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lcottrell

Joined: 29 May 2006
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Location: Jordan Valley, Or

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:54 pm Post subject: New Camera, Owyhee Ramblins

I made a trip down the Owyhee River this morning and   when I got back from the two hour flight, and viewed the video, found that I had  a blemish on the camera lens. I attempted to clean the lens and was unable to do  so. I managed to drop it the other day when I took it off the mount to obtain  pictures to send to the list. I can only assume that the damage occurred when it  hit the concrete. So I would caution those of you who bought one, to hold on to  it.  The blemish is visible, will have to decide whether to buy another one,  or put up with this.

  

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdZQROfnJRI

  

 Most of this has been done by me before, but there are two  bands of Bighorn Sheep in this one, and I never get that tired of the scenery  down there.

 Larry

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rlaird

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Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:13 pm Post subject: New Camera, Owyhee Ramblins

Have you tried a q-tip?  (I -just- got mine in the mail!)

On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com (lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com)> wrote:

 [quote]       I made a trip down the Owyhee River this morning and   when I got back from the two hour flight, and viewed the video, found that I had  a blemish on the camera lens. I attempted to clean the lens and was unable to do  so. I managed to drop it the other day when I took it off the mount to obtain  pictures to send to the list. I can only assume that the damage occurred when it  hit the concrete. So I would caution those of you who bought one, to hold on to  it.  The blemish is visible, will have to decide whether to buy another one,  or put up with this.

  

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdZQROfnJRI

  

 Most of this has been done by me before, but there are two  bands of Bighorn Sheep in this one, and I never get that tired of the scenery  down there.

 Larry

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lcottrell

Joined: 29 May 2006
Posts: 1494
Location: Jordan Valley, Or

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:14 pm Post subject: New Camera, Owyhee Ramblins

Yep, q tips, tooth picks with cotton, tee shirts and glass  cleaner, the works. Appears to be permanent. Sigh!

 Larry 

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Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:18 pm Post subject: New Camera, Owyhee ramblins

Larry- You might be able to buff out the scratch with a Demel felt tip and jeweler's rouge.  It worked for my son-in-law when he scraped an expensive window with a roofing shingle.  Go slow, and clean often to inspect.  If it's just on the surface it will clean right up.

   Great video from such an inexpensive camera.  Better off dropping a $50 one than a $300 one.

   The added music was not allowed by WMG (?).  Keep them coming, and thanks.

  

                                             Bill Sullivan

                                             Windsor Locks, Ct.  

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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
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Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:04 pm Post subject: New Camera, Owyhee Ramblins

Heck, I've flown my mkIII and ridden my Honda  Rincon right down that pig trail to the line shack by the  Owyhee!!!

  

 Hope to do it again real soon.

  

 Sure looks good!

  

 john h

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 [quote]   Most of this has been done by me before, but there are    two bands of Bighorn Sheep in this one, and I never get that tired of the    scenery down there.

   Larry

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lcottrell

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Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:13 pm Post subject: New Camera, Owyhee Ramblins

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   When I posted the video, I had put some Earl Klugh and    Enya music as a sound track, but You Tube informed me that there was some copy    write infringment and gave me the choice of replacing it with their music that    they owned. I tried sever times, with little sucess, then I found one that    seemed to take, but it is a little short, so when the music shuts off, hum a    little till it quits.

   Larry

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Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 3:12 pm Post subject: New Camera, Owyhee Ramblins

Larry, you're producing  some great videos! -- and what makes them   

way above average is the STEADY camera. Your  mount works fine.  

Wonder if you'll get around  to making it aim-able from  the cockpit?

Everyone should use a tripod (on the ground ) but no one does.  

However, everyone should steady the camera as much as possible --  

lean across a car hood, lean against a phone pole or fence, use  

whatever's available --  and pan slowly.

We've all found out that it's between  difficult and impossible to  

polish out scratches on Lexan;  but if it's other plastics, like  

small lens covers and even the lenses themselves, using toothpaste -  

NOT gel, but paste - can be successful. It's just a fine abrasive. If  

the plastic is flat, go to it; but if it's curved you will probably  

change the function of the lens.  Maybe slightly, maybe badly.

