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mjpereira68(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 7:20 pm Post subject: Check this out

Oh and I agree if conditions ever exist to make manufacturing

desirable on the level it used to be in this country the companies

would have a hard time filling jobs.



The thing is, that will result in high wages which will have the

follow on effect of people wanting to invest in learning those skills

which will stimulate the construction of trade schools, ad infinitum.

In a truly free market, the above problem isn't much of a problem

