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aarongleixner(at)sbcgloba
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I'm getting close to finishing my RV-10 and have built a bench seat in the back to fly my three young daughters at least for the next few years until they outgrow it. I called my insurance broker that is currently insuring my RV-8A, and they said there were no insurance companies willing to provide insurance for a 5 seat RV-10. Does anyone else have a 5 seat RV? Have you been able to insure a 5 seat RV? Did you register the plane as a 4 seat or a 5 seat?
Aaron
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vhicy(at)bigpond.com
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:26 pm Post subject: 5 Seat RV-10 |
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Aaron i am not sure of the rules over their however you can put 5 people in a 4 seater if the extra person is under a ...not sure it is weight or age?? So you could insure it as a 4 seater , carry the extra kid for a while anyway.
not sure this will help
Chris ICY
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dlm46007(at)cox.net
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:44 pm Post subject: 5 Seat RV-10 |
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I think this is a case of DON'T ASK DON'T TELL.
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Gleixner
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 5:16 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: 5 Seat RV-10
I'm getting close to finishing my RV-10 and have built a bench seat in the back to fly my three young daughters at least for the next few years until they outgrow it. I called my insurance broker that is currently insuring my RV-8A, and they said there were no insurance companies willing to provide insurance for a 5 seat RV-10. Does anyone else have a 5 seat RV? Have you been able to insure a 5 seat RV? Did you register the plane as a 4 seat or a 5 seat?
Aaron
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msausen
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 5:08 pm Post subject: 5 Seat RV-10 |
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I don’t agree that a bench seat automatically means it’s a 5 seat aircraft. I also don’t see that putting three kids in the back is necessarily a violation of the oplims as long as you have a way to properly restrain everyone and don’t exceed weights or CG’s. I’m sure there are people wiser than me in the regs that can chime in though, just my opinion and has no basis in legal fact. J
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Gleixner
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 5:16 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: 5 Seat RV-10
I'm getting close to finishing my RV-10 and have built a bench seat in the back to fly my three young daughters at least for the next few years until they outgrow it. I called my insurance broker that is currently insuring my RV-8A, and they said there were no insurance companies willing to provide insurance for a 5 seat RV-10. Does anyone else have a 5 seat RV? Have you been able to insure a 5 seat RV? Did you register the plane as a 4 seat or a 5 seat?
Aaron
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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 5:27 pm Post subject: 5 Seat RV-10 |
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Of course, insurance doesn't really come into play if nothing bad happens, but if it is insured as a 4-seater and it goes down (God forbid) or has some kind of problems with 5 people in it, then the insurance company could refuse coverage. In a lot of things I go with the "what they don't know can't hurt them", thing, but with insurance it may be better to self-insure as a 5-seater if you expect to fly that way a lot. I am not saying don't insure it, just that it isn't as easy as just not telling them.
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On Apr 30, 2009, at 8:42 PM, David McNeill wrote:
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Aaron Gleixner
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 5:16 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: 5 Seat RV-10
I'm getting close to finishing my RV-10 and have built a bench seat in the back to fly my three young daughters at least for the next few years until they outgrow it. I called my insurance broker that is currently insuring my RV-8A, and they said there were no insurance companies willing to provide insurance for a 5 seat RV-10. Does anyone else have a 5 seat RV? Have you been able to insure a 5 seat RV? Did you register the plane as a 4 seat or a 5 seat?
Aaron
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pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 5:47 pm Post subject: 5 Seat RV-10 |
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I'm not so sure. The Grumman-American AA-1B is registered as a 2-place
airplane, yet they sold a bench seat that went in the baggage
compartment. Limited to 80 Lbs .... the seat was 20 Lbs and the baggage
area is limited to 100 Lbs ...... if I remember correctly ..... which is
happening less often.
Linn
Jesse Saint wrote:
| Quote: | Of course, insurance doesn't really come into play if nothing bad
happens, but if it is insured as a 4-seater and it goes down (God
forbid) or has some kind of problems with 5 people in it, then the
insurance company could refuse coverage. In a lot of things I go with
the "what they don't know can't hurt them", thing, but with insurance it
may be better to self-insure as a 5-seater if you expect to fly that way
a lot. I am not saying don't insure it, just that it isn't as easy as
just not telling them.
