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bruce(at)whiteantelopesof
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 2:04 pm Post subject: [aviation] RE: Ready to start project

Just a couple comments...






-	The XL have better performance.



If by performance you mean cruise speed, then true.  An HD will likely have

better short field t/o and landing performance, a higher service ceiling and

better climb rate.  All planes are compromises 



-	Header tank make for easy wing removal and

reattachment but wing tank are safer. Im uneasy to

the idea of a gasoline tank over my feet.



You can get wing tanks and do away with the header tank on any of the 601

models.



-	Im 6 with disproportional long legs, the XL have

better leg room.



There is an option to build the 601HD/HDS 2" longer.  I believe this is

standard on the XL.



  -Bruce/601HD/TDO/Stratus/487.2 hrs



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Bruce Bockius

Black Forest, CO, USA

bruce(at)WhiteAntelopeSoftware.com

http://www.WhiteAntelopeSoftware.com/zodiac

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p.mulwitz(at)worldnet.att
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 3:07 pm Post subject: [aviation] RE: Ready to start project

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		  There is an option to build the 601HD/HDS 2" longer.  I believe this is

standard on the XL.


	


Actually, according to ZAC's web pages, the XL is a full 12 inches 

longer than the HD/HDS.



Paul

XL wings

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JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 5:30 pm Post subject: [aviation] RE: Ready to start project

Another point of concern I have heard from several fellows with the header 

tank is it makes it real crowded for the rear of instruments and cables and such 

that have to butt up to the tank. On my XL without a header tank it's pretty 

full with only VFR. I can't imagine the extra effort if I had a header tank in 

the way. FWIW, Bill

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bill_dom(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 6:26 am Post subject: [aviation] RE: Ready to start project

--- Bruce Bockius <bruce(at)whiteantelopesoftware.com>

wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 -	Header tank make for easy wing removal and

 reattachment but wing tank are safer. Im uneasy to

 the idea of a gasoline tank over my feet.

 

 You can get wing tanks and do away with the header

 tank on any of the 601

 models.

 


	


Yes but, having an HD with wing tanks make more

difficult the removal and re-attachment of the wing.

So  this advantage the HD has over the XL (rigging

without connecting fuel lines) gets defeated. 



William Dominguez

Plansbuilt 601XL 

Working on bending brake

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frank.hinde(at)hp.com
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:39 am Post subject: [aviation] RE: Ready to start project

For me pesonally I could not put the header tank in



One other consideration...A header tank makes the fuel system less prone

to vapour lock due to the gravity head of the tank up high.



If you have wing tanks only you need to give this careful consideration

when building your fuel system.



Frank



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JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 9:31 am Post subject: [aviation] RE: Ready to start project

William, I attached and removed my wings a half dozen times each before final 

and the XL wing for fuel is only one hose clamp. the whole wing is but seven 

bolts, whatever wire connector for lights, fuel sender, trim, hose for pitot, 

cables for aileron and the clamp for the fuel line. Never took off an HDS or 

HD wing, but doesn't it also have a wind fairing of sort that covers the 

intersection that has to be removed ? FWIW, Bill of Georgia

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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 7:04 pm Post subject: [aviation] RE: Ready to start project

Bill, thanks for that info, how long does it take to

rig and de-rig the wings? including

attaching/detaching the aileron cables and not

including emptying the fuel tanks.



William Dominguez

Plansbuilt 601XL

Working on bending brake



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 JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com

 

 William, I attached and removed my wings a half

 dozen times each before final 

 and the XL wing for fuel is only one hose clamp. the

 whole wing is but seven 

 bolts, whatever wire connector for lights, fuel

 sender, trim, hose for pitot, 

 cables for aileron and the clamp for the fuel line.

 Never took off an HDS or 

 HD wing, but doesn't it also have a wind fairing of

 sort that covers the 

 intersection that has to be removed ? FWIW, Bill of

 Georgia

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Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:55 am Post subject: [aviation] RE: Ready to start project

William, just a guess, but a couple fellows could do a wing in 20 minutes or 

so, maybe. Easy that if they have done it before, longer if they are newbees. 

Removing the six main bolts always required me to half stand on my head to get 

in there and the rear spar bolt has to have a second helper to install and 

remove. I have installed a wing by myself with saw horse help and plenty of 

care, (a beast to do and never recommend to anyone), but the rear spar bolt and 

wing adjustment requires a second hand to complete. You cannot be under the wing 

at the fuselage and at the wing tip at the same time. As you build, maneuver, 

hold and move the pieces and they keep getting bigger and heavier you develop 

techniques to build alone (though I always welcomed company and maintained a 

generous supply of cold adult beverage in the shop refrigerator for 

lubrication of guests) because most of the time there just isn't anybody around when you 

need them. I have an annual coming up in May, but I do not plan to remove the 

wings. I will remove several main bolts from each side and inspect with magna 

stain for stress cracks before retorking all, but I do not plan to remove the 

wings again. FWIW, best regards, Bill of Georgia N505WP 601XL-3300w/dc

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Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 11:14 am Post subject: [aviation] RE: Ready to start project

Thanks for the info.



William Dominguez

Plansbuilt 601XL

Working on bending brake



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--- JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com

 

 William, just a guess, but a couple fellows could do

 a wing in 20 minutes or 

 so, maybe. Easy that if they have done it before,

 longer if they are newbees. 

 Removing the six main bolts always required me to

 half stand on my head to get 

 in there and the rear spar bolt has to have a second

 helper to install and 

 remove. I have installed a wing by myself with saw

 horse help and plenty of 

 care, (a beast to do and never recommend to anyone),

 but the rear spar bolt and 

 wing adjustment requires a second hand to complete.

 You cannot be under the wing 

 at the fuselage and at the wing tip at the same

 time. As you build, maneuver, 

 hold and move the pieces and they keep getting

 bigger and heavier you develop 

 techniques to build alone (though I always welcomed

 company and maintained a 

 generous supply of cold adult beverage in the shop

 refrigerator for 

 lubrication of guests) because most of the time

 there just isn't anybody around when you 

 need them. I have an annual coming up in May, but I

 do not plan to remove the 

 wings. I will remove several main bolts from each

 side and inspect with magna 

 stain for stress cracks before retorking all, but I

 do not plan to remove the 

 wings again. FWIW, best regards, Bill of Georgia

 N505WP 601XL-3300w/dc

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