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Dana

Joined: 13 Dec 2007
Posts: 1047
Location: Connecticut, USA

Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 3:51 am Post subject: INCREDIBLE engine fialure video from Florida !!!

At 04:10 AM 4/25/2009, pj.ladd wrote:



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		  Eeyikes, I get nervous flying over a town that low even underneath my 912>>



Are you allowed to do that?



Here we have had a rule about flying closer than a certain distance from 

any collection of people or overflying villages/towns etc.


	


Here (for registered aircraft) it's 500' away from any person, vessel, or 

structure when over sparsely populated areas, or 1000' high over congested 

areas.  There is an "except while taking off or landing" clause in there, 

and in one of the reports of the Florida incident I think I heard that they 

had just taken off.  Also at one point in the video the passenger asks, 

"can you make it back?" so I assume he meant the airport they had just 

taken off from.



Ultralights can't fly over a "congested area" or "assembly of persons" at 

any altitude, but other than that there is no minimum altitude or distance.



-Dana



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Ralph B

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Location: Mound Minnesota

Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 6:51 am Post subject: Re: INCREDIBLE engine fialure video from Florida !!!

 	  Dana wrote: 	
		  	
 At 04:10 AM 4/25/2009 	  Quote: 	
		   Ultralights can't fly over a "congested area" or "assembly of persons" at 

any altitude, but other than that there is no minimum altitude or distance.



-Dana 	




Dana, ultralights must abide by GA regulation too. They are not exempt from anything except a license to fly.



Ralph

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Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 7:36 am Post subject: INCREDIBLE engine fialure video from Florida !!!

Dana

Sorry,  but I think you're wrong . ALL aircraft must obey the  

altitude rules,

Russ K

On Apr 25, 2009, at 7:49 AM, Dana Hague wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 At 04:10 AM 4/25/2009, pj.ladd wrote:

> Eeyikes, I get nervous flying over a town that low even underneath  

> my 912>>

>

> Are you allowed to do that?

>

> Here we have had a rule about flying closer than a certain  

> distance from any collection of people or overflying villages/ 

> towns etc.

 Here (for registered aircraft) it's 500' away from any person,  

 vessel, or structure when over sparsely populated areas, or 1000'  

 high over congested areas.  There is an "except while taking off or  

 landing" clause in there, and in one of the reports of the Florida  

 incident I think I heard that they had just taken off.  Also at one  

 point in the video the passenger asks, "can you make it back?" so I  

 assume he meant the airport they had just taken off from.

 Ultralights can't fly over a "congested area" or "assembly of  

 persons" at any altitude, but other than that there is no minimum  

 altitude or distance.

 -Dana

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lucien

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Location: santa fe, NM

Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 8:02 am Post subject: Re: INCREDIBLE engine fialure video from Florida !!!

 	  russ(at)rkiphoto.com wrote: 	
		  Dana

Sorry,  but I think you're wrong . ALL aircraft must obey the  

altitude rules,

Russ K

	




There are additional limitations in your op limits if you're an experimental. Some planes are slap prohibited from flying over "densly populated areas" and near "congested airways" period (except for takeoff and landing), such as was the case with my FSII. This is up to the DAR who issues your op limits when you get your AW cert. 

With my FSII, I assume it had that limitation because of the 2-stroke motor, dunno.



But when I flew it here at my airport, if the tower needed me over here or over there and that was over a densely populated area, I darn sure went over here and over there anyway. I figure I was covered under "except takeoff and landing" and "must follow ATC instructions" in those cases......



LS

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Dana

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Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:47 am Post subject: INCREDIBLE engine fialure video from Florida !!!

At 10:51 AM 4/25/2009, Ralph B wrote:

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		  Dana, ultralights must abide by GA regulation too. They are not exempt from anything except a license to fly. 	


 At 11:35 AM 4/25/2009, russ kinne wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  Sorry,  but I think you're wrong . ALL aircraft must obey the altitude rules, 	


 No, Part 91 (which specifies, among other things, minimum altitude for aircraft) does NOT apply to ultralight vehicles operated under Part 103.

   § 91.1 Applicability. (a) Except as provided in paragraphs (b) and (c) of this section and §§91.701 and 91.703, this part prescribes rules governing the operation of aircraft (other than moored balloons, kites, unmanned rockets, and unmanned free balloons, which are governed by part 101 of this chapter, and ultralight vehicles operated in accordance with part 103 of this chapter) within the United States... 



  What this means is that Part 91 applies only to aircraft OTHER THAN ultralights.



 See also <http://www.fly-ul.com/faarules.html>, which includes a letter from the FAA confirming that ultralights are not subject to the GA regulations.



 -Dana



 

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Dana

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Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 2:24 pm Post subject: INCREDIBLE engine fialure video from Florida !!!

At 04:07 PM 4/25/2009, Richard Girard wrote:

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		  Of course there is the catch all 103.9:



(a) No person may operate any ultralight vehicle in a manner that creates 

a hazard to other persons or property.



And hazards, like beauty, are in the eye of the beholder.


	


Yes, that's even more vague than the definition of "congested area"!  And 

just like 91.13 ("careless or reckless operation") for GA pilots.  No 

matter what they violate you for, they always throw that one in for another 

$1000, like the proverbial cherry on top.



-Dana

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Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 8:27 am Post subject: INCREDIBLE engine fialure video from Florida !!!

Ultralights can't fly over a "congested area" or "assembly of persons" at

any altitude, but other than that there is no minimum altitude or 

distance.>>



Hurrah!  Something which we can do but you cannot. Makes a change.



We were the same as you until a couple of months ago but the micro 

organasation convinced the CAA that on the evidence we were no more likey to 

crash on a town than any other GA a/ and the CAA agreed. The restriction was 

removed.



Wonders will never cease.



Pat

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