Toothpaste is also good for polishing  the crystal of your watch, if  

it's waterproof. Put paste on your thumb , wear the watch into the  

shower & rub away.

Hope this helps someone

Russ K

lcottrell

Joined: 29 May 2006
Posts: 1494
Location: Jordan Valley, Or

Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 4:13 pm Post subject: New Camera, Owyhee Ramblins

http://yardbirdrc.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=29&products_id=104

  

 Thanks for the compliment, sometimes I feel as though I am  relieving my self in a dark suit, you get a warm feeling, but no one notices.  The link above is for a swivel set up that you can control remotely, but never  knowing where it is pointing would give me way too many chances to screw up. I  cannot see the camera from where I sit. It is easier to use the stick  to point it to what I want to show. The reason that I got it in the first place  was so that I would have my hands free to use the stick and throttle. When you  are whizzing through a canyon at 64 MPH and 5 to 15 feet, you want to lighten  your work load, and reaction time as much as possible. 

  

 The only bad thing about the camera is that the views are  not comparable to what the human eye sees. While I want to show you guys some of  the more striking pictures of wild horses and Sheep, I am very aware that the  line between too far away and harassment is a pretty small one that I am not  anxious to cross. The horses here are herded with heli's and as soon as they  hear an engine, they run, not fast, but steady. They don't run any faster if you  are 500 feet above them or 25. Sheep seem to be the same. The way that I find  most of them is when they run, and I may be as much as a mile away when they  start. Definitely too far for any camera to pick them out. For instance both  vids of the Sheep were plain as day to me, but hardly showed up in the camera.  The last bunch on that plateau had several that were wearing tracking collars,  bet no one saw that.

  

 I think the damage to the lens is internal, occurring when  I dropped it. The way that I attempted to clean it tells me that if It were on  the outside, it would be gone. They are cheap for a reason, and being made in  China, I am surprised that the quality is as good as it is. The little woman  only told me not to lose it. She didn't say anything about replacing  it.

 Larry

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cristalclear13

Joined: 19 Sep 2007
Posts: 363
Location: Southeast Georgia

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:07 am Post subject: Re: New Camera, Owyhee Ramblins

 	  lcottrell wrote: 	
		   Thanks for the compliment, sometimes I feel as though I am  relieving my self in a dark suit, you get a warm feeling, but no one notices.  The link above is for a swivel set up that you can control remotely, but never  knowing where it is pointing would give me way too many chances to screw up. I  cannot see the camera from where I sit. It is easier to use the stick  to point it to what I want to show. The reason that I got it in the first place  was so that I would have my hands free to use the stick and throttle. When you  are whizzing through a canyon at 64 MPH and 5 to 15 feet, you want to lighten  your work load, and reaction time as much as possible. 

  

 The only bad thing about the camera is that the views are  not comparable to what the human eye sees. While I want to show you guys some of  the more striking pictures of wild horses and Sheep, I am very aware that the  line between too far away and harassment is a pretty small one that I am not  anxious to cross. The horses here are herded with heli's and as soon as they  hear an engine, they run, not fast, but steady. They don't run any faster if you  are 500 feet above them or 25. Sheep seem to be the same. The way that I find  most of them is when they run, and I may be as much as a mile away when they  start. Definitely too far for any camera to pick them out. For instance both  vids of the Sheep were plain as day to me, but hardly showed up in the camera.  The last bunch on that plateau had several that were wearing tracking collars,  bet no one saw that.

  

 I think the damage to the lens is internal, occurring when  I dropped it. The way that I attempted to clean it tells me that if It were on  the outside, it would be gone. They are cheap for a reason, and being made in  China, I am surprised that the quality is as good as it is. The little woman  only told me not to lose it. She didn't say anything about replacing  it.

 Larry

	




Larry, I've really been enjoying your videos.  This one especially.  You're right about not being able to see the animals very well, but it's good you're not getting too close.  I had been wondering where those horses thought they could run to when you get near.  There's nowhere to hide and they certainly can't outrun you.  Glad to hear they are used to being herded that way.  I thought maybe they might be terrified wondering what kind of creature is chasing them.  What minute/second is the sheep in the video?



