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jkreidler

Joined: 13 Feb 2008
Posts: 151
Location: Sheboygan Falls WI

Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 5:46 am Post subject: Repairmen's Certificate

Just thought I would pass long my experience getting the Repairmen's Certificate for our RV-10.  We used Joe Norris who works for EAA in Oshkosh as our DAR and Tech Counselor.  Joe said that he does not issue the Repairmen's Certificate, and I had to go to the FSDO to get the cert.  While in Oshkosh (since we are local) I got in touch with the Milwaukee FSDO on the field.  He offered to go over and look at the airplane with me, and ask a few questions about the construction.  This amounted to comparing our paperwork to the data plates, and asking which part we built first.  He did comment that our "Experimental" marking was 'marginal' at best.  We have it located in the baggage bulkhead, which is somewhat blocked by the rear seat headrests.  He didn't demand that we fix it, he said if Joe thought it was OK, then it is OK.  I said we would move the markings to the door, as 'marginal' isn't acceptable to me, he was very happy to hear this. 

 

BTW, regarding the "Experimental" marking.....  We had Flightline Interiors do our interior, wonderful product, wonderful people.  As I said we had our experimental marked on the baggage bulkhead, during our DAR inspection we had to make a new experimental marking because all of the letters embroidered on the bulkhead were not 2" tall.  The capitol letters were taller, the lower-case letters were too short.  It was in a 'fancy' font, but that wasn't a problem.  Abby made good and re-did the piece, so it looks like we now have a take three on the markings. 

 

The next day I brought my laptop into the office and showed him pictures of the build, he wanted to see me actually working, not posing with parts.  He also wanted to see me working at all of the stages to prove I was involved from beginning to end.  He looked up the RV-10 quickbuild in the database to verify it meets the 51% rule.  He asked how I planned to inspect the airplane, and what checklists I had for the inspections.  He wanted to hear that our part 43 checklist was modified to include unique maintenance features of our model.  He asked me to bring along the builders log, but did not review it.  He issued the certificate on the spot.  Kinda cool, he even filled out the application overnight, I only had to double check the info, and sign my name.  This guy was great! 

 

I had thought that the Repairmen's Certificate was issued at the same time as the inspection, but that was not the case for us, just passing along the experience. 



 Thanks, Jason Kreidler 

 

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pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net
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Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 6:25 am Post subject: Repairmen's Certificate

Jason,  

   

If the FAA makes the airworthiness inspection you can get the Repairman’s certificate at the same time.  A DAR cannot issue it.  I had my Pietenpol Air Camper (which I flew to OSH this year – it was the green one with yellow wings parked right in front of the Brown Arch) inspected by the FSDO and they issued my repairman’s certificate at the same time as the Airworthiness Certificate.  

   

That certificate is worth a lot – about $1500 a year in annual Condition Inspection costs.  

   

Jack  Phillips, Raleigh NC  

Pietenpol NX899JP  

RV-10 # 40610 (still working on wings – slow build)  

         

  

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 Just thought I would pass long my experience getting the Repairmen's Certificate for our RV-10.  We used Joe Norris who works for EAA in Oshkosh as our DAR and Tech Counselor.  Joe said that he does not issue the Repairmen's Certificate, and I had to go to the FSDO to get the cert.  While in Oshkosh (since we are local) I got in touch with the Milwaukee FSDO on the field.  He offered to go over and look at the airplane with me, and ask a few questions about the construction.  This amounted to comparing our paperwork to the data plates, and asking which part we built first.  He did comment that our "Experimental" marking was 'marginal' at best.  We have it located in the baggage bulkhead, which is somewhat blocked by the rear seat headrests.  He didn't demand that we fix it, he said if Joe thought it was OK, then it is OK.  I said we would move the markings to the door, as 'marginal' isn't acceptable to me, he was very happy to hear this. 

 

 BTW, regarding the "Experimental" marking.....  We had Flightline Interiors do our interior, wonderful product, wonderful people.  As I said we had our experimental marked on the baggage bulkhead, during our DAR inspection we had to make a new experimental marking because all of the letters embroidered on the bulkhead were not 2" tall.  The capitol letters were taller, the lower-case letters were too short.  It was in a 'fancy' font, but that wasn't a problem.  Abby made good and re-did the piece, so it looks like we now have a take three on the markings. 

