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ixb(at)videotron.ca
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 Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 11:24 am Post subject: Ground Power Receptacle? |
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Having spent the last couple of weeks needing to repeatedly recharge my
RV-9A battery, I can say that an external charging receptacle would have
made my life a lot easier.
Can anyone tell me the best receptacle to use, that would be the most
standard? Can you also suggest a good source?
While not planning to fly away on an almost dead battery, I do envisage
moments when it would be useful to start from ground power, and then do
some charging direct from the alternator. I'd imagine that flying
locally would be fairly safe while the battery is being topped up, as
long as your whole panel doesn't shut down if you lose battery.
Ian Brown
Bromont
Quebec
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nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect
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| Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 7:01 pm Post subject: Ground Power Receptacle? |
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At 02:16 PM 5/10/2009, you wrote:
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Having spent the last couple of weeks needing to repeatedly recharge my
RV-9A battery, I can say that an external charging receptacle would have
made my life a lot easier.
Can anyone tell me the best receptacle to use, that would be the most
standard? Can you also suggest a good source?
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The "military style" 3-prong race-track shaped connector
is common to all bizjets and cabin class aircraft. It's
the connector we used at Cessna on all single engine aircraft
too. I think Piper was the first to adapt the single
terminal high current truck connector to aircraft. It
was lighter, smaller, MUCH less expensive. The "Piper"
style connector found its way onto a number of smaller
Beech airplanes.
Either connector will be found on the FBO ramps.
Having said that, YOU are the one most likely to use
jumpers on your airplane so carrying a set of automotive
jumpers (4AWG) fitted with the Piper plug on one end and
big battery clips on the other is probably the most
practical for weight and cost.
| Quote: | While not planning to fly away on an almost dead battery, I do envisage
moments when it would be useful to start from ground power, and then do
some charging direct from the alternator. I'd imagine that flying
locally would be fairly safe while the battery is being topped up, as
long as your whole panel doesn't shut down if you lose battery.
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Lycoming alternator installations with small pulleys
will generally recharge a 17 a.h. battery in about
30 minutes or less. If the anticipated flight is
day vfr then by the time you get off the ground after
jump-starting the airplane, the battery should be
carrying a substantial charge . . . besides, you always
fly with these guys too . . . no?
http://aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Misc/Vacination_for_Dark_Panel_Syndrom.pdf
Bob . . .
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bakerocb
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Posts: 727
Location: FAIRFAX VA
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| Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 4:55 pm Post subject: Ground Power Receptacle? |
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5/11/2009
Hello Ian, You wrote:
1) "Having spent the last couple of weeks needing to repeatedly recharge my
RV-9A battery,........"
What is abnormal about either your system or your mode of operation that
causes this repeat problem? If there is a fundamental fault in either of
those two areas maybe a fault correction approach rather than an external
charging receptacle band-aid should be considered.
2) "......I can say that an external charging receptacle would have made my
life a lot easier."
Realize that external charging receptacles can come in two different
flavors:
A) A simple low amperage connection system going directly to the battery
that is suitable for connecting a 120 volt input, low amperage output
battery charger / maintainer for just the purpose of recharging /
maintaining the battery.
B) A more elaborate high amperage system that would facilitate cranking the
engine as well as recharging the battery with maybe some additional features
such as reverse voltage protection.
3) "Can anyone tell me the best receptacle to use, that would be the most
standard?"
You would have to decide whether you wanted an A or a B solution in order to
answer the "best" question.
If an A solution satisfies your needs then there are dozens of choices -- it
only requires two wires with some simplistic polarity protection. I have
operated for several years now with just two wires coming directly from my
battery up to the cockpit area. One wire is terminated with a female, fully
insulated, Faston type connector, the other wire is terminated with a male,
fully insulated, Faston type connector. The wires are just tucked out of the
way when not in use. See:
http://www.terminaltown.com/Pages/Page9.html
My battery charger clip ons have been modified with the appropriate stub
wires and Faston type connectors added. One benefit of this system is that I
can connect it up and then attach a volt meter to the charger clips. It
tells me what the battery voltage is. Then I can plug in the charger and
monitor the charging voltage -- very handy.