At 5:26 there is something you fly over...what is it?

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lcottrell

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Location: Jordan Valley, Or

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 4:39 pm Post subject: New Camera, Owyhee Ramblins

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cristalclear13

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Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:12 pm Post subject: Re: New Camera, Owyhee Ramblins

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Larry, I don't get the emails from this forum and I only see what is on the webpage.  Many times the webpage forum doesn't show your reply posts.  They simply show up with three dashes next to your name.  Can you forward your reply to my email address directly (cristalclearwaters(at)gmail.com) so I can see what you said?



Thanks.

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lcottrell

Joined: 29 May 2006
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Location: Jordan Valley, Or

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:26 pm Post subject: Re: New Camera, Owyhee Ramblins

For whatever reason some of my messages don't come through, so here is what I said.

----- Original Message ----- 

From: cristalclear13 

To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com 

Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 12:07 PM

Subject: Kolb-List: Re: New Camera, Owyhee Ramblins

What minute/second is the sheep in the video?

At 5:26 there is something you fly over...what is it?

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Cristal Waters

Kolb Mark II Twinstar

Rotax 503 DCSI

Hi,

   There are two bunches of Sheep in the video. Interestingly they are on different sides of the Canyon but almost right across from each other. Having said that I suppose that it wouldn't be too tough for Sheep to cross back and forth, but would not be possible for a man. The mesa's that the Sheep are on is about 5 to 700 feet above the water. The first bunch is at 1:21 the second is at 2:02. The amazing part of that Canyon is that there are perhaps three or four ways down into that Canyon. The drop in altitude is from 4500 to 2300 feet and the roads are rough, steep and scary, yet back in the early 1900's ( maybe late 1800's) people claimed that land and apparently homesteaded parts of it, (Honestly, I am not sure of the facts, but will try to find out. In other words I have told you more than I know for sure.) and hauled some of the most amazing farm machinery down into that Canyon. If you could see how far from any forms of civilization that place is you would be astounded. (100 miles or more) Any way what you see at 5:26 is a Steel Water wheel that is about 16 feet in diameter. 

I ordered another camera, and hopefully will have better luck with my butter fingers.

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cristalclear13

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Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:19 pm Post subject: Re: New Camera, Owyhee Ramblins

 	  lcottrell wrote: 	
		  For whatever reason some of my messages don't come through, so here is what I said.

----- Original Message ----- 

From: cristalclear13 

To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com 

Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 12:07 PM

Subject: Kolb-List: Re: New Camera, Owyhee Ramblins

What minute/second is the sheep in the video?

At 5:26 there is something you fly over...what is it?

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Cristal Waters

Kolb Mark II Twinstar

Rotax 503 DCSI

Hi,

   There are two bunches of Sheep in the video. Interestingly they are on different sides of the Canyon but almost right across from each other. Having said that I suppose that it wouldn't be too tough for Sheep to cross back and forth, but would not be possible for a man. The mesa's that the Sheep are on is about 5 to 700 feet above the water. The first bunch is at 1:21 the second is at 2:02. The amazing part of that Canyon is that there are perhaps three or four ways down into that Canyon. The drop in altitude is from 4500 to 2300 feet and the roads are rough, steep and scary, yet back in the early 1900's ( maybe late 1800's) people claimed that land and apparently homesteaded parts of it, (Honestly, I am not sure of the facts, but will try to find out. In other words I have told you more than I know for sure.) and hauled some of the most amazing farm machinery down into that Canyon. If you could see how far from any forms of civilization that place is you would be astounded. (100 miles or more) Any way what you see at 5:26 is a Steel Water wheel that is about 16 feet in diameter. 

I ordered another camera, and hopefully will have better luck with my butter fingers. 	

Thank you Larry.  That message came through fine and I got your email as well.  I thought the sheep were horses (sorry, but it was too small or maybe it was the youtube quality).  

I can imagine the pioneers coming up on things like that canyon as they headed west and I can imagine the heavy sinking feeling that must have come over them wondering how they would ever get across.   