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AV8ORJWC
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 9:17 pm Post subject: 5 Seat RV-10 |
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The question sounds like ...."Has anyone successfully gotten the FAA to approved a four POB amateur built kit single engine aircraft as a five in their Ops Limitation?"
I know of several pilots who have ignored the limitation cause the weight was within W&B and flew with five soles. The policy becomes automatically voidable. Someone should ask Sky Smith.
John Cox
From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Thu 4/30/2009 6:07 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: 5 Seat RV-10
I don’t agree that a bench seat automatically means it’s a 5 seat aircraft. I also don’t see that putting three kids in the back is necessarily a violation of the oplims as long as you have a way to properly restrain everyone and don’t exceed weights or CG’s. I’m sure there are people wiser than me in the regs that can chime in though, just my opinion and has no basis in legal fact. J
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Gleixner
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 5:16 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: 5 Seat RV-10
I'm getting close to finishing my RV-10 and have built a bench seat in the back to fly my three young daughters at least for the next few years until they outgrow it. I called my insurance broker that is currently insuring my RV-8A, and they said there were no insurance companies willing to provide insurance for a 5 seat RV-10. Does anyone else have a 5 seat RV? Have you been able to insure a 5 seat RV? Did you register the plane as a 4 seat or a 5 seat?
Aaron
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Neal.George(at)hurlburt.a
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 4:44 am Post subject: 5 Seat RV-10 |
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Maybe a good time to make a few friends in the Velocity crowd and ask a few
pointed questions.
Velocity advertizes a 5-place version of the XL. If memory serves, there is
no change to the airframe - just bucket seats out, bench seat in, add a
belt. And obey the W&B chart.
neal
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The question sounds like ...."Has anyone successfully gotten the FAA to
approved a four POB amateur built kit single engine aircraft as a five in
their Ops Limitation?"
I know of several pilots who have ignored the limitation cause the weight
was within W&B and flew with five soles. The policy becomes automatically
voidable. Someone should ask Sky Smith.
John Cox
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I don't agree that a bench seat automatically means it's a 5 seat aircraft.
I also don't see that putting three kids in the back is necessarily a
violation of the oplims as long as you have a way to properly restrain
everyone and don't exceed weights or CG's. I'm sure there are people wiser
than me in the regs that can chime in though, just my opinion and has no
basis in legal fact. J
Michael
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jump2(at)sbcglobal.net
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 5:20 am Post subject: 5 Seat RV-10 |
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You might want to read subpart B flight rules ,91.107
Patrick Thyssen
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From: David McNeill <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: RE: 5 Seat RV-10
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 7:42 PM
I think this is a case of DON'T ASK DON'T TELL.
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Gleixner
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 5:16 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: 5 Seat RV-10
I'm getting close to finishing my RV-10 and have built a bench seat in the back to fly my three young daughters at least for the next few years until they outgrow it. I called my insurance broker that is currently insuring my RV-8A, and they said there were no insurance companies willing to provide insurance for a 5 seat RV-10. Does anyone else have a 5 seat RV? Have you been able to insure a 5 seat RV? Did you register the plane as a 4 seat or a 5 seat?
Aaron
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dlm46007(at)cox.net
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 5:51 am Post subject: 5 Seat RV-10 |
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who is the manufacturer of the aircraft? who determines approved seating Certainly not Vans or the FAA
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Thyssen
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 6:18 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: 5 Seat RV-10
You might want to read subpart B flight rules ,91.107
Patrick Thyssen
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From: David McNeill <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: RE: 5 Seat RV-10
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 7:42 PM
I think this is a case of DON'T ASK DON'T TELL.
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Gleixner
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 5:16 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: 5 Seat RV-10
I'm getting close to finishing my RV-10 and have built a bench seat in the back to fly my three young daughters at least for the next few years until they outgrow it. I called my insurance broker that is currently insuring my RV-8A, and they said there were no insurance companies willing to provide insurance for a 5 seat RV-10. Does anyone else have a 5 seat RV? Have you been able to insure a 5 seat RV? Did you register the plane as a 4 seat or a 5 seat?
Aaron
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rene(at)felker.com
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 6:28 am Post subject: 5 Seat RV-10 |
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I think it is how it is registered….just my opinion……
See the number of 5 seaters…..also the number of 2 seaters?