If only a B solution will satisfy you then look to Bob Nuckoll's published
material on this subject. The most commonly found receptacle and plug
arrangement found at FBO's is the three prong. See here:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/extpowerrect.php
The next most commonly found is the Piper receptacle and plug arrangement.**
See here:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/piperplugsock.php
BUT there is a major "gotcha" that you must be aware of if you have a 12
volt aircraft electrical system and you install one of the above
receptacles -- some ground power carts with the above plugs will only put
out 24 volts. If you zap your 12 volt system with 24 volts you will suffer
damage.
'OC' Says: "The best investment we can make is the effort to gather and
understand knowledge."
**PS: There is also a single center post receptacle and plug system similar
in apprearance to the Piper system, but not compatible, that is found on
some Beechcraft airplanes. Very unlikely to find a ground power cart with a
plug compatible with this odd ball receptacle.
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Time: 12:24:10 PM PST US
Subject: Ground Power Receptacle?
From: Ian <ixb(at)videotron.ca>
Having spent the last couple of weeks needing to repeatedly recharge my
RV-9A battery, I can say that an external charging receptacle would have
made my life a lot easier.
Can anyone tell me the best receptacle to use, that would be the most
standard? Can you also suggest a good source?
While not planning to fly away on an almost dead battery, I do envisage
moments when it would be useful to start from ground power, and then do
some charging direct from the alternator. I'd imagine that flying
locally would be fairly safe while the battery is being topped up, as
long as your whole panel doesn't shut down if you lose battery.
Ian Brown
Bromont
Quebec
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ixb(at)videotron.ca
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| Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 5:15 am Post subject: Ground Power Receptacle? |
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Thanks. Of course my main effort here is to fix the reason for my lack
of charging, which you would have seen in another post.
I like "B" since it can serve both purposes, and RV's are a bit
inaccessible when buttoned up. I do actually have "A" already. I have
a little trickle charger/conditioner that came with a connector that is
mounted permanently and accessible through my engine oil check hatch.
Bob Nuckolls suggested that the Piper connector is relatively common -
there are LOTS of Piper aircraft around so I'll probably go with the
significantly less expensive Piper connectors, and make sure to put some
good "12V ONLY" labeling next to the connector.
Thanks to all who responded.
On Mon, 2009-05-11 at 20:53 -0400, bakerocb(at)cox.net wrote:
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5/11/2009
Hello Ian, You wrote:
1) "Having spent the last couple of weeks needing to repeatedly recharge my
RV-9A battery,........"
What is abnormal about either your system or your mode of operation that
causes this repeat problem? If there is a fundamental fault in either of
those two areas maybe a fault correction approach rather than an external
charging receptacle band-aid should be considered.
2) "......I can say that an external charging receptacle would have made my
life a lot easier."
Realize that external charging receptacles can come in two different
flavors:
A) A simple low amperage connection system going directly to the battery
that is suitable for connecting a 120 volt input, low amperage output
battery charger / maintainer for just the purpose of recharging /
maintaining the battery.
B) A more elaborate high amperage system that would facilitate cranking the
engine as well as recharging the battery with maybe some additional features
such as reverse voltage protection.
3) "Can anyone tell me the best receptacle to use, that would be the most
standard?"
You would have to decide whether you wanted an A or a B solution in order to
answer the "best" question.
If an A solution satisfies your needs then there are dozens of choices -- it
only requires two wires with some simplistic polarity protection. I have
operated for several years now with just two wires coming directly from my
battery up to the cockpit area. One wire is terminated with a female, fully
insulated, Faston type connector, the other wire is terminated with a male,
fully insulated, Faston type connector. The wires are just tucked out of the
way when not in use. See:
http://www.terminaltown.com/Pages/Page9.html
My battery charger clip ons have been modified with the appropriate stub
wires and Faston type connectors added. One benefit of this system is that I
can connect it up and then attach a volt meter to the charger clips. It
tells me what the battery voltage is. Then I can plug in the charger and
monitor the charging voltage -- very handy.
