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psm(at)att.net
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 Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 7:19 am Post subject: I got Zbagged three times on Friday - Flight Report. |
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So, Scott, did you learn anything from your great experience?
Let me guess . . . You and a few other folks with vested interests
in the Zodiac XL are right to ignore the NTSB finding and the whole
rest of the world is wrong.
Paul
XL grounded
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At 07:06 AM 6/14/2009, you wrote:
| Quote: | I got Zbagged three times.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 9:40 am Post subject: I got Zbagged three times on Friday - Flight Report. |
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Paul,
Larry, I and many others have considered the recommendation of the designer, the findings of the European testers, and the lack of action by the FAA and decided to go flying. I was fortunate enough to be able to give a 10 year old his first flight in a GA plane last weekend.
Phil Maxson
601XL/Corvair
Ungrounded
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tonyplane(at)bellsouth.ne
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| Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 10:39 am Post subject: I got Zbagged three times on Friday - Flight Report. |
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See Below: GOTO http://www.zenairulm.com/News/index_files/Page372.htm
and
http://www.zenairulm.com/FAQ/pdfdocs/CH601XL-GVT-June6.pdf for the
aeroelastic analysis test report
Tony Graziano
XL/Jab 501 hrs
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Zenair Europe has now made public the entire Ground Vibration Test (GVT)
report recently concluded for the Zenair CH 601 XL design. The complete
battery of tests was conducted in response to speculation that flutter could
have contributed to a number of accidents involving the CH 601 XL.
Testing was overseen by Dr. Uwe Weltin, an internationally recognized
flutter and vibrations specialist and head of the Institut für
Zuverlaessigkeitstechnik at the Technical University of Hamburg-Harburg
(TUHH). GVT results confirm that when the CH 601 XL is built and maintained
to Zenair specifications, there is "no tendency to flutter or divergence
found within the flight envelope of the CH 601 XL".
With the likelihood of flutter now virtually eliminated, Zenair will shortly
issue a detailed inspection checklist for CH 601 XL owners, to assist with
maintenance and the on-going airworthiness of the aircraft. This checklist
will include control system checks as well as appropriate airspeed indicator
(ASI) markings. Zodiac designer Chris Heintz continues to remind pilots not
to exceed the aircraft's design limitations (which can easily be done in
high-performance ultralights); this includes always flying well below VA in
gusty conditions.
Based on the wide range of the testing parameters used, the detailed report
fully clears the Zodiac design of flutter-related concerns. "By making the
findings of the GVT public in their entirety, we hope to address and put to
rest the groundless concerns regarding the CH 601 XL design and flutter,"
said Nick Heintz on behalf of Zenair Europe. The full 27-page GVT report is
now available on-line and can be viewed at the Zenair Europe website.
For more information on the CH 601 XL aircraft, now one of the now most
tested aircraft in its class, contact Zenair or their nearest regional
representative at www.zenairulm.com
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jonaburns
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| Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 10:55 am Post subject: Re: I got Zbagged three times on Friday - Flight Report. |
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I was trying to rent some hanger space last week and the owner asked me what kind of plane I had. I said it was similar in size to the RV12, but is a Zodiac 601XL.
"WHAT?" he said... "Isn't that the plane that is crashing all over the place?"
I explained that as far as I know, there have been 6 fatal crashes in the past couple of years worldwide, and asked if he knew that the RVs had 8 fatal crashes in 2008 alone.
Yes, there are many more RVs out there, so we are talking apples to oranges here, but there are crashes with other models too. I went on to explain CH's view on maintenance and some other info, which seemed to lower his blood pressure.
I then told him about the ZBAG and their efforts to demand root cause at any cost, their "Engineer" that continues to support a hypothesis that independent testing has shown to be incorrect, and an outspoken member that prances around confusing "colorful curiosity" with celebrity.
After he stopped laughing, he told me to bring it over and he would make room.
Jon Burns
CH601XL/Corvair
Almost done....
Little Elm, TX
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hansriet
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| Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 12:32 pm Post subject: Re: I got Zbagged three times on Friday - Flight Report. |
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[quote="jonaburns"]I explained that as far as I know, there have been 6 fatal crashes in the past couple of years worldwide, and asked if he knew that the RVs had 8 fatal crashes in 2008 alone.
Jon Burns
CH601XL/Corvair
Almost done....
Little Elm, TX[/quote]
And all RV crashes had identical causes?
Just asking.
Hans
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daveaustin2(at)primus.ca
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| Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 4:26 pm Post subject: I got Zbagged three times on Friday - Flight Report. |
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Chatted to a knowledgeable person up here in Canada. He told me the XL had
been tested up to 400 mph with no problems. Now if only we could persuade
some drivers not to jerk the stick..
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912
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ggower_99(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 8:50 pm Post subject: I got Zbagged three times on Friday - Flight Report. |
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Hello Larry,
That IS good english school for foreigners! 
Saludos
Gary Gower.
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--- On Sun, 6/14/09, Lawrence Webber <lawrencewebber(at)HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
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From: Lawrence Webber <lawrencewebber(at)HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: RE: Re: I got Zbagged three times on Friday - Flight Report.
To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Sunday, June 14, 2009, 8:30 PM
#yiv44164203 .hmmessage P { margin:0px;padding:0px;} #yiv44164203 { font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} hey tron guy, go to google type in zbag scroll down to urban legand definition the definition sure fits flame on
Larry
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From: jmaynard(at)conmicro.com
To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: I got Zbagged three times on Friday - Flight Report.
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jay Maynard <jmaynard(at)conmicro.com>
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 04:56:21PM -0700, jonaburns wrote:
> Thanks for once again showing your stability. That kind of language has
> no business here.
Neither do the personal attacks that seem to be the stock in trade of some
posters around here. The use of the term "Zbagged" in such a fashion was the
last straw for me.
> This list has migrated from being entirely informative, to a polarized
> mess. I am as guilty as many others as to keeping on topic, but this type
> of reaction is not acceptable.
Neither was the post that provoked it, or the subsequent post that used the
same term.
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Jay Maynard, K5ZC, PP-ASEL, CFI-SP http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (KFRM) (Yes, that's me!)
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| Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 9:22 pm Post subject: I got Zbagged three times on Friday - Flight Report. |
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Hey Ed,
Could you send me some of that bacon. I really like bacon, but my
scale is broken. It keeps saying I have gained another pound . . .
Paul
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At 08:41 PM 6/15/2009, you wrote:
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camping games with her. I make very good imaginary bacon.
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