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/acftinqSQL.asp?striptxt=RV10&mfrtxt=&modeltxt=RV-10&cmndfind.x=16&cmndfind.y=16
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 7:50 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: 5 Seat RV-10
who is the manufacturer of the aircraft? who determines approved seating Certainly not Vans or the FAA
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Thyssen
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 6:18 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: 5 Seat RV-10
You might want to read subpart B flight rules ,91.107
Patrick Thyssen
--- On Thu, 4/30/09, David McNeill <dlm46007(at)cox.net> wrote:
From: David McNeill <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: RE: 5 Seat RV-10
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 7:42 PM
I think this is a case of DON'T ASK DON'T TELL.
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Gleixner
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 5:16 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: 5 Seat RV-10
I'm getting close to finishing my RV-10 and have built a bench seat in the back to fly my three young daughters at least for the next few years until they outgrow it. I called my insurance broker that is currently insuring my RV-8A, and they said there were no insurance companies willing to provide insurance for a 5 seat RV-10. Does anyone else have a 5 seat RV? Have you been able to insure a 5 seat RV? Did you register the plane as a 4 seat or a 5 seat?
Aaron
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partner14
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 7:10 am Post subject: 5 Seat RV-10 |
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As kind of an outsider looking in, it seems that it doesn't matter at all what the FAA regs say, the insurance company will say and do whatever they want to better their position. If they can invent something that keeps them from paying off, they will.
If the only accidents we had concerning the RV10 involved pilots with hours in excess of 2,000 hours, who do you think the rate increase would fall on....... I suspect it would be the new or low time pilot.
Don
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From: Rene Felker <rene(at)felker.com>
Subject: RE: 5 Seat RV-10
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 7:27 AM
I think it is how it is registered….just my opinion……
See the number of 5 seaters…..also the number of 2 seaters?
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/acftinqSQL.asp?striptxt=RV10&mfrtxt=&modeltxt=RV-10&cmndfind.x=16&cmndfind.y=16
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 7:50 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: 5 Seat RV-10
who is the manufacturer of the aircraft? who determines approved seating Certainly not Vans or the FAA
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Thyssen
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 6:18 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: 5 Seat RV-10
You might want to read subpart B flight rules ,91.107
Patrick Thyssen
--- On Thu, 4/30/09, David McNeill <dlm46007(at)cox.net> wrote:
From: David McNeill <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: RE: 5 Seat RV-10
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 7:42 PM
I think this is a case of DON'T ASK DON'T TELL.
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Gleixner
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 5:16 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: 5 Seat RV-10
I'm getting close to finishing my RV-10 and have built a bench seat in the back to fly my three young daughters at least for the next few years until they outgrow it. I called my insurance broker that is currently insuring my RV-8A, and they said there were no insurance companies willing to provide insurance for a 5 seat RV-10. Does anyone else have a 5 seat RV? Have you been able to insure a 5 seat RV? Did you register the plane as a 4 seat or a 5 seat?
Aaron
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n223rv(at)wolflakeairport
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 7:53 am Post subject: 5 Seat RV-10 |
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I want to see that 10 seater of Mr Condrey!!!
Do not archive
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On May 1, 2009, at 10:27 AM, "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com (rene(at)felker.com)> wrote:
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I think it is how it is registered….just my opinion……
See the number of 5 seaters…..also the number of 2 seaters?
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/acftinqSQL.asp?striptxt=RV10&mfrtxt=&modeltxt=RV-10&cmndfind.x=16&cmndfind.y=16
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 7:50 AM
To: [url=mailto:rv10-list(at)matronics.com]rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)[/url]
Subject: RE: 5 Seat RV-10
who is the manufacturer of the aircraft? who determines approved seating Certainly not Vans or the FAA
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Patrick Thyssen
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To: [url=mailto:rv10-list(at)matronics.com]rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)[/url]
Subject: RE: 5 Seat RV-10
You might want to read subpart B flight rules ,91.107
Patrick Thyssen
--- On Thu, 4/30/09, David McNeill <dlm46007(at)cox.net (dlm46007(at)cox.net)> wrote:
From: David McNeill <dlm46007(at)cox.net (dlm46007(at)cox.net)>
Subject: RE: 5 Seat RV-10
To: [url=mailto:rv10-list(at)matronics.com]rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)[/url]
Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 7:42 PM
I think this is a case of DON'T ASK DON'T TELL.