If only a B solution will satisfy you then look to Bob Nuckoll's published
material on this subject. The most commonly found receptacle and plug
arrangement found at FBO's is the three prong. See here:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/extpowerrect.php
The next most commonly found is the Piper receptacle and plug arrangement.**
See here:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/piperplugsock.php
BUT there is a major "gotcha" that you must be aware of if you have a 12
volt aircraft electrical system and you install one of the above
receptacles -- some ground power carts with the above plugs will only put
out 24 volts. If you zap your 12 volt system with 24 volts you will suffer
damage.
'OC' Says: "The best investment we can make is the effort to gather and
understand knowledge."
**PS: There is also a single center post receptacle and plug system similar
in apprearance to the Piper system, but not compatible, that is found on
some Beechcraft airplanes. Very unlikely to find a ground power cart with a
plug compatible with this odd ball receptacle.
=========================================================
Time: 12:24:10 PM PST US
Subject: Ground Power Receptacle?
From: Ian <ixb(at)videotron.ca>
Having spent the last couple of weeks needing to repeatedly recharge my
RV-9A battery, I can say that an external charging receptacle would have
made my life a lot easier.
Can anyone tell me the best receptacle to use, that would be the most
standard? Can you also suggest a good source?
While not planning to fly away on an almost dead battery, I do envisage
moments when it would be useful to start from ground power, and then do
some charging direct from the alternator. I'd imagine that flying
locally would be fairly safe while the battery is being topped up, as
long as your whole panel doesn't shut down if you lose battery.
Ian Brown
Bromont
Quebec
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icubob(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 10:24 am Post subject: Ground Power Receptacle? |
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i used to own a piper and also worked for a moving company. soooooooooooooo i know the plug from piper and for a semi trailer are the same. but a trailer shop can probably supply it for 1/3 the cost. this if an aux. supply, not the trailer lights.
bob noffs
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 7:50 AM, Ian <ixb(at)videotron.ca (ixb(at)videotron.ca)> wrote:
[quote]--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Ian <ixb(at)videotron.ca (ixb(at)videotron.ca)>
Thanks. Of course my main effort here is to fix the reason for my lack
of charging, which you would have seen in another post.
I like "B" since it can serve both purposes, and RV's are a bit
inaccessible when buttoned up. I do actually have "A" already. I have
a little trickle charger/conditioner that came with a connector that is
mounted permanently and accessible through my engine oil check hatch.
Bob Nuckolls suggested that the Piper connector is relatively common -
there are LOTS of Piper aircraft around so I'll probably go with the
significantly less expensive Piper connectors, and make sure to put some
good "12V ONLY" labeling next to the connector.
Thanks to all who responded.
On Mon, 2009-05-11 at 20:53 -0400, bakerocb(at)cox.net (bakerocb(at)cox.net) wrote:
| Quote: | 5/11/2009
Hello Ian, You wrote:
1) "Having spent the last couple of weeks needing to repeatedly recharge my
RV-9A battery,........"
What is abnormal about either your system or your mode of operation that
> causes this repeat problem? If there is a fundamental fault in either of
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| Quote: | those two areas maybe a fault correction approach rather than an external
charging receptacle band-aid should be considered.
>
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| Quote: | 2) "......I can say that an external charging receptacle would have made my
life a lot easier."
Realize that external charging receptacles can come in two different
flavors:
>
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| Quote: | A) A simple low amperage connection system going directly to the battery
that is suitable for connecting a 120 volt input, low amperage output
battery charger / maintainer for just the purpose of recharging /
> maintaining the battery.
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| Quote: |
B) A more elaborate high amperage system that would facilitate cranking the
engine as well as recharging the battery with maybe some additional features
such as reverse voltage protection.
>
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| Quote: | 3) "Can anyone tell me the best receptacle to use, that would be the most
standard?"
You would have to decide whether you wanted an A or a B solution in order to
answer the "best" question.