 

 The next day I brought my laptop into the office and showed him pictures of the build, he wanted to see me actually working, not posing with parts.  He also wanted to see me working at all of the stages to prove I was involved from beginning to end.  He looked up the RV-10 quickbuild in the database to verify it meets the 51% rule.  He asked how I planned to inspect the airplane, and what checklists I had for the inspections.  He wanted to hear that our part 43 checklist was modified to include unique maintenance features of our model.  He asked me to bring along the builders log, but did not review it.  He issued the certificate on the spot.  Kinda cool, he even filled out the application overnight, I only had to double check the info, and sign my name.  This guy was great! 

 

 I had thought that the Repairmen's Certificate was issued at the same time as the inspection, but that was not the case for us, just passing along the experience. 

 

 Thanks, Jason Kreidler 

 

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Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:43 am Post subject: Repairmen's Certificate

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">   That's a FSDO that has nothing better to do...It.should only be a interview with the recommendation letter from the DAR....I don't need another inspection...heck they wouldn't even talk to me about doing the airworthiness inspection. I hope my request is less of a hassle than yours Rick SkedN246RS

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Just thought I would pass long my experience getting the Repairmen's Certificate for our RV-10.  We used Joe Norris who works for EAA in Oshkosh as our DAR and Tech Counselor.  Joe said that he does not issue the Repairmen's Certificate, and I had to go to the FSDO to get the cert.  While in Oshkosh (since we are local) I got in touch with the Milwaukee FSDO on the field.  He offered to go over and look at the airplane with me, and ask a few questions about the construction.  This amounted to comparing our paperwork to the data plates, and asking which part we built first.  He did comment that our "Experimental" marking was 'marginal' at best.  We have it located in the baggage bulkhead, which is somewhat blocked by the rear seat headrests.  He didn't demand that we fix it, he said if Joe thought it was OK, then it is OK.  I said we would move the markings to the door, as 'marginal' isn't acceptable to me, he was very happy to hear this.

BTW, regarding the "Experimental" marking.....  We had Flightline Interiors do our interior, wonderful product, wonderful people.  As I said we had our experimental marked on the baggage bulkhead, during our DAR inspection we had to make a new experimental marking because all of the letters embroidered on the bulkhead were not 2" tall.  The capitol letters were taller, the lower-case letters were too short.  It was in a 'fancy' font, but that wasn't a problem.  Abby made good and re-did the piece, so it looks like we now have a take three on the markings.

The next day I brought my laptop into the office and showed him pictures of the build, he wanted to see me actually working, not posing with parts.  He also wanted to see me working at all of the stages to prove I was involved from beginning to end.  He looked up the RV-10 quickbuild in the database to verify it meets the 51% rule.  He asked how I planned to inspect the airplane, and what checklists I had for the inspections.  He wanted to hear that our part 43 checklist was modified to include unique maintenance features of our model.  He asked me to bring along the builders log, but did not review it.  He issued the certificate on the spot.  Kinda cool, he even filled out the application overnight, I only had to double check the info, and sign my name.  This guy was great!

I had thought that the Repairmen's Certificate was issued at the same time as the inspection, but that was not the case for us, just passing along the experience.

 Thanks, Jason Kreidler

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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
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Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:52 am Post subject: Repairmen's Certificate

If you use a DAR, you must apply in person for the Repairman's

cert.  If you use the Feds, they can issue it without

appearing in person.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD



jason.kreidler(at)regalbeloit.com wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 Just thought I would pass long my experience getting the Repairmen's 

 Certificate for our RV-10.  We used Joe Norris who works for EAA in 

 Oshkosh as our DAR and Tech Counselor.  Joe said that he does not issue 

 the Repairmen's Certificate, and I had to go to the FSDO to get the 

 cert.  While in Oshkosh (since we are local) I got in touch with the 

 Milwaukee FSDO on the field.  He offered to go over and look at the 

 airplane with me, and ask a few questions about the construction.  This 

 amounted to comparing our paperwork to the data plates, and asking which 

 part we built first.  He did comment that our "Experimental" marking was 

 'marginal' at best.  We have it located in the baggage bulkhead, which 

 is somewhat blocked by the rear seat headrests.  He didn't demand that 

 we fix it, he said if Joe thought it was OK, then it is OK.  I said we 

 would move the markings to the door, as 'marginal' isn't acceptable to 

 me, he was very happy to hear this.

