6-List message posted by: "Apik" <lily_f(at)auswww.com (lily_f(at)auswww.com)>
The RV-6 made its first flight in 1985. When all the flight testing was done, Van was delighted to find that despite the wide fuselage, it was only three miles per hour slower than the RV-4! The handling qualities and STOL characteristics were so close that a pilot who could not see the altered visual picture caused by sitting off the centerline probably could not tell the RV-4 and RV-6 apart. ...here is my info about RV 6A
Read this topic online here:
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Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 10:41 am Post subject: Converting a 6 to a 6a |
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Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 6:49 am Post subject: Converting a 6 to a 6a |
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Insurance rates are all about experience level (well, a little about how
much the ins company is making in the stock market at the moment).
I started flying lessons about 20 yrs ago with no desire to fly TW, then
stumbled into a great deal on a 1/3 share of a Luscombe & learned to fly
in that. I have almost no time in nosegear planes since then, & I don't
pay any more for TW RV insurance than nosewheel.
To be clear, I'm not talking about *experience*, not ability. The
underwriter just looks at numbers; he doesn't watch you (or me) fly.
Charlie
David Cudney wrote:
Quote: | Have you checked the insurance rates for tail vs nose draggers????
Set aside the testosterone issue; let it drop.
best wishes
dave--(bet you guessed it) -RV7A, 55 hours and no ground loops or flip
overs so far------------
On Feb 6, 2009, at 8:43 AM, Schroeder, Bob (Parts Clerk) wrote:
> Too funny! However many bent nose gears there have been, there are
> only 2 kinds of tail wheel pilots. Those that have and those that
> will. (you know what I’m talking about) we have a local pilot that
> has 2 tail wheel aircraft and a tricycle gear bird. He ground looped
> one last fall and did the same with the other one a couple of weeks
> ago. So I think that I will continue my tricycle gear 6. Thank you
> very much. lol
> *From:* owner-rv6-list-server(at)matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-rv6-list-server(at)matronics.com>
> [mailto:owner-rv6-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *David Leonard
> *Sent:* Friday, February 06, 2009 9:15 AM
> *To:* rv6-list(at)matronics.com <mailto:rv6-list(at)matronics.com>
> *Subject:* Re: Re: Converting a 6 to a 6a
> In light of the rash of bent nose gear and flipped-over aircraft I
> just cant understand any reason for wanting to switch to tri-gear.
> [suspend tailwheel bravado] The RV-aircraft have got to be some of
> the tamest tail-wheel aircraft ever made. IMHO, the only detractor is
> the reduced visibility during taxi which is not a big deal. Benifits
> include better looks, better rough field performance, and a slight
> edge in speed. [resume tailwheel bravado]
> Why would you ruin a perfictly good airplane with a training wheel?
>
> --
> David Leonard
>
> Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
> http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
> http://RotaryRoster.net <http://rotaryroster.net/>
>
> On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 3:52 AM, Apik <lily_f(at)auswww.com
> <mailto:lily_f(at)auswww.com>> wrote:
>
> <mailto:lily_f(at)auswww.com>>
>
> The RV-6 made its first flight in 1985. When all the flight testing
> was done, Van was delighted to find that despite the wide fuselage,
> it was only three miles per hour slower than the RV-4! The handling
> qualities and STOL characteristics were so close that a pilot who
> could not see the altered visual picture caused by sitting off the
> centerline probably could not tell the RV-4 and RV-6 apart. ...here
> is my info about RV 6A
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Ron, are you talking about grass strips when you say 'unimproved landing
areas'? You're kidding, right?
Guys, if you only fly off pavement & are happy limiting yourself to that
kind of flying, then TW really does come down to appearance & if you
don't want a TW, don't get one. On the other hand, don't be deceived
into believing you have to have the skills of Chuck Yeager or Bob Hoover
to safely fly a TW.
Charlie
See my previous post about ins.
Ron Lee wrote:
Quote: | Exactly, insurance rates will tell the truth. I know of one RV groundloop
with damage at my airport but ZERO RV tri-gear incidents. I suspect that
the fact is that the nose-overs are on unimproved landing areas. So
stay off
of them.
Ron Lee
Have you checked the insurance rates for tail vs nose draggers????
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I meant non-paved/concrete.
Ron Lee
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