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Aaron Gleixner
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To: [url=mailto:rv10-list(at)matronics.com]rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)[/url]
Subject: 5 Seat RV-10
I'm getting close to finishing my RV-10 and have built a bench seat in the back to fly my three young daughters at least for the next few years until they outgrow it. I called my insurance broker that is currently insuring my RV-8A, and they said there were no insurance companies willing to provide insurance for a 5 seat RV-10. Does anyone else have a 5 seat RV? Have you been able to insure a 5 seat RV? Did you register the plane as a 4 seat or a 5 seat?
Aaron
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bcondrey
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Pretty cool huh!
Bob
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Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 10:52 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: 5 Seat RV-10
I want to see that 10 seater of Mr Condrey!!!
Do not archive
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On May 1, 2009, at 10:27 AM, "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com (rene(at)felker.com)> wrote:
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I think it is how it is registered….just my opinion……
See the number of 5 seaters…..also the number of 2 seaters?
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/acftinqSQL.asp?striptxt=RV10&mfrtxt=&modeltxt=RV-10&cmndfind.x=16&cmndfind.y=16
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 7:50 AM
To: (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: 5 Seat RV-10
who is the manufacturer of the aircraft? who determines approved seating Certainly not Vans or the FAA
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Patrick Thyssen
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 6:18 AM
To: (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: 5 Seat RV-10
You might want to read subpart B flight rules ,91.107
Patrick Thyssen
--- On Thu, 4/30/09, David McNeill <dlm46007(at)cox.net (dlm46007(at)cox.net)> wrote:
From: David McNeill <dlm46007(at)cox.net (dlm46007(at)cox.net)>
Subject: RE: 5 Seat RV-10
To: (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 7:42 PM
I think this is a case of DON'T ASK DON'T TELL.
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Aaron Gleixner
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 5:16 PM
To: (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: 5 Seat RV-10
I'm getting close to finishing my RV-10 and have built a bench seat in the back to fly my three young daughters at least for the next few years until they outgrow it. I called my insurance broker that is currently insuring my RV-8A, and they said there were no insurance companies willing to provide insurance for a 5 seat RV-10. Does anyone else have a 5 seat RV? Have you been able to insure a 5 seat RV? Did you register the plane as a 4 seat or a 5 seat?
Aaron
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AV8ORJWC
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Still wondering if anyone got their DAR to approve 5 soles for a 4 POB kit (Who specifically?). Also wondering which insurance company accepts 5 POB regardless of being under gross weight? Testing for the approval of the kit (N410RV) was done 4 POB and not to exceed 260hp at 2700 lbs. The EAA tends to say a modification not to exceed 10% is within the Ops Limit to avoid a new Phase ONE requirement. Isn't there a disclaimer that the manufacturer did 51% of the tasks and complied with the kit (parts) fabricators FAA approval process?
There are lots of things done in the real world of a questionable ethical nature which make a policy voidable. Often the underwriter looks the other way to clear the claim when it was not blatant. The underwriter knows the claim payout is spread over the remain policy holders in the years ahead.
My cowl design should allow for angle valve Lycoming heads and roller lifters and twin turbo mods which will clearly be over the fence on the original N410RV.
Dave, you know it’s the DAR who approves the Limitations within their limited authority. It is the FAA that grants final issuance and it is the boldness of the builder/manufacturer who asks for an insurance policy to provide a financial cushion to the surviving family/estate members. Doing it and getting insurance after FAA approval is a question worth listening for the answer.
John
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Felker
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 7:27 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: 5 Seat RV-10
I think it is how it is registered….just my opinion……
See the number of 5 seaters…..also the number of 2 seaters?
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/acftinqSQL.asp?striptxt=RV10&mfrtxt=&modeltxt=RV-10&cmndfind.x=16&cmndfind.y=16
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 7:50 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: 5 Seat RV-10
who is the manufacturer of the aircraft? who determines approved seating Certainly not Vans or the FAA
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Thyssen
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 6:18 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: 5 Seat RV-10
You might want to read subpart B flight rules ,91.107
Patrick Thyssen
--- On Thu, 4/30/09, David McNeill <dlm46007(at)cox.net> wrote:
From: David McNeill <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: RE: 5 Seat RV-10
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 7:42 PM
I think this is a case of DON'T ASK DON'T TELL.
