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mr.sun
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Here's a question for you experienced DIY, experimental RV drivers. I'm having hassles getting my little oxygen bottle filled for cross country flights in my RV7. The medical folks take forever because they are used to swapping out bottles and mine has a different type of threads. The gas suppliers and welding gas shops don't want to talk to me at all. The FBO that fills it is not convenient and wants $50 just to hook it up.
My question is: Can I get the fittings to connect my little tank directly to my large oxygen bottle on my Oxy-acetelyne torch set and fill my bottle that way? (Up to the pressure of my large tank anyway) They have no problem filling/swapping that tank for me and the guy at the welding shop says the oxygen is the same anyway.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 6:23 am Post subject: Oxygen |
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It used to be that there were different grades of oxygen based on their moisture content (Aviation oxygen being the driest). That’s no longer the case. The way the oxygen is now manufactured, results in all oxygen being in the dry category. Oxygen is oxygen, so you may fill your portable bottle from your large welding bottle with little worry.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 6:32 am Post subject: Oxygen |
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Welding O2 is NOT the same as ABO..aviators breathing oxygen. ABO is much drier to make sure there is no moisture to freeze at altitude. Find a maintenance shop to fill it for you......tip the mechanic and he will fill it in 5 min.
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kahuna
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 6:42 am Post subject: Oxygen |
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Yes you can.
You just need the appropriate line.
Its a mountain high TR-875.
http://mstewart.net/super8/o2/index.htm
Enjoy
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Here's a question for you experienced DIY, experimental RV drivers. I'm having hassles getting my little oxygen bottle filled for cross country flights in my RV7. The medical folks take forever because they are used to swapping out bottles and mine has a different type of threads. The gas suppliers and welding gas shops don't want to talk to me at all. The FBO that fills it is not convenient and wants $50 just to hook it up.
My question is: Can I get the fittings to connect my little tank directly to my large oxygen bottle on my Oxy-acetelyne torch set and fill my bottle that way? (Up to the pressure of my large tank anyway) They have no problem filling/swapping that tank for me and the guy at the welding shop says the oxygen is the same anyway.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 6:42 am Post subject: Oxygen |
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Yes, many people have this setup.
N1GV (RV-6A Flying 920TTAE Silicon Valley, CA)
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| Quote: | My question is: Can I get the fittings to connect my little tank directly to my large oxygen bottle on my Oxy-acetelyne torch set and fill my bottle that way? (Up to the pressure of my large tank anyway) They have no problem filling/swapping that tank for me and the guy at the welding shop says the oxygen is the same anyway.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:13 am Post subject: Oxygen |
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Yes, you can buy an adapter. Bought mine from Aerox, about $35. I was told the only difference between the welding and medical oxygen is the cleanliness of the tanks, not the oxygen.
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[quote]Here's a question for you experienced DIY, experimental RV drivers. I'm having hassles getting my little oxygen bottle filled for cross country flights in my RV7. The medical folks take forever because they are used to swapping out bottles and mine has a different type of threads. The gas suppliers and welding gas shops don't want to talk to me at all. The FBO that fills it is not convenient and wants $50 just to hook it up.
My question is: Can I get the fittings to connect my little tank directly to my large oxygen bottle on my Oxy-acetelyne torch set and fill my bottle that way? (Up to the pressure of my large tank anyway) They have no problem filling/swapping that tank for me and the guy at the welding shop says the oxygen is the same anyway.
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Bret Smith
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:14 am Post subject: Oxygen |
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WARNING! WARNING!
The O2 filled by the welding shops is NOT filtered to remove CO and CO2! Check with local dive shops that fill scuba tanks.
Bret Smith
RV-9A N16BL
Blue Ridge, GA
www.FlightInnovations.com
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 8:11 am Post subject: Oxygen |
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You are going to get people telling you "welding" O2 is different than Aviation or medical O2. I doubt that is correct. I know someone that works at an O2 plant and they fill the medical and welding bottles from the same source. They make O2 to one standard. The only difference is when you buy "medical" O2 you get something that tells you it meets standard "X" with the other O2 you just get your O2.
Make your own informed choice but I and many others breath "welding" O2 and are not dead yet. Heck the air here in Los Angeles is probably more harmful than anything you get out of a welders tank. Just one opinion though.
You can probably save a few bucks by going to your local welding supply place to get your fittings instead of "aviation" fittings. Tank your tank down there tell them what you want to do and in a few minutes you will probabily walk out with what you need and save shipping.
Mike Divan
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From: "mr.gsun(at)gmail.com" <mr.gsun(at)gmail.com>
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 6:52:13 AM
Subject: Oxygen
Here's a question for you experienced DIY, experimental RV drivers. I'm having hassles getting my little oxygen bottle filled for cross country flights in my RV7. The medical folks take forever because they are used to swapping out bottles and mine has a different type of threads. The gas suppliers and welding gas shops don't want to talk to me at all. The FBO that fills it is not convenient and wants $50 just to hook it up.
