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jkreidler
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Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 5:46 am Post subject: Repairmen's Certificate |
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Just thought I would pass long my experience getting the Repairmen's Certificate for our RV-10. We used Joe Norris who works for EAA in Oshkosh as our DAR and Tech Counselor. Joe said that he does not issue the Repairmen's Certificate, and I had to go to the FSDO to get the cert. While in Oshkosh (since we are local) I got in touch with the Milwaukee FSDO on the field. He offered to go over and look at the airplane with me, and ask a few questions about the construction. This amounted to comparing our paperwork to the data plates, and asking which part we built first. He did comment that our "Experimental" marking was 'marginal' at best. We have it located in the baggage bulkhead, which is somewhat blocked by the rear seat headrests. He didn't demand that we fix it, he said if Joe thought it was OK, then it is OK. I said we would move the markings to the door, as 'marginal' isn't acceptable to me, he was very happy to hear this.
BTW, regarding the "Experimental" marking..... We had Flightline Interiors do our interior, wonderful product, wonderful people. As I said we had our experimental marked on the baggage bulkhead, during our DAR inspection we had to make a new experimental marking because all of the letters embroidered on the bulkhead were not 2" tall. The capitol letters were taller, the lower-case letters were too short. It was in a 'fancy' font, but that wasn't a problem. Abby made good and re-did the piece, so it looks like we now have a take three on the markings.
The next day I brought my laptop into the office and showed him pictures of the build, he wanted to see me actually working, not posing with parts. He also wanted to see me working at all of the stages to prove I was involved from beginning to end. He looked up the RV-10 quickbuild in the database to verify it meets the 51% rule. He asked how I planned to inspect the airplane, and what checklists I had for the inspections. He wanted to hear that our part 43 checklist was modified to include unique maintenance features of our model. He asked me to bring along the builders log, but did not review it. He issued the certificate on the spot. Kinda cool, he even filled out the application overnight, I only had to double check the info, and sign my name. This guy was great!
I had thought that the Repairmen's Certificate was issued at the same time as the inspection, but that was not the case for us, just passing along the experience.
Thanks, Jason Kreidler
N44YH - Flying
4 Partner Build #40617
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Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 6:25 am Post subject: Repairmen's Certificate |
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Jason,
If the FAA makes the airworthiness inspection you can get the Repairman’s certificate at the same time. A DAR cannot issue it. I had my Pietenpol Air Camper (which I flew to OSH this year – it was the green one with yellow wings parked right in front of the Brown Arch) inspected by the FSDO and they issued my repairman’s certificate at the same time as the Airworthiness Certificate.
That certificate is worth a lot – about $1500 a year in annual Condition Inspection costs.
Jack Phillips, Raleigh NC
Pietenpol NX899JP
RV-10 # 40610 (still working on wings – slow build)
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Subject: Repairmen's Certificate
Just thought I would pass long my experience getting the Repairmen's Certificate for our RV-10. We used Joe Norris who works for EAA in Oshkosh as our DAR and Tech Counselor. Joe said that he does not issue the Repairmen's Certificate, and I had to go to the FSDO to get the cert. While in Oshkosh (since we are local) I got in touch with the Milwaukee FSDO on the field. He offered to go over and look at the airplane with me, and ask a few questions about the construction. This amounted to comparing our paperwork to the data plates, and asking which part we built first. He did comment that our "Experimental" marking was 'marginal' at best. We have it located in the baggage bulkhead, which is somewhat blocked by the rear seat headrests. He didn't demand that we fix it, he said if Joe thought it was OK, then it is OK. I said we would move the markings to the door, as 'marginal' isn't acceptable to me, he was very happy to hear this.
BTW, regarding the "Experimental" marking..... We had Flightline Interiors do our interior, wonderful product, wonderful people. As I said we had our experimental marked on the baggage bulkhead, during our DAR inspection we had to make a new experimental marking because all of the letters embroidered on the bulkhead were not 2" tall. The capitol letters were taller, the lower-case letters were too short. It was in a 'fancy' font, but that wasn't a problem. Abby made good and re-did the piece, so it looks like we now have a take three on the markings.