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Gleixner
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 5:16 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: 5 Seat RV-10
I'm getting close to finishing my RV-10 and have built a bench seat in the back to fly my three young daughters at least for the next few years until they outgrow it. I called my insurance broker that is currently insuring my RV-8A, and they said there were no insurance companies willing to provide insurance for a 5 seat RV-10. Does anyone else have a 5 seat RV? Have you been able to insure a 5 seat RV? Did you register the plane as a 4 seat or a 5 seat?
Aaron
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AV8ORJWC
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Maybe each cheek counts as a seat. If Bob concurs, I stand corrected on 4 Belts. Maybe Jeffrey Dennis , Ken Smith or Bob will share the accuracy of the government filing and names of both their DARs and insurance underwriters with some of us 
YES! too cool for the Young Eagle Program
John
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA)
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 9:16 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: 5 Seat RV-10
Pretty cool huh!
Bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kraus
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 10:52 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: 5 Seat RV-10
I want to see that 10 seater of Mr Condrey!!!
Do not archive
Sent from my iPhone
On May 1, 2009, at 10:27 AM, "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com (rene(at)felker.com)> wrote:
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I think it is how it is registered….just my opinion……
See the number of 5 seaters…..also the number of 2 seaters?
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/acftinqSQL.asp?striptxt=RV10&mfrtxt=&modeltxt=RV-10&cmndfind.x=16&cmndfind.y=16
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 7:50 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: 5 Seat RV-10
who is the manufacturer of the aircraft? who determines approved seating Certainly not Vans or the FAA
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Patrick Thyssen
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 6:18 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: 5 Seat RV-10
You might want to read subpart B flight rules ,91.107
Patrick Thyssen
--- On Thu, 4/30/09, David McNeill <dlm46007(at)cox.net (dlm46007(at)cox.net)> wrote:
From: David McNeill <dlm46007(at)cox.net (dlm46007(at)cox.net)>
Subject: RE: 5 Seat RV-10
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 7:42 PM
I think this is a case of DON'T ASK DON'T TELL.
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Aaron Gleixner
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 5:16 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: 5 Seat RV-10
I'm getting close to finishing my RV-10 and have built a bench seat in the back to fly my three young daughters at least for the next few years until they outgrow it. I called my insurance broker that is currently insuring my RV-8A, and they said there were no insurance companies willing to provide insurance for a 5 seat RV-10. Does anyone else have a 5 seat RV? Have you been able to insure a 5 seat RV? Did you register the plane as a 4 seat or a 5 seat?
Aaron
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bcondrey
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 9:48 am Post subject: 5 Seat RV-10 |
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Happy to share John, but will point out that the registration process is where things get fouled up – it’s the clerk that reads the info from the multi-part carbon (not kidding here) form and enters into to the DB. The DAR I used was a retired FSDO employee that does contract work for them in addition to offering DAR services. She was getting ready to head over to the UK to inspect some mods to a biz jet the week after she did my plane. The insurance paperwork simply asks for number of seats which means (to me anyway) that they care about how many seats you actually have, not how the plane is registered. You see a lot of military aeroclubs that remove a couple seats for insurance purposes since they focus mostly on flight training.
I made a call when I discovered the issue but it seems like once the info is there it’s a huge amount of effort to change. You’ll also note that the manufacturer field just has my last name even though my full name was on the form and most other planes list full names.
DAR was Donna Basgall, #DARF830505CE and my insurance is via SkySmith.
Bob
N442PM (flying for a year now!)
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cox
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 12:19 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: 5 Seat RV-10
Maybe each cheek counts as a seat. If Bob concurs, I stand corrected on 4 Belts. Maybe Jeffrey Dennis , Ken Smith or Bob will share the accuracy of the government filing and names of both their DARs and insurance underwriters with some of us
YES! too cool for the Young Eagle Program
John
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA)
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 9:16 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: 5 Seat RV-10
Pretty cool huh!
Bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kraus
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 10:52 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: 5 Seat RV-10
I want to see that 10 seater of Mr Condrey!!!
Do not archive
Sent from my iPhone
On May 1, 2009, at 10:27 AM, "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com (rene(at)felker.com)> wrote:
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I think it is how it is registered….just my opinion……
See the number of 5 seaters…..also the number of 2 seaters?