My question is: Can I get the fittings to connect my little tank directly to my large oxygen bottle on my Oxy-acetelyne torch set and fill my bottle that way? (Up to the pressure of my large tank anyway) They have no problem filling/swapping that tank for me and the guy at the welding shop says the oxygen is the same anyway.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 8:11 am Post subject: Oxygen |
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SCUBA is compressed air, NOT O2.
Bruce
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 9:20 am Post subject: Oxygen |
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All of this to save money..... Typical GA.
Sent from my iPhoneMikey
On Apr 30, 2009, at 8:59 AM, "Bruce Gray" <Bruce(at)Glasair.org (Bruce(at)Glasair.org)> wrote:
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SCUBA is compressed air, NOT O2.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 9:52 am Post subject: Oxygen |
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You don't like to save money?
Do not archive
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 30, 2009, at 10:14 AM, Mike <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net (g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net)> wrote:
[quote]All of this to save money..... Typical GA.
Sent from my iPhoneMikey
On Apr 30, 2009, at 8:59 AM, "Bruce Gray" <[url=mailto:Bruce(at)Glasair.org]Bruce(at)Glasair.org (Bruce(at)Glasair.org)[/url]> wrote:
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SCUBA is compressed air, NOT O2.
Bruce
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 10:21 am Post subject: Oxygen |
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Not when it comes to my safety
Sent from my iPhoneMikey
On Apr 30, 2009, at 10:48 AM, Jerry Springer <jsflyrv(at)verizon.net (jsflyrv(at)verizon.net)> wrote:
[quote]You don't like to save money?
Do not archive
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 30, 2009, at 10:14 AM, Mike <[url=mailto:g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net]g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net (g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net)[/url]> wrote:
[quote]All of this to save money..... Typical GA.
Sent from my iPhoneMikey
On Apr 30, 2009, at 8:59 AM, "Bruce Gray" < (Bruce(at)Glasair.org)[url=mailto:Bruce(at)Glasair.org]Bruce(at)Glasair.org (Bruce(at)Glasair.org)[/url]> wrote:
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SCUBA is compressed air, NOT O2.
Bruce
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 10:39 am Post subject: Oxygen |
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Dana,
You must be a republican.
Sent from my iPhoneMikey
On Apr 30, 2009, at 10:56 AM, Dana Overall <bo124rs(at)hotmail.com (bo124rs(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:
[quote] Mikey with iphone, the oxygen now days is the same oxygen. Pay more for it as g4mech if you want too or just feel the need but don't trash those of us whom are correctly informed.
Typical non GA
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider "Black Magic" Flying..well sorta, useta, kinda
Barrett Precision O 360 A1A
Hartzell C2YR-1BFP/F7497-2
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMi05-WU2D0#GU5U2spHI_4
http://rvflying.tripod.com
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Subject: Re: Oxygen
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 10:14:19 -0700
All of this to save money..... Typical GA.
Sent from my iPhoneMikey
On Apr 30, 2009, at 8:59 AM, "Bruce Gray" <Bruce(at)Glasair.org (Bruce(at)Glasair.org)> wrote:
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SCUBA is compressed air, NOT O2.
Bruce
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 10:49 am Post subject: Oxygen |
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Aviation Consumer had an article in their February 2004 issue on this. As another listed posted, they found that ALL oxygen is generated to the same standard now. It's cheaper for the manufacturers that way.
The Aviation Consumer article details how to re-fill your oxygen cylinders at home. If you are a subscriber to Aviation Consumer, you can go online and do a search for this article. It's titled ROLL YOUR OWN OXYGEN.
Charlie Kuss
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[quote] From: Bret Smith <smithhb(at)tds.net>
Subject: Re: Oxygen
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 11:10 AM
WARNING! WARNING!
The O2 filled by the welding shops is NOT filtered to
remove CO and CO2! Check with local dive shops that fill
scuba tanks.
Bret Smith
RV-9A N16BL
Blue Ridge, GA
www.FlightInnovations.com
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Mikey,
Education is key to success in most fields... you may want to do a little more research to support your position.
Darrell
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--- On Thu, 4/30/09, Mike <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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From: Mike <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Oxygen
To: "rv-list(at)matronics.com" <rv-list(at)matronics.com>
Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 1:19 PM
Not when it comes to my safety
Sent from my iPhone Mikey
On Apr 30, 2009, at 10:48 AM, Jerry Springer <jsflyrv(at)verizon.net (jsflyrv(at)verizon.net)> wrote:
[quote] You don't like to save money?
Do not archive
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 30, 2009, at 10:14 AM, Mike <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net (g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net)> wrote:
[quote] All of this to save money..... Typical GA.
Sent from my iPhone Mikey
On Apr 30, 2009, at 8:59 AM, "Bruce Gray" < (Bruce(at)Glasair.org)Bruce(at)Glasair.org (Bruce(at)Glasair.org)> wrote:
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SCUBA is compressed air, NOT O2.
