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tc1917(at)Direcway.com
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 3:15 am Post subject: spirts plot license

just wanted all my friends on the Kolb list to know I finally swallowed the 

second big bite (the first being the registration, et. al. of my aircraft) 

of the spirts plop license.  I successfully passed the written exam with a 

score of 90%.  Now, gotta take a couple more big bites and get the oral and 

flying section down pat and go for it.  Good luck to everyone going that 

way.  Used the ASA training guide booklet but there were a few weird and 

trick questions to ponder.  Nothing is free, right.  Anyway, on I go.  Ted 

Cowan, Alabama  Hoops, Hoops, Hoops, but gotta have it for to legally drive 

the SS through the air.

Dave Pelletier

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 100
Location: Prescott, Arizona

Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 6:42 am Post subject: spirts plot license

Congrats Ted.  I passed the written too -92%- and have my "N" number.  I 

used the Gleim method and it is really good.  Yeah, a couple of weird trick 

questions.  My problem now is finding a DAR.  I've contacted one in San 

Diego who is LSA certified and found one in Tucson who is "in the process - 

they've lost my &

%$# paperwork."  Anyway, I should know by next week 

whether I'll go to Tucson or San Diego to get it Certified.  For those of 

you who don't know, If I certify my Kolb as "Experimental - Amateur Built" 

there are plenty of DARs around.  But there are very few "ELSA" DARs.  I 

mean what is the difference?  They are certifying that it is AIRWORTHY - 

shouldnt make any difference whether it is amateur built or LSA - it either 

is safe or it ain't.  Another thing.  A DAR here who inspects Amateur Built 

got all bent out of shape when I asked him if he was gonna get ELSA 

certified.  He cussed the FAA for 15 minutes.  He is a retired FAA employee 

(30 yrs) and has spent the last 20 years certifying hundreds of aircraft. 

But when he went for his ELSA certification, they gave him a stack of forms 

to fill out and all kinds of security things like "what countries have you 

visited in the past xxx years." and stuff like that.  He got so pissed he 

walked out.  Beaucracies!!!  Bah Humbug!!!



Sorry for venting but it's damn frustrating.  No wonder their wayyyyy behind 

the power curve.  I wonder how they're gonna get 18,000 "Ultralights" 

certified in the time frame they've set.



AzDave



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Roger Lee

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1464
Location: Tucson, Az.

Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 7:47 am Post subject: Re: spirts plot license

Hi All,



I have a Mark III. I to went the Gliem study way. It worked out will. I would recommend the Cd's also. These were very good for any pilot. I had a DAR named John Shablo from San Diego come out and do my airworthy inspection. It was very easy and he was very nice. His number is 619-388-7659 or his cell is 951-259-2997. Since my Kolb had 600 hrs. already I just signed it off without any test time to fly off. I live in Tucson and I'm not sure who you are talking about with the other DAR. I know of two DAR's in Phoenix for your flight test, his name is Terry Brandt another very nice guy. His number is 623-393-9451 or his cell is 602-739-0554. I also just got my repairman certificate the other day in Riverside  Ca. Piece of cake, but you do need to listen in class. On the 50 question test you can't miss more than 10. If you want anymore info give me a call anytime. 



Roger Lee 

Tucson, Az.

520-574-1080

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Tucson, Az.
Rotax Instructor & Rotax IRC
Light Sport Repairman
Home 520-574-1080 TRY HOME FIRST
Cell 520-349-7056

blackbird

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 51

Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 8:01 am Post subject: spirts plot license

To all,



I have just finished the Sport Pilot 16 hr. course and have my letter for 

taking the sport pilot test....It is scheduled for next friday.....I am 

flying a single seat T-bird that is N-numbered and have all of the paperwork 

current....



The Kolbra has its registration and N-number......but my question is 

this....I thought that the local FAA guys could come out an inspect it for 

the airworthiness ticket?   And a fellow club member has told me that there 

are 2 parts to an airworthiness.......20 hrs. flight time and then the 

logbook is endorsed for the ticket  or does an airworthiness have to be in 

the aircraft for it to fly?



I have been told that when all of the wheels leave the ground an 

airworthiness ticket MUST be in the aircraft.....hence the logbook 

endorsement when the time is flown off...



Like to have everyones thoughts......



Destination Flight.com is who we used....Mark Burpee flies all over the 

country doing this and he is a great guy....

Wayne McCullough

Kolbra 004

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David.Lehman

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 265
Location: "Lovely" Fresno CA

Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 8:21 am Post subject: spirts plot license

Dave...



Call the FSDO and ask for an inspector to do the inspection, no cost (except

for April 15th)...  That's assuming the SDL FSDO does am-blts and ELSAs,

Fresno FSDO does...



DVD

On 3/30/06, Dave & Eve Pelletier <pelletier(at)cableone.net> wrote:

[quote]

 

 pelletier(at)cableone.net>



 Congrats Ted.  I passed the written too -92%- and have my "N" number.  I

 used the Gleim method and it is really good.  Yeah, a couple of weird

 trick

 questions.  My problem now is finding a DAR.  I've contacted one in San

 Diego who is LSA certified and found one in Tucson who is "in the process

 -

 they've lost my &

 %$# paperwork."  Anyway, I should know by next week

 whether I'll go to Tucson or San Diego to get it Certified.  For those of

 you who don't know, If I certify my Kolb as "Experimental - Amateur Built"

 there are plenty of DARs around.  But there are very few "ELSA" DARs.  I

 mean what is the difference?  They are certifying that it is AIRWORTHY -

 shouldnt make any difference whether it is amateur built or LSA - it

 either

 is safe or it ain't.  Another thing.  A DAR here who inspects Amateur

 Built

 got all bent out of shape when I asked him if he was gonna get ELSA

 certified.  He cussed the FAA for 15 minutes.  He is a retired FAA

 employee

 (30 yrs) and has spent the last 20 years certifying hundreds of aircraft.