The next day I brought my laptop into the office and showed him pictures of the build, he wanted to see me actually working, not posing with parts. He also wanted to see me working at all of the stages to prove I was involved from beginning to end. He looked up the RV-10 quickbuild in the database to verify it meets the 51% rule. He asked how I planned to inspect the airplane, and what checklists I had for the inspections. He wanted to hear that our part 43 checklist was modified to include unique maintenance features of our model. He asked me to bring along the builders log, but did not review it. He issued the certificate on the spot. Kinda cool, he even filled out the application overnight, I only had to double check the info, and sign my name. This guy was great!
I had thought that the Repairmen's Certificate was issued at the same time as the inspection, but that was not the case for us, just passing along the experience.
Thanks, Jason Kreidler
N44YH - Flying
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Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:43 am Post subject: Repairmen's Certificate |
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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> That's a FSDO that has nothing better to do...It.should only be a interview with the recommendation letter from the DAR....I don't need another inspection...heck they wouldn't even talk to me about doing the airworthiness inspection. I hope my request is less of a hassle than yours Rick SkedN246RS
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Just thought I would pass long my experience getting the Repairmen's Certificate for our RV-10. We used Joe Norris who works for EAA in Oshkosh as our DAR and Tech Counselor. Joe said that he does not issue the Repairmen's Certificate, and I had to go to the FSDO to get the cert. While in Oshkosh (since we are local) I got in touch with the Milwaukee FSDO on the field. He offered to go over and look at the airplane with me, and ask a few questions about the construction. This amounted to comparing our paperwork to the data plates, and asking which part we built first. He did comment that our "Experimental" marking was 'marginal' at best. We have it located in the baggage bulkhead, which is somewhat blocked by the rear seat headrests. He didn't demand that we fix it, he said if Joe thought it was OK, then it is OK. I said we would move the markings to the door, as 'marginal' isn't acceptable to me, he was very happy to hear this.
BTW, regarding the "Experimental" marking..... We had Flightline Interiors do our interior, wonderful product, wonderful people. As I said we had our experimental marked on the baggage bulkhead, during our DAR inspection we had to make a new experimental marking because all of the letters embroidered on the bulkhead were not 2" tall. The capitol letters were taller, the lower-case letters were too short. It was in a 'fancy' font, but that wasn't a problem. Abby made good and re-did the piece, so it looks like we now have a take three on the markings.
The next day I brought my laptop into the office and showed him pictures of the build, he wanted to see me actually working, not posing with parts. He also wanted to see me working at all of the stages to prove I was involved from beginning to end. He looked up the RV-10 quickbuild in the database to verify it meets the 51% rule. He asked how I planned to inspect the airplane, and what checklists I had for the inspections. He wanted to hear that our part 43 checklist was modified to include unique maintenance features of our model. He asked me to bring along the builders log, but did not review it. He issued the certificate on the spot. Kinda cool, he even filled out the application overnight, I only had to double check the info, and sign my name. This guy was great!
I had thought that the Repairmen's Certificate was issued at the same time as the inspection, but that was not the case for us, just passing along the experience.
Thanks, Jason Kreidler
N44YH - Flying
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Tim Olson
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Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:52 am Post subject: Repairmen's Certificate |
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If you use a DAR, you must apply in person for the Repairman's
cert. If you use the Feds, they can issue it without
appearing in person.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
jason.kreidler(at)regalbeloit.com wrote:
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Just thought I would pass long my experience getting the Repairmen's
Certificate for our RV-10. We used Joe Norris who works for EAA in
Oshkosh as our DAR and Tech Counselor. Joe said that he does not issue
the Repairmen's Certificate, and I had to go to the FSDO to get the
cert. While in Oshkosh (since we are local) I got in touch with the
Milwaukee FSDO on the field. He offered to go over and look at the
airplane with me, and ask a few questions about the construction. This
amounted to comparing our paperwork to the data plates, and asking which
part we built first. He did comment that our "Experimental" marking was
'marginal' at best. We have it located in the baggage bulkhead, which
is somewhat blocked by the rear seat headrests. He didn't demand that
we fix it, he said if Joe thought it was OK, then it is OK. I said we
would move the markings to the door, as 'marginal' isn't acceptable to
me, he was very happy to hear this.