Bruce
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Tim Olson
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You can check out my fill setup here:
http://www.myrv10.com/tips/accessories/oxygen/index.html
I've been through my local Welding/Medical gas supply
shop many times, and have spent lots of times with various
gasses, dealing with these places for the Semiconductor
industry, the technical Mixed Gas SCUBA industry, and
welding. Indeed at least at our local center, ALL of
the oxygen filled comes off the same lines, and is
all generated from the same Liquid O2 source. There
is no CO2/C0 worry, there is no "pumping" factors to
deal with. It's just liquid O2 put into bottles, and
it's all the exact same O2. The standards that they
work under become labeling standards, and in some extreme
cases they pump the bottle to a vacuum before filling
it. I've purchased Heilum, and Oxygen, for use for
deep diving, and have spent hours and hours using
and filling oxygen for those purposes too, as Oxygen
is used in decompression stops while deep diving,
and air/oxygen mixes used for some of the other depths
and types of diving. So I had a real concern
and verified it by going there and visiting their
gas fill area personally. I'd suggest you do that
just for your own education...just tell them you're
looking at leasing welding O2 and you would like to
see how it's filled there, and then ask them what
differences they have for filling medical O2...and
if they hook up to the same supply. I'd bet yes.
That is not to say you don't need to use care in
HANDLING the Oxygen. I've personally seen O2 fires
start, and things can get out of control in a hurry.
So every single item that you're going to have O2
flowing through should be both O2 compatible and
O2 clean. This isn't anything too extrordinary...
they just must be made for the purpose and not
have any greases on them. Additionally, any time you
open an O2 bottle, do it slowly. I've felt the
air rushing out of a hose from a fast-turn-on,
and you'd be surprised at how hot it gets for
that couple seconds from adiabatic compression.
But just do it slowly, use real O2 hardware, and
you will be just fine. (oh, and don't smoke...but
if you are a pilot, you probably can't afford to both
own planes and cigarettes at the same time anyway,
so it's probably not something you need to worry about)
Leasing O2 bottles is a great way to go. Just
least at least 2, or maybe 3 if you use O2 often,
because the more bottles you have the larger the
number of totally "full" fills you can get out of
it. 2 would be good for the occasional user. 1
probably won't cut it if you really want bottles
to end up full....too much volume/pressure drop
from the first bottle. Then when one empties, just
drop it off and swap them, and they'll charge you
only for the contents...maybe $25 or so for a
huge bottle. I was lucky enough to have owned about
25 or more large storage cylinders over time, so as
I got rid of them I held on to 4 of them for use
for my O2 for my aviation filling. Then I just
got a little hardware and it's been working out
great.
There is a lot of misinformation out there, and
info that is from the old days of gasses. But just
go check it out for yourself. It's easy to
learn and understand.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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mr.gsun(at)gmail.com wrote:
| Quote: | Here's a question for you experienced DIY, experimental RV drivers.
I'm having hassles getting my little oxygen bottle filled for cross
country flights in my RV7. The medical folks take forever because they
are used to swapping out bottles and mine has a different type of
threads. The gas suppliers and welding gas shops don't want to talk to
me at all. The FBO that fills it is not convenient and wants $50 just
to hook it up.
My question is: Can I get the fittings to connect my little tank
directly to my large oxygen bottle on my Oxy-acetelyne torch set and
fill my bottle that way? (Up to the pressure of my large tank anyway)
They have no problem filling/swapping that tank for me and the guy at
the welding shop says the oxygen is the same anyway.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 11:21 am Post subject: Oxygen |
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LOL!!
Has nothing to do with safety. Kind of shows
how uninformed you are.
Your comments about someone being
being a republican are way out of line.
Do not archive
Sent from MY iPhone
On Apr 30, 2009, at 11:19 AM, Mike <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net (g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net)> wrote:
[quote]Not when it comes to my safety
Sent from my iPhoneMikey
On Apr 30, 2009, at 10:48 AM, Jerry Springer <[url=mailto:jsflyrv(at)verizon.net]jsflyrv(at)verizon.net (jsflyrv(at)verizon.net)[/url]> wrote:
[quote]You don't like to save money?
Do not archive
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 30, 2009, at 10:14 AM, Mike < (g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net)[url=mailto:g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net]g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net (g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net)[/url]> wrote:
[quote]All of this to save money..... Typical GA.
Sent from my iPhoneMikey
On Apr 30, 2009, at 8:59 AM, "Bruce Gray" < (Bruce(at)Glasair.org) (Bruce(at)Glasair.org)[url=mailto:Bruce(at)Glasair.org]Bruce(at)Glasair.org (Bruce(at)Glasair.org)[/url]> wrote:
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SCUBA is compressed air, NOT O2.
Bruce
[/url][url=http://WWW.Glasair.org]WWW.Glasair.org
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