 

 BTW, regarding the "Experimental" marking.....  We had Flightline 

 Interiors do our interior, wonderful product, wonderful people.  As I 

 said we had our experimental marked on the baggage bulkhead, during our 

 DAR inspection we had to make a new experimental marking because all of 

 the letters embroidered on the bulkhead were not 2" tall.  The capitol 

 letters were taller, the lower-case letters were too short.  It was in a 

 'fancy' font, but that wasn't a problem.  Abby made good and re-did the 

 piece, so it looks like we now have a take three on the markings.

 

 The next day I brought my laptop into the office and showed him pictures 

 of the build, he wanted to see me actually working, not posing with 

 parts.  He also wanted to see me working at all of the stages to prove I 

 was involved from beginning to end.  He looked up the RV-10 quickbuild 

 in the database to verify it meets the 51% rule.  He asked how I planned 

 to inspect the airplane, and what checklists I had for the inspections. 

  He wanted to hear that our part 43 checklist was modified to include 

 unique maintenance features of our model.  He asked me to bring along 

 the builders log, but did not review it.  He issued the certificate on 

 the spot.  Kinda cool, he even filled out the application overnight, I 

 only had to double check the info, and sign my name.  This guy was great!

 

 I had thought that the Repairmen's Certificate was issued at the same 

 time as the inspection, but that was not the case for us, just passing 

 along the experience.

 

 Thanks, Jason Kreidler

 

 N44YH - Flying

 4 Partner Build #40617

 Tony Kolar - Kyle Hokel - Wayne Elsner - Jason Kreidler

 

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Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:54 am Post subject: Repairmen's Certificate

Good info for builders not yet complete.



Along the way on my build, I had scores of pictures taken of me working on various sections as well as documentation of how I ran things.

Put it all together into a power point presentation with text boxes, arrows, etc, and took that to the FSDO when I went for my repairman's certificate.  Also took my flight checklist and the annual condition checklists for his review.

Made issuing my certificate a breeze.

grumpy

N184JM



On Aug 3, 2009, at 8:40 AM, jason.kreidler(at)regalbeloit.com (jason.kreidler(at)regalbeloit.com) wrote:

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Just thought I would pass long my experience getting the Repairmen's Certificate for our RV-10.  We used Joe Norris who works for EAA in Oshkosh as our DAR and Tech Counselor.  Joe said that he does not issue the Repairmen's Certificate, and I had to go to the FSDO to get the cert.  While in Oshkosh (since we are local) I got in touch with the Milwaukee FSDO on the field.  He offered to go over and look at the airplane with me, and ask a few questions about the construction.  This amounted to comparing our paperwork to the data plates, and asking which part we built first.  He did comment that our "Experimental" marking was 'marginal' at best.  We have it located in the baggage bulkhead, which is somewhat blocked by the rear seat headrests.  He didn't demand that we fix it, he said if Joe thought it was OK, then it is OK.  I said we would move the markings to the door, as 'marginal' isn't acceptable to me, he was very happy to hear this. 

 

BTW, regarding the "Experimental" marking.....  We had Flightline Interiors do our interior, wonderful product, wonderful people.  As I said we had our experimental marked on the baggage bulkhead, during our DAR inspection we had to make a new experimental marking because all of the letters embroidered on the bulkhead were not 2" tall.  The capitol letters were taller, the lower-case letters were too short.  It was in a 'fancy' font, but that wasn't a problem.  Abby made good and re-did the piece, so it looks like we now have a take three on the markings. 

 

The next day I brought my laptop into the office and showed him pictures of the build, he wanted to see me actually working, not posing with parts.  He also wanted to see me working at all of the stages to prove I was involved from beginning to end.  He looked up the RV-10 quickbuild in the database to verify it meets the 51% rule.  He asked how I planned to inspect the airplane, and what checklists I had for the inspections.  He wanted to hear that our part 43 checklist was modified to include unique maintenance features of our model.  He asked me to bring along the builders log, but did not review it.  He issued the certificate on the spot.  Kinda cool, he even filled out the application overnight, I only had to double check the info, and sign my name.  This guy was great! 

 

I had thought that the Repairmen's Certificate was issued at the same time as the inspection, but that was not the case for us, just passing along the experience. 