BTW, regarding the "Experimental" marking..... We had Flightline
Interiors do our interior, wonderful product, wonderful people. As I
said we had our experimental marked on the baggage bulkhead, during our
DAR inspection we had to make a new experimental marking because all of
the letters embroidered on the bulkhead were not 2" tall. The capitol
letters were taller, the lower-case letters were too short. It was in a
'fancy' font, but that wasn't a problem. Abby made good and re-did the
piece, so it looks like we now have a take three on the markings.
The next day I brought my laptop into the office and showed him pictures
of the build, he wanted to see me actually working, not posing with
parts. He also wanted to see me working at all of the stages to prove I
was involved from beginning to end. He looked up the RV-10 quickbuild
in the database to verify it meets the 51% rule. He asked how I planned
to inspect the airplane, and what checklists I had for the inspections.
He wanted to hear that our part 43 checklist was modified to include
unique maintenance features of our model. He asked me to bring along
the builders log, but did not review it. He issued the certificate on
the spot. Kinda cool, he even filled out the application overnight, I
only had to double check the info, and sign my name. This guy was great!
I had thought that the Repairmen's Certificate was issued at the same
time as the inspection, but that was not the case for us, just passing
along the experience.
Thanks, Jason Kreidler
N44YH - Flying
4 Partner Build #40617
Tony Kolar - Kyle Hokel - Wayne Elsner - Jason Kreidler
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Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:54 am Post subject: Repairmen's Certificate |
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Good info for builders not yet complete.
Along the way on my build, I had scores of pictures taken of me working on various sections as well as documentation of how I ran things.
Put it all together into a power point presentation with text boxes, arrows, etc, and took that to the FSDO when I went for my repairman's certificate. Also took my flight checklist and the annual condition checklists for his review.
Made issuing my certificate a breeze.
grumpy
N184JM
On Aug 3, 2009, at 8:40 AM, jason.kreidler(at)regalbeloit.com (jason.kreidler(at)regalbeloit.com) wrote:
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Just thought I would pass long my experience getting the Repairmen's Certificate for our RV-10. We used Joe Norris who works for EAA in Oshkosh as our DAR and Tech Counselor. Joe said that he does not issue the Repairmen's Certificate, and I had to go to the FSDO to get the cert. While in Oshkosh (since we are local) I got in touch with the Milwaukee FSDO on the field. He offered to go over and look at the airplane with me, and ask a few questions about the construction. This amounted to comparing our paperwork to the data plates, and asking which part we built first. He did comment that our "Experimental" marking was 'marginal' at best. We have it located in the baggage bulkhead, which is somewhat blocked by the rear seat headrests. He didn't demand that we fix it, he said if Joe thought it was OK, then it is OK. I said we would move the markings to the door, as 'marginal' isn't acceptable to me, he was very happy to hear this.
BTW, regarding the "Experimental" marking..... We had Flightline Interiors do our interior, wonderful product, wonderful people. As I said we had our experimental marked on the baggage bulkhead, during our DAR inspection we had to make a new experimental marking because all of the letters embroidered on the bulkhead were not 2" tall. The capitol letters were taller, the lower-case letters were too short. It was in a 'fancy' font, but that wasn't a problem. Abby made good and re-did the piece, so it looks like we now have a take three on the markings.
The next day I brought my laptop into the office and showed him pictures of the build, he wanted to see me actually working, not posing with parts. He also wanted to see me working at all of the stages to prove I was involved from beginning to end. He looked up the RV-10 quickbuild in the database to verify it meets the 51% rule. He asked how I planned to inspect the airplane, and what checklists I had for the inspections. He wanted to hear that our part 43 checklist was modified to include unique maintenance features of our model. He asked me to bring along the builders log, but did not review it. He issued the certificate on the spot. Kinda cool, he even filled out the application overnight, I only had to double check the info, and sign my name. This guy was great!
I had thought that the Repairmen's Certificate was issued at the same time as the inspection, but that was not the case for us, just passing along the experience.