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/acftinqSQL.asp?striptxt=RV10&mfrtxt=&modeltxt=RV-10&cmndfind.x=16&cmndfind.y=16
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 7:50 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: 5 Seat RV-10
who is the manufacturer of the aircraft? who determines approved seating Certainly not Vans or the FAA
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Patrick Thyssen
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 6:18 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: 5 Seat RV-10
You might want to read subpart B flight rules ,91.107
Patrick Thyssen
--- On Thu, 4/30/09, David McNeill <dlm46007(at)cox.net (dlm46007(at)cox.net)> wrote:
From: David McNeill <dlm46007(at)cox.net (dlm46007(at)cox.net)>
Subject: RE: 5 Seat RV-10
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 7:42 PM
I think this is a case of DON'T ASK DON'T TELL.
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Aaron Gleixner
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 5:16 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: 5 Seat RV-10
I'm getting close to finishing my RV-10 and have built a bench seat in the back to fly my three young daughters at least for the next few years until they outgrow it. I called my insurance broker that is currently insuring my RV-8A, and they said there were no insurance companies willing to provide insurance for a 5 seat RV-10. Does anyone else have a 5 seat RV? Have you been able to insure a 5 seat RV? Did you register the plane as a 4 seat or a 5 seat?
Aaron
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Question, On your insurance form did they ask if you modified my plane from vans plan? Mine did and I answered accordingly. I would certainly say adding a fifth seat is a modification. or fifth seatbelt. Since every one on board has to have their own with exception of child under 2yrs.
Just my reading of FARS Not EAA.
Patrick Thyssen
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From: Condrey, Bob (US SSA) <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 12:44 PM
Happy to share John, but will point out that the registration process is where things get fouled up – it’s the clerk that reads the info from the multi-part carbon (not kidding here) form and enters into to the DB. The DAR I used was a retired FSDO employee that does contract work for them in addition to offering DAR services. She was getting ready to head over to the UK to inspect some mods to a biz jet the week after she did my plane. The insurance paperwork simply asks for number of seats which means (to me anyway) that they care about how many seats you actually have, not how the plane is registered. You see a lot of military aeroclubs that remove a couple seats for insurance purposes since they focus mostly on flight training.
I made a call when I discovered the issue but it seems like once the info is there it’s a huge amount of effort to change. You’ll also note that the manufacturer field just has my last name even though my full name was on the form and most other planes list full names.
DAR was Donna Basgall, #DARF830505CE and my insurance is via SkySmith.
Bob
N442PM (flying for a year now!)
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cox
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 12:19 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: 5 Seat RV-10
Maybe each cheek counts as a seat. If Bob concurs, I stand corrected on 4 Belts. Maybe Jeffrey Dennis , Ken Smith or Bob will share the accuracy of the government filing and names of both their DARs and insurance underwriters with some of us
YES! too cool for the Young Eagle Program
John
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA)
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 9:16 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: 5 Seat RV-10
Pretty cool huh!
Bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kraus
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 10:52 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
I want to see that 10 seater of Mr Condrey!!!
Do not archive
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On May 1, 2009, at 10:27 AM, "Rene Felker" <[url=/mc/compose?to=rene(at)felker.com]rene(at)felker.com[/url]> wrote:
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I think it is how it is registered….just my opinion……
See the number of 5 seaters…..also the number of 2 seaters?
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/acftinqSQL.asp?striptxt=RV10&mfrtxt=&modeltxt=RV-10&cmndfind.x=16&cmndfind.y=16
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
From: mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 7:50 AM
To: [url=/mc/compose?to=rv10-list(at)matronics.com]rv10-list(at)matronics.com[/url]
Subject: RE: 5 Seat RV-10
who is the manufacturer of the aircraft? who determines approved seating Certainly not Vans or the FAA
From: mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Patrick Thyssen
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 6:18 AM
To: [url=/mc/compose?to=rv10-list(at)matronics.com]rv10-list(at)matronics.com[/url]
Subject: RE: 5 Seat RV-10
You might want to read subpart B flight rules ,91.107
Patrick Thyssen
--- On Thu, 4/30/09, David McNeill <[url=/mc/compose?to=dlm46007(at)cox.net]dlm46007(at)cox.net[/url]> wrote:
From: David McNeill <[url=/mc/compose?to=dlm46007(at)cox.net]dlm46007(at)cox.net[/url]>
Subject: RE: 5 Seat RV-10
To: [url=/mc/compose?to=rv10-list(at)matronics.com]rv10-list(at)matronics.com[/url]
Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 7:42 PM
I think this is a case of DON'T ASK DON'T TELL.