 Thanks, Jason Kreidler 

 

N44YH - Flying 

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Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 8:25 am Post subject: Repairmen's Certificate

great write up

  

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Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 11:09 am Post subject: Repairmen's Certificate

To a certain extent  I agree! as far as the  certificate, no need to show them the plane. I was at a  recent FAA safety event and I spoke with the local FSDO rep, he kindly told me  to keep good records of what I did, have pictures that show me working on  something, be ready to answer what I was doing in a picture with details and be  ready to tell them what I plan to do for maintenance, the checklist I'll follow  and a few questions on how to repair issues, like an oil leak, mostly just to  see if I have an idea of what the certificate involves from me.

  

 Sounds to me that Jason had an interested FSDO person, I have  no issue with the FAA giving me feedback this way in a kind way versus an  inspection at a field and be told I violate some FAA regs. Anyone who reads the  AOPA legal section by Jodice knows that the FAA and NTSB are doing weird things  to anyone who is in violation of some rules. I can see this being an issue  by a group of local FSDO  "inspectors" looking to justify their jobs at a  local flyin.

 Most of these guys care, take their feedback as a kind offer  whenever possible not as another inspection, because you really don’t want to  have to deal with what might happen if you are inspected.

  

 Nice write-up BTW Jason!

  

 Pascal

  



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That's a FSDO that has nothing better to do...It.should only be a  interview with the recommendation letter from the DAR....I don't need another  inspection...heck they wouldn't even talk to me about doing the airworthiness  inspection. I hope my request is less of a hassle than yours 



Rick  Sked

N246RS  

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  From: jason.kreidler(at)regalbeloit.com (jason.kreidler(at)regalbeloit.com)

Date:  Mon, 3 Aug 2009 08:40:55 -0500

To:  <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Repairmen's  Certificate

 



Just thought I would pass long my  experience getting the Repairmen's Certificate for our RV-10.  We used Joe  Norris who works for EAA in Oshkosh as our DAR and Tech Counselor.  Joe  said that he does not issue the Repairmen's Certificate, and I had to go to the  FSDO to get the cert.  While in Oshkosh (since we are local) I got in touch  with the Milwaukee FSDO on the field.  He offered to go over and look at  the airplane with me, and ask a few questions about the construction.  This  amounted to comparing our paperwork to the data plates, and asking which part we  built first.  He did comment that our "Experimental" marking was 'marginal'  at best.  We have it located in the baggage bulkhead, which is somewhat  blocked by the rear seat headrests.  He didn't demand that we fix it, he  said if Joe thought it was OK, then it is OK.  I said we would move the  markings to the door, as 'marginal' isn't acceptable to me, he was very happy to  hear this.



BTW, regarding the  "Experimental" marking.....  We had Flightline Interiors do our interior,  wonderful product, wonderful people.  As I said we had our experimental  marked on the baggage bulkhead, during our DAR inspection we had to make a new  experimental marking because all of the letters embroidered on the bulkhead were  not 2" tall.  The capitol letters were taller, the lower-case letters were  too short.  It was in a 'fancy' font, but that wasn't a problem.  Abby  made good and re-did the piece, so it looks like we now have a take three on the  markings.



The next day I brought my  laptop into the office and showed him pictures of the build, he wanted to see me  actually working, not posing with parts.  He also wanted to see me working  at all of the stages to prove I was involved from beginning to end.  He  looked up the RV-10 quickbuild in the database to verify it meets the 51% rule.   He asked how I planned to inspect the airplane, and what checklists I had  for the inspections.  He wanted to hear that our part 43 checklist was  modified to include unique maintenance features of our model.  He asked me  to bring along the builders log, but did not review it.  He issued the  certificate on the spot.  Kinda cool, he even filled out the application  overnight, I only had to double check the info, and sign my name.  This guy  was great!



I had thought that the  Repairmen's Certificate was issued at the same time as the inspection, but that  was not the case for us, just passing along the experience.



Thanks, Jason Kreidler



N44YH - Flying

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Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 12:17 pm Post subject: Repairmen's Certificate

I used a DAR and while the FSDO did want me to come to the office, they were

kind enough to appreciate my travel problems (not at all close to the FSDO)

and they worked it through the mail.  The important thing to point out is

that they wanted to see me, not the airplane and made no request to see any

paperwork other that what the DAR provided.



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