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lllanducci(at)tds.net
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Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:14 am Post subject: 801801801801

The cost of the new Lycoming O-360 and Firewall Forward kit (from 

Zenith) are listed on the Zenith website and are not much different 

from what I paid about 3 yrs ago.  Also, I added a few misc items that 

were not included, such as an oil/air separator (reduces oil blow-by 

considerably), CHT probes for all 4 cylinders, and a primer system. The 

prop that Zenith provided was a fixed pitch metal prop. According to 

the designer's (Chris Heinz) comments at one of the Oshkosh seminars, a 

constant speed prop on an airplane as slow as the 801 (110 mph cruise) 

does not significantly improve the performance and is not worth the 

extra cost and complication.

In my limited experience in flying my 801 so far, I can not imagine why 

I would need more takeoff performance--once it starts rolling it is 

difficult to keep it on the ground. I can personally attest to this 

since my first high-speed taxi test resulted in my first flight. I 

rarely use the flaps as they are simply not needed on a hard-surface 

airport that is more than a few hundred feet long.

Sorry for the diversion from the initial question about cost--you can 

tell how much fun I am having.



Larry Landucci -- N801LL

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n801bh(at)netzero.com
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Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 6:18 pm Post subject: 801801801801

The cost of the new Lycoming O-360 and Firewall Forward kit (from 

Zenith) are listed on the Zenith website and are not much different 

from what I paid about 3 yrs ago.  Also, I added a few misc items that 

were not included, such as an oil/air separator (reduces oil blow-by 

considerably), CHT probes for all 4 cylinders, and a primer system. The 

prop that Zenith provided was a fixed pitch metal prop. According to 

the designer's (Chris Heinz) comments at one of the Oshkosh seminars, a 

constant speed prop on an airplane as slow as the 801 (110 mph cruise) 

does not significantly improve the performance and is not worth the 

extra cost and complication.

In my limited experience in flying my 801 so far, I can not imagine why 

I would need more takeoff performance--once it starts rolling it is 

difficult to keep it on the ground. I can personally attest to this 

since my first high-speed taxi test resulted in my first flight. I 

rarely use the flaps as they are simply not needed on a hard-surface 

airport that is more than a few hundred feet long.

Sorry for the diversion from the initial question about cost--you can 

tell how much fun I am having.



Larry Landucci -- N801LL



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We would still like to see the actual price. I added it up once while I was building my 801

and it came to over  $ 30,000 with everything needed to get it in the air. That's 1 1/2 times the cost of the kit. I had a hard time swallowing the fact that the first 30 inches of my 801 was going to cost more than the last 27 feet. Also now there is a AD on Lycoming crankshafts that will cost the owner alot  more money. If I were going to go the aircooled route I would pick the Lyc 180 hp clone that uses Roller lifter technology. Just my opinion and of course,,,

do not archive. 

Ben Haas

N801BH

www.haaspowerair.com





The cost of the new Lycoming O-360 and Firewall Forward kit (from 

Zenith) are listed on the Zenith website and are not much different 

from what I paid about 3 yrs ago. Also, I added a few misc items that 

were not included, such as an oil/air separator (reduces oil blow-by 

considerably), CHT probes for all 4 cylinders, and a primer system. The 

prop that Zenith provided was a fixed pitch metal prop. According to 

the designer's (Chris Heinz) comments at one of the Oshkosh seminars, a 

constant speed prop on an airplane as slow as the 801 (110 mph cruise) 

does not significantly improve the performance and is not worth the 

extra cost and complication.

In my limited experience in flying my 801 so far, I can not imagine why 

I would need more takeoff performance--once it starts rolling it is 

difficult to keep it on the ground. I can personally attest to this 

since my first high-speed taxi test resulted in my first flight. I 

rarely use the flaps as they are simply not needed on a hard-surface 

airport that is more than a few hundred feet long.

Sorry for the diversion from the initial question about cost--you can 

tell how much fun I am having.



Larry Landucci -- N801LL



/////////////////////////////////////////////////





We would still like to see the actual price. I added it up once while I was building my 801

and it came to over $ 30,000 with everything needed to get it in the air. That's 1 1/2 times the cost of the kit. I had a hard time swallowing the fact that the first 30 inchesof my 801 was going to cost more than the last 27 feet. Also now there is a AD on Lycoming crankshafts that will cost the owner alot more money. IfI were going to go theaircooled route I would pick the Lyc 180 hp clone that uses Roller lifter technology. Just my opinion and of course,,,





do not archive.

BenHaas

N801BH

www.haaspowerair.com

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lllanducci(at)tds.net
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Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 2:31 pm Post subject: 801801801801

Without spending a lot of time tallying up the actual cost of the items 

you mentioned I can assure you that it was very close to the $30,000 

that you determined. All I can tell you is that the total amount 

invested in my completed 801 was about $57,000, although that includes 

a very full panel (approx $6000).

As far as the Lycoming AD's are concerned, my O-360 was never on any of 

the lists that I received in the mail so was not affected. Besides, if 

there was a potential problem wouldn't you want to know about it?  If 

you had a Lycoming clone I wonder if you would get information about 

potential problems. The only instance of someone that went with a clone 

(in our area) was delayed approx 6 months in his first flight because 

of a faulty engine.



Larry Landucci -- N801LL

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steveadams

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 191

Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 5:22 am Post subject: Re: 801801801801

I put a Superior XP-360 in my CH640 because it was thousands less than the Lycoming and fits the FWF kit without modifications. It's a nice engine, and they do issue service letters and AD's if any problems develop with the parts. Remember, not only does it use the same parts as the Vantage certified engine, most of the parts are certified replacement parts for Lycomings. If there is a problem, you will hear about it. If the XP-360 wasn't available or was completely untested, I would definitely have bought a Lycoming.

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