From: mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Aaron Gleixner
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 5:16 PM
To: [url=/mc/compose?to=rv10-list(at)matronics.com]rv10-list(at)matronics.com[/url]
Subject: 5 Seat RV-10
I'm getting close to finishing my RV-10 and have built a bench seat in the back to fly my three young daughters at least for the next few years until they outgrow it. I called my insurance broker that is currently insuring my RV-8A, and they said there were no insurance companies willing to provide insurance for a 5 seat RV-10. Does anyone else have a 5 seat RV? Have you been able to insure a 5 seat RV? Did you register the plane as a 4 seat or a 5 seat?
Aaron
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bcondrey
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Sorry, don’t remember the exact question. Not a factor for me since I’ve got the stock seat configuration.
Bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Thyssen
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 3:27 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: 5 Seat RV-10
Question, On your insurance form did they ask if you modified my plane from vans plan? Mine did and I answered accordingly. I would certainly say adding a fifth seat is a modification. or fifth seatbelt. Since every one on board has to have their own with exception of child under 2yrs.
Just my reading of FARS Not EAA.
Patrick Thyssen
--- On Fri, 5/1/09, Condrey, Bob (US SSA) <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com> wrote:
From: Condrey, Bob (US SSA) <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com>
Subject: RE: 5 Seat RV-10
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 12:44 PM
Happy to share John, but will point out that the registration process is where things get fouled up – it’s the clerk that reads the info from the multi-part carbon (not kidding here) form and enters into to the DB. The DAR I used was a retired FSDO employee that does contract work for them in addition to offering DAR services. She was getting ready to head over to the UK to inspect some mods to a biz jet the week after she did my plane. The insurance paperwork simply asks for number of seats which means (to me anyway) that they care about how many seats you actually have, not how the plane is registered. You see a lot of military aeroclubs that remove a couple seats for insurance purposes since they focus mostly on flight training.
I made a call when I discovered the issue but it seems like once the info is there it’s a huge amount of effort to change. You’ll also note that the manufacturer field just has my last name even though my full name was on the form and most other planes list full names.
DAR was Donna Basgall, #DARF830505CE and my insurance is via SkySmith.
Bob
N442PM (flying for a year now!)
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 1:14 pm Post subject: 5 Seat RV-10 |
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Thats ok I was just putting it out there for the group to think. I also have 4 seats but wanted 12500lbs just to see what they would do, but did not want to have to get another type rating,& Hassle with big brother. so I just said 2800lbs. I got my insurance for $2400 for 150k hull and rest is usual. Eaa falconcrest group.
Crazy thing is I got my C-310 for $2370 for the same coverage. go figure.
Patrick Thyssen
--- On Fri, 5/1/09, Condrey, Bob (US SSA) <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com> wrote:
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From: Condrey, Bob (US SSA) <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com>
Subject: RE: 5 Seat RV-10
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 3:39 PM
Sorry, don’t remember the exact question. Not a factor for me since I’ve got the stock seat configuration.
Bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Thyssen
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 3:27 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: 5 Seat RV-10
Question, On your insurance form did they ask if you modified my plane from vans plan? Mine did and I answered accordingly. I would certainly say adding a fifth seat is a modification. or fifth seatbelt. Since every one on board has to have their own with exception of child under 2yrs.
Just my reading of FARS Not EAA.
Patrick Thyssen
--- On Fri, 5/1/09, Condrey, Bob ( US SSA) <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com> wrote:
From: Condrey, Bob (US SSA) <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com>
Subject: RE: 5 Seat RV-10
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 12:44 PM
Happy to share John, but will point out that the registration process is where things get fouled up – it’s the clerk that reads the info from the multi-part carbon (not kidding here) form and enters into to the DB. The DAR I used was a retired FSDO employee that does contract work for them in addition to offering DAR services. She was getting ready to head over to the UK to inspect some mods to a biz jet the week after she did my plane. The insurance paperwork simply asks for number of seats which means (to me anyway) that they care about how many seats you actually have, not how the plane is registered. You see a lot of military aeroclubs that remove a couple seats for insurance purposes since they focus mostly on flight training.
I made a call when I discovered the issue but it seems like once the info is there it’s a huge amount of effort to change. You’ll also note that the manufacturer field just has my last name even though my full name was on the form and most other planes list full names.
DAR was Donna Basgall, #DARF830505CE and my insurance is via SkySmith.
Bob
N442PM (flying for a year now!)
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