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albertakolbmk3

Joined: 13 Jun 2009
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Location: Innisfail, AB

Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 1:24 pm Post subject: Oil Injection... OK to change type???

Hi,



First off I would like to say hi to everyone on the board. I purchased a kolb MK3 2 months ago. Just finishing my hours toward my ultralight permit. I have a 582 with oil injection and am wondering if it's ok to go from a synthetic to a mineral oil even after the engine has run exclusively on synthetic. It was run using Bombardier XP-S full synthetic 2 cycle oil. Is it better to stay with what the previous owner has been running. I'm not trying to be cheap but the local dealer wants $70 CAN for a gallon. I've had dirtbikes all my life and have never run synthetic in any thing I own and have never had any issues. I change my oil religiously.



Thanks,



Tony

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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 2:29 pm Post subject: Oil Injection... OK to change type???

how do i send a message to everyone like you just did? I have a firestar amphib that I am trying to sell and I need to get the word out

 daniel

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 Hi C

 First off I would like to say hi to everyone on the board. I purchased a kolb MK3 2 months ago. Just finishing my hours toward my ultralight permit. I have a 582 with oil injection and am wondering if it's ok to go from a synthetic to a mineral oil even after the engine has run exclusively on synthetic. It was run using Bombardier XP-S full synthetic 2 cycle oil. Is it better to stay with what the previous owner has been running. I'm not trying to be cheap but the local dealer wants $70 CAN for a gallon. I've had dirtbikes all my life and have never run synthetic in any thing I own and have never had any issues. I change my oil religiously.

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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 3:19 pm Post subject: Oil Injection... OK to change type???

Tony, I'd check with Lockwood Aviation about oil compatability. Certain types, most notably Pennzoil Air Cooled and Pennzoil Marine will congeal when combined. 



Rick



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 First off I would like to say hi to everyone on the board. I purchased a kolb MK3 2 months ago. Just finishing my hours toward my ultralight permit. I have a 582 with oil injection and am wondering if it's ok to go from a synthetic to a mineral oil even after the engine has run exclusively on synthetic. It was run using Bombardier XP-S full synthetic 2 cycle oil. Is it better to stay with what the previous owner has been running. I'm not trying to be cheap but the local dealer wants $70 CAN for a gallon. I've had dirtbikes all my life and have never run synthetic in any thing I own and have never had any issues. I change my oil religiously.

  

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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 3:39 pm Post subject: Oil Injection... OK to change type???

Yes C make sure its not marine

 daniel

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Tony C I'd check with Lockwood Aviation about oil compatability. Certain types C most notably Pennzoil Air Cooled and Pennzoil Marine will congeal when combined.  

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Hi C

First off I would like to say hi to everyone on the board. I purchased a kolb MK3 2 months ago. Just finishing my hours toward my ultralight permit. I have a 582 with oil injection and am wondering if it's ok to go from a synthetic to a mineral oil even after the engine has run exclusively on synthetic. It was run using Bombardier XP-S full synthetic 2 cycle oil. Is it better to stay with what the previous owner has been running. I'm not trying to be cheap but the local dealer wants $70 CAN for a gallon. I've had dirtbikes all my life and have never run synthetic in any thing I own and have never had any issues. I change my oil religiously.

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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:51 pm Post subject: Oil Injection... OK to change type???

the 503 rotax in my firestar had been run on a synthettic oil  prior to my purchase....I took the advice of Lockwood aviation on the use of  Pennzoil 2 cly air cooled . I have used it for about 200 hours of flying time  and it has worked fine.  Lockwood aviation have run a lot of rotax engine  test on different 2 cycle oil.   You might give them a call and ask  about their test results.....it is interesting.....

