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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 6:11 pm    Post subject: Kitfox - how high have you gone ? Reply with quote

Took mine to 15k today and it was still going. Maybe I take a bottle next time and see higher . non turbo 582 whoa !!


I created one here http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=122

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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 8:52 pm    Post subject: Kitfox - how high have you gone ? Reply with quote

My Model IV Speedster with a 912ul (80 hp) goes right up to 18k--no problem. Also helps that I start at 5600 ft. and I'm used to the altitude.

Stan Specht
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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 5:38 am    Post subject: Re: Kitfox - how high have you gone ? Reply with quote

If I drew the graph from my flight test rate of climb data correctly, the service ceiling with my little engine is just a hair over 12,000. Some day I'll have a big motor like the rest of you guys. do not archive

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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 8:09 am    Post subject: Kitfox - how high have you gone ? Reply with quote

Almost 14,000 ft with my Kitfox Classic IV Rotax 912-S in a very turbulent day. I didn´t try to get higher as I was in a cross country.

Franicisco Icaza.
Mexico City

--- El mar 19-may-09, Tom Jones <nahsikhs(at)elltel.net> escribió:

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De:: Tom Jones <nahsikhs(at)elltel.net>
Asunto: Re: Kitfox - how high have you gone ?
A: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Fecha: martes 19 de mayo de 2009, 8:38

--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs(at)elltel.net (nahsikhs(at)elltel.net)>

If I drew the graph from my flight test rate of climb data correctly, the service ceiling with my little engine is just a hair over 12,000. Some day I'll have a big motor like the rest of you guys. do not archive

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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 12:40 pm    Post subject: Kitfox - how high have you gone ? Reply with quote

At 07:11 PM 5/18/2009, you wrote:
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Took mine to 15k today and it was still going. Maybe I take a
bottle next time and see higher . non turbo 582 whoa !!

Wow, you're good. I can only get mine to 12.5k. Of course, with a
little mountain wave. . .
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 300 hrs. and counting

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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 10:12 pm    Post subject: Kitfox - how high have you gone ? Reply with quote

Quote:
Took mine to 15k today and it was still going. Maybe I take a
bottle next time and see higher . non turbo 582 whoa !!

My 912S-powered Model IV with Ivo in-flight adjustable prop made it
to 17,500 (a density altitude of 19,200) and it was still climbing
300 feet per minute. The airplane was not instrument capable so I
had to stop there.

Mike G.
N728KF, Kitfox IV-1200 Speedster
Phoenix, AZ


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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 11:51 pm    Post subject: Kitfox - how high have you gone ? Reply with quote

Hello guys
Showing off with lots of altitude make no sense at all. The only real
number is the service ceiling as defined and with MTOM. Sorry to be so
blunt.

Heinz Lang
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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 1:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Kitfox - how high have you gone ? Reply with quote

hlang(at)bluewin.ch wrote:
Hello guys
Showing off with lots of altitude make no sense at all. The only real
number is the service ceiling as defined and with MTOM. Sorry to be so
blunt.

Heinz Lang
Kitfox IV-1200
R582


I could not disagree more, there are so many differences in Kitfoxes, that maximum altitude will vary greatly. I don't give (at)#%(at) what some definition somewhere says, the only number important to me is what my plane will actually do... And its fun to compare the highest altitudes, highest speeds, etc. etc. people have been doing that for a hundred years with their airplanes. Human nature is to see how high something will actually go, or how fast they can make it go... When people ask me about my planes, they ask " how high it will go ? ", not some garbage about definitions and service ceilings. Ever heard of racing, its a popular sport based on maximum performance of machines, not definitions Laughing

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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 9:53 pm    Post subject: Kitfox - how high have you gone ? Reply with quote

Be blunt, but you're missing out! Fly the airplane!


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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 10:53 pm    Post subject: Kitfox - how high have you gone ? Reply with quote

I put in the data for a Kitfox 1200 65 hp in my propeller program, it is
using a curve for 4-stroke engine when it come to altitude performance, I
don't know if the 2-stroke is different in loosing power with alt. but any
way.

where it climb 100 fpm is said to be practical ceiling

assuming it will do 102 mph at sea level WOT, (drag calc) it will reach
almost 12000´ (Climbing 100 fpm) this at MTOW 1200 lbs.

with TOW 1000 lbs it will reach 16000´ (climb 100 fpm)

with 80 HP (max speed 108.6 mph) it will go to 15000´ at 1200 lb
and 19000´ at 1000 lb

max alt will be 3000 feet higher, (where it "climb" at 0 fpm) it will take
60 min to climb the last 3000 feet!

this is theory and it use a standard atmosphere,
and differences in aircraft drag have big influence at alt, where power is
limited, ( at 15000´ power is 55%)
less drag and there is more power leftover for climb.

Jan
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