I finally got to fly my plane tonight.  It's been over a month as I have been working on it (when I had the time and money).  It felt so good to get up in the air again.  Your videos were really making me miss flying my Kolb.  It'd be fun to film the swamp here like that or the marshes over near the Atlantic.

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John Bickham

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Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:53 pm Post subject: Re: New Camera, Owyhee Ramblins

 	  lcottrell wrote: 	
		  I ordered another camera, and hopefully will have better luck with my butter fingers. 	




Hey Larry,



You have given me the video bug!  I don't have the scenery here that you do but maybe I'll catch an alligator sunning itself on a sandbar  .



I'm trying to come up with a design for a mount (thinking gear leg) that will pan and tilt a little using bowden cables.  Will take some R&D.  Trick is to keep it simple, light, and functional. May take a little while.  Maybe someone on the list already has the answer!



I'm leaning toward a camera from Oregon Scientific (ATC 2K Action Cam) .  Cost a little more, but I think it is a little more durable and is supposed to be water resistant. That will help down here. Also like the AA battery option for those times when I won't have access to charge it. Can't be bad with "oregone" in the name!  



Thanks for the videos.  I miss it!



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Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 5:57 am Post subject: New Camera, Owyhee Ramblins

I'm trying to come up with a design for a mount (thinking gear leg) that

will pan and tilt a little using bowden cables.  Will take some R&D.  Trick

is to keep it simple, light, and functional. May take a little while.  Maybe

someone on the list already has the answer!



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I saw a camera, think it was in wall mart,   probably designed for low

dollar surveillance,  but it had pan and tilt built in.  I don't recall how

the controls worked.  Or if it could be made to work on airplane power

without major electrical overhaul.  Then it might be as easy as finding the

dc after the bridge rectifier.  Maybe a person would not have to completely

reinvent the wheel.



Boyd Young

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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:57 am Post subject: Re: New Camera, Owyhee Ramblins

I would like to see Larry with a new High Definition camera !!!  The videos are great, but the quality of the videos does not do the incredible terrain out there justice.  Here are are a couple pictures of the top of mountains that Larry took, look at the altimeter, 10,000 feet     The terrain is always steeper than it looks in a picture...    I would love to do some flying in a place like that,  South Florida is the most incredibly flat place on earth.  There is not a single hill, not even a 10 foot natural rise within 100 miles of me    So its all on Larry,  thanks for the videos and pictures and look forward to more.



Mike

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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:21 pm Post subject: New Camera, Owyhee Ramblins

Mike

Larry's pix may "not do the incredible terrain justice" but they're  

pretty darned good. Esp. now that he's not shooting thru plastic. The  

quality is certainly more than  adequate.

Anyone who does shoot thru the windscreen might consider laying a  

piece of black cloth or thin black felt over the panel & his thighs  

-- this will eliminate reflections. Simple cheap, effective.

Russ K

lcottrell

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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 5:48 pm Post subject: New Camera, Owyhee Ramblins

The problem is not the camera, it is the medium that it is  copied to. Although I can see that dropping mine did not do either the color  balance or the lens any good. The new one should be here Friday. I am going to  make a trip to 3 Forks and shoot some video coming this way with the sun at my  back. After that There is only the possibility of reruns, stuff that you have  seen before. I may redo the trip down the Crooked creek drainage and perhaps  down the canyon again that I did with the camera on my hat.

 Larry

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Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 6:55 am Post subject: Re: New Camera, Owyhee Ramblins

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After that There is only the possibility of reruns, stuff that you have  seen before.  Larry

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Reruns of Kolb flying beat reruns of Seinfeld any day      Videos of some of your takeoff's, landings, and other places you fly, even if not canyons would also be great to see.    I really liked the hat cam, that video turned out so good I am going to make a helmet mount for my camera in the next few days.



Russ,



Larry's pictures were really great, nothing wrong with the quality.  What I was saying is that his videos would be incredible if he had something that would shoot in a bit higher quality.   Personally, I think if Larry put a good high definition camera on that front of his Kolb, he could probably have some of his videos shown on National Geographic or Discovery.   Thats just really great stuff !



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