Thanks, Jason Kreidler
N44YH - Flying
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Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 8:25 am Post subject: Repairmen's Certificate |
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great write up
Thanks
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Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 11:09 am Post subject: Repairmen's Certificate |
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To a certain extent I agree! as far as the certificate, no need to show them the plane. I was at a recent FAA safety event and I spoke with the local FSDO rep, he kindly told me to keep good records of what I did, have pictures that show me working on something, be ready to answer what I was doing in a picture with details and be ready to tell them what I plan to do for maintenance, the checklist I'll follow and a few questions on how to repair issues, like an oil leak, mostly just to see if I have an idea of what the certificate involves from me.
Sounds to me that Jason had an interested FSDO person, I have no issue with the FAA giving me feedback this way in a kind way versus an inspection at a field and be told I violate some FAA regs. Anyone who reads the AOPA legal section by Jodice knows that the FAA and NTSB are doing weird things to anyone who is in violation of some rules. I can see this being an issue by a group of local FSDO "inspectors" looking to justify their jobs at a local flyin.
Most of these guys care, take their feedback as a kind offer whenever possible not as another inspection, because you really don’t want to have to deal with what might happen if you are inspected.
Nice write-up BTW Jason!
Pascal
From: ricksked(at)embarqmail.com (ricksked(at)embarqmail.com)
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That's a FSDO that has nothing better to do...It.should only be a interview with the recommendation letter from the DAR....I don't need another inspection...heck they wouldn't even talk to me about doing the airworthiness inspection. I hope my request is less of a hassle than yours
Rick Sked
N246RS
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From: jason.kreidler(at)regalbeloit.com (jason.kreidler(at)regalbeloit.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 08:40:55 -0500
To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Repairmen's Certificate
Just thought I would pass long my experience getting the Repairmen's Certificate for our RV-10. We used Joe Norris who works for EAA in Oshkosh as our DAR and Tech Counselor. Joe said that he does not issue the Repairmen's Certificate, and I had to go to the FSDO to get the cert. While in Oshkosh (since we are local) I got in touch with the Milwaukee FSDO on the field. He offered to go over and look at the airplane with me, and ask a few questions about the construction. This amounted to comparing our paperwork to the data plates, and asking which part we built first. He did comment that our "Experimental" marking was 'marginal' at best. We have it located in the baggage bulkhead, which is somewhat blocked by the rear seat headrests. He didn't demand that we fix it, he said if Joe thought it was OK, then it is OK. I said we would move the markings to the door, as 'marginal' isn't acceptable to me, he was very happy to hear this.
BTW, regarding the "Experimental" marking..... We had Flightline Interiors do our interior, wonderful product, wonderful people. As I said we had our experimental marked on the baggage bulkhead, during our DAR inspection we had to make a new experimental marking because all of the letters embroidered on the bulkhead were not 2" tall. The capitol letters were taller, the lower-case letters were too short. It was in a 'fancy' font, but that wasn't a problem. Abby made good and re-did the piece, so it looks like we now have a take three on the markings.
The next day I brought my laptop into the office and showed him pictures of the build, he wanted to see me actually working, not posing with parts. He also wanted to see me working at all of the stages to prove I was involved from beginning to end. He looked up the RV-10 quickbuild in the database to verify it meets the 51% rule. He asked how I planned to inspect the airplane, and what checklists I had for the inspections. He wanted to hear that our part 43 checklist was modified to include unique maintenance features of our model. He asked me to bring along the builders log, but did not review it. He issued the certificate on the spot. Kinda cool, he even filled out the application overnight, I only had to double check the info, and sign my name. This guy was great!
I had thought that the Repairmen's Certificate was issued at the same time as the inspection, but that was not the case for us, just passing along the experience.
Thanks, Jason Kreidler
N44YH - Flying
4 Partner Build #40617
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Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 12:17 pm Post subject: Repairmen's Certificate |
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I used a DAR and while the FSDO did want me to come to the office, they were
kind enough to appreciate my travel problems (not at all close to the FSDO)
and they worked it through the mail. The important thing to point out is
that they wanted to see me, not the airplane and made no request to see any
paperwork other that what the DAR provided.
Marcus
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