>
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| Quote: | If an A solution satisfies your needs then there are dozens of choices -- it
only requires two wires with some simplistic polarity protection. I have
operated for several years now with just two wires coming directly from my
> battery up to the cockpit area. One wire is terminated with a female, fully
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| Quote: | insulated, Faston type connector, the other wire is terminated with a male,
fully insulated, Faston type connector. The wires are just tucked out of the
> way when not in use. See:
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| Quote: | can connect it up and then attach a volt meter to the charger clips. It
tells me what the battery voltage is. Then I can plug in the charger and
> monitor the charging voltage -- very handy.
|
| Quote: |
If only a B solution will satisfy you then look to Bob Nuckoll's published
material on this subject. The most commonly found receptacle and plug
> arrangement found at FBO's is the three prong. See here:
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| Quote: | BUT there is a major "gotcha" that you must be aware of if you have a 12
volt aircraft electrical system and you install one of the above
receptacles -- some ground power carts with the above plugs will only put
> out 24 volts. If you zap your 12 volt system with 24 volts you will suffer
|
| Quote: | damage.
'OC' Says: "The best investment we can make is the effort to gather and
understand knowledge."
>
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| Quote: | **PS: There is also a single center post receptacle and plug system similar
in apprearance to the Piper system, but not compatible, that is found on
some Beechcraft airplanes. Very unlikely to find a ground power cart with a
> plug compatible with this odd ball receptacle.
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| Quote: |
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Time: 12:24:10 PM PST US
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Ground Power Receptacle?
> From: Ian <ixb(at)videotron.ca (ixb(at)videotron.ca)>
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Having spent the last couple of weeks needing to repeatedly recharge my
RV-9A battery, I can say that an external charging receptacle would have
> made my life a lot easier.
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| Quote: |
Can anyone tell me the best receptacle to use, that would be the most
standard? Can you also suggest a good source?
While not planning to fly away on an almost dead battery, I do envisage
> moments when it would be useful to start from ground power, and then do
|
| Quote: | some charging direct from the alternator. I'd imagine that flying
locally would be fairly safe while the battery is being topped up, as
> long as your whole panel doesn't shut down if you lose battery.
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Ian Brown
Bromont
Quebec
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| Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 12:44 pm Post subject: Ground Power Receptacle? |
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This is available from just about any auto parts store.
Cole Hersey is the manufacturer.
Socket is 11041. Plug is 11042. Durable, lightweight and inexpensive. I have one on my beast.
Ben Haas
N801BH
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bakerocb
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| Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 3:11 am Post subject: Ground Power Receptacle? |
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5/13/2009
Hello Ian, You wrote: ".......and make sure to put some good "12V ONLY"
labeling next to the connector."
That should work until you encounter the same line boy, or his cousin, that
recently refueled a recip powered twin engine airplane with jet fuel which
caused a crash shortly after take off.
'OC' Says: "The best investment we can make is the effort to gather and
understand knowledge."
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Time: 06:15:59 AM PST US
Subject: Re: Ground Power Receptacle?
From: Ian <ixb(at)videotron.ca>
Thanks. Of course my main effort here is to fix the reason for my lack
of charging, which you would have seen in another post.
I like "B" since it can serve both purposes, and RV's are a bit
inaccessible when buttoned up. I do actually have "A" already. I have
a little trickle charger/conditioner that came with a connector that is
mounted permanently and accessible through my engine oil check hatch.
Bob Nuckolls suggested that the Piper connector is relatively common -
there are LOTS of Piper aircraft around so I'll probably go with the
significantly less expensive Piper connectors, and make sure to put some
good "12V ONLY" labeling next to the connector.
Thanks to all who responded.
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nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect
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| Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 4:33 am Post subject: Ground Power Receptacle? |
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At 03:38 PM 5/12/2009, you wrote:
| Quote: | This is available from just about any auto parts store.
Cole Hersey is the manufacturer.
Socket is 11041. Plug is 11042. Durable, lightweight and inexpensive. I have one on my beast.
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Yes, the ground power connection article I published
goes to modifications of the 11041 socket to turn
the rear wire connection into a threaded stud as opposed
to a mash-n-squash termination.
Piper bought their parts from Cole-Hersee but I've
never seen how Piper (or others) have treated
the wire attachment.
[img]cid:7.1.0.9.0.20090513072517.0036fc40(at)aeroelectric.com.0[/img]
A few years ago, I saw this style connector with a
threaded stud already supplied. Don't know who made
it and I've not been able to locate it in any
C-H literature . . .
But agreed . . . don't buy these parts from a Piper dealer.
By the way, C-H has a new catalog you can download
from:
http://tinyurl.com/opdey3
Bob . . .
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