  

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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 6:09 pm Post subject: Re: Oil Injection... OK to change type???

 	  albertakolbmk3 wrote: 	
		  Hi,



First off I would like to say hi to everyone on the board. I purchased a kolb MK3 2 months ago. Just finishing my hours toward my ultralight permit. I have a 582 with oil injection and am wondering if it's ok to go from a synthetic to a mineral oil even after the engine has run exclusively on synthetic. It was run using Bombardier XP-S full synthetic 2 cycle oil. Is it better to stay with what the previous owner has been running. I'm not trying to be cheap but the local dealer wants $70 CAN for a gallon. I've had dirtbikes all my life and have never run synthetic in any thing I own and have never had any issues. I change my oil religiously.



Thanks,



Tony 	




You'll be fine changing oils, the engine won't notice the switch. A dino oil will be a little better in terms of corrosion protection anyway as it sticks to surfaces better than synthetic. I always used the pennzoil air cooled which I think has recently been rebranded to something else. 



Make sure the new grade you switch to meets the API TC specification (tho a TCW-III oil will work acceptably in the 582 also if that's the only grade available).



As for the oil injection I suppose you should drain it out before changing the oils (I always ran premix so never did maintenance on the oil injection).

If you're worried about congealing for the short time you'll have a little of the old oil in the system, test a mix of the two in a petri dish first....



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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 6:43 pm Post subject: Oil Injection... OK to change type???

i RAN PENNZOIL AIR COLLED 492ho urs never had the head off only had it rebuilt to sell it! 503 SC  firestar KXP. Chris

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 the 503 rotax in my firestar had been run on a synthettic oil prior to my purchase....I took the advice of Lockwood aviation on the use of Pennzoil 2 cly air cooled . I have used it for about 200 hours of flying time and it has worked fine.  Lockwood aviation have run a lot of rotax engine test on different 2 cycle oil.   You might give them a call and ask about their test results.....it is interesting.....

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 JIM SWAN

firestar ll, 503, N663S

Eaton Rapids, Mi. 48827

PH 517-663-8488 runway 2300' E & W (42-28.58N 084-44.69 W )

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Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 3:25 am Post subject: Oil Injection... OK to change type???

I change my oil religiously.>>



You get the local local Reverend to do it?  What a good idea,  I must try 

that. Perhaps just saying a prayer over it would work.



Cheers



Pat

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Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 5:44 am Post subject: Oil Injection... OK to change type???

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 I change my oil religiously.>>

 

 You get the local local Reverend to do it? What a good idea C I must try 

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Dana

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Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 2:39 pm Post subject: Oil Injection... OK to change type???

At 06:27 PM 6/13/2009, daniel myers wrote:

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		  how do i send a message to everyone like you just did?


	


You just did...



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Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 5:13 pm Post subject: Oil Injection... OK to change type???

Pat

I think  swearing while you do it qualifies --

Russ



On Jun 14, 2009, at 7:24 AM, pj.ladd wrote:



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 I change my oil religiously.>>



 You get the local local Reverend to do it?  What a good idea,  I  

 must try that. Perhaps just saying a prayer over it would work.



 Cheers



 Pat

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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:41 am Post subject: Oil Injection... OK to change type???

I think  swearing while you do it qualifies --( no one else seems to have 

picked it up)

Hi Russ

My oil change doesn`t make me swear. I have a sort of vacuum pump gismo that 

drags the oil out of the filler tube.  Slowish but clean. Beats fiddling 

around between the engine and the top of the cabin cage where there is no 

room..



Good story sent to me this morning.



There has been a very pleasant parking warden who has worked outside Bristol 

Zoo for the last 25 years. £1 for cars. £5 for coaches. Rrecently he did not 

turn up and eventually the Zoo authorities rang the Bristol Council for a 

replacement. "Not our responsibility` said the Council "We dont pay him`. 

"Not ours" said the Zoo "We don`t pay him"



Seems that noone paid him. He just turned up and pocketed the parking money, 

estimated at £400 per day, for 25 years and is now living in Spain..

Heh! heh! heh!



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