 But when he went for his ELSA certification, they gave him a stack of

 forms

 to fill out and all kinds of security things like "what countries have you

 visited in the past xxx years." and stuff like that.  He got so pissed he

 walked out.  Beaucracies!!!  Bah Humbug!!!



 Sorry for venting but it's damn frustrating.  No wonder their wayyyyy

 behind

 the power curve.  I wonder how they're gonna get 18,000 "Ultralights"

 certified in the time frame they've set.



 AzDave



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Roger Lee

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1464
Location: Tucson, Az.

Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 8:25 am Post subject: Re: spirts plot license

Hi All,



Two things here. First if you have FAA come out for an airworthy inspection, which I was going to do instead of paying for a DAR, I was told by them that they still need an FAA inspector familiar with Light Sport and it could take months to get it done. I chose to pay and it took two weeks.

Second if you have a new plane with no time on it or very little the DAR may assign you time to fly off in you test area. If you have a plane like mine that has a number of hours (mine was 600 hrs.) on it then he told me all I had to do was make the appropriate log book entries and I was ready to go without flying off any time. This is also what I was told in the Repairman cert. class. This is totally up to each DAR as I learned in the repairman Cert. Class. Each DAR has the power to require slightly different flight times as he deems neccessary for safety. In short each DAR can be somewhat different in their requirements. It is not set in stone. The airworthy cert. and operation limitations have to be in the plane when you fly your time off.

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Tucson, Az.
Rotax Instructor & Rotax IRC
Light Sport Repairman
Home 520-574-1080 TRY HOME FIRST
Cell 520-349-7056

slyck(at)frontiernet.net
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 11:34 am Post subject: spirts plot license

I think there are some who think that a real FAA inspector has fangs.

Mine was a great guy who only picked nits that were real.



Hard to believe that it was free!  Availability may be limited to

territory.  This part of the country doesn't do a lot of business so

I got fast service.  I had to stay in the airport area for ten hours

and within a huge radius for another 30.  I wouldn't have done

it otherwise if there had been no limits.



-BB, mkIII,  installing oil cooler on suzuki



On 30, Mar 2006, at 11:01 AM, Wayne T. McCullough wrote:



[quote] 

 <blackbird754(at)alltel.net>



 To all,



 I have just finished the Sport Pilot 16 hr. course and have my letter 

 for

 taking the sport pilot test....It is scheduled for next friday.....I am

 flying a single seat T-bird that is N-numbered and have all of the 

 paperwork

 current....



 The Kolbra has its registration and N-number......but my question is

 this....I thought that the local FAA guys could come out an inspect it 

 for

 the airworthiness ticket?   And a fellow club member has told me that 

 there

 are 2 parts to an airworthiness.......20 hrs. flight time and then the

 logbook is endorsed for the ticket  or does an airworthiness have to 

 be in

 the aircraft for it to fly?



 I have been told that when all of the wheels leave the ground an

 airworthiness ticket MUST be in the aircraft.....hence the logbook

 endorsement when the time is flown off...



 Like to have everyones thoughts......



 Destination Flight.com is who we used....Mark Burpee flies all over the

 country doing this and he is a great guy....

 Wayne McCullough

 Kolbra 004

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Dave Pelletier

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 100
Location: Prescott, Arizona

Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 12:38 pm Post subject: spirts plot license

Robert,



    Was yours registered as Amateur Built or as ELSA?



AzDave



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Cat36Fly(at)aol.com
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 4:52 pm Post subject: spirts plot license

I got my airworthiness last Oct for my amateur built experimental (MKlllX).  

The certificate has to be in the plane before the wheels leave the ground. I 

am  now operating in the flight testing phase which restricts me to a 25 mile 

radius  of my home airport for 40 hrs. I now have 25 flown off.

 The regular FAA did not do the inspection. I had to hire a qualified  DAR to 

do it. The biggest issue is getting all the paperwork together, signed  and 

notarized (where required).

 

Larry 

MKlllx 582/warp

N615RT

slyck(at)frontiernet.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 9:22 pm Post subject: spirts plot license

On 30, Mar 2006, at 3:34 PM, Dave & Eve Pelletier wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 <pelletier(at)cableone.net>



 Robert,


	


 	  Quote: 	
		    Was yours registered as Amateur Built or as ELSA?


	


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Amateur,  and I don't know what the difference would be.
	


Do you still need the big EXPERIMENTAL letters pasted

on the side?

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dhkey(at)msn.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 6:11 am Post subject: spirts plot license

yep, in plain view near the door.

 	  Quote: 	
		  From: robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>

Reply-To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: spirts plot license

Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 00:20:29 -0500




On 30, Mar 2006, at 3:34 PM, Dave & Eve Pelletier wrote:



 > 

 > <pelletier(at)cableone.net>

 >

 > Robert,



 >  Was yours registered as Amateur Built or as ELSA?



 >

Amateur,  and I don't know what the difference would be.

Do you still need the big EXPERIMENTAL letters pasted

on the side?

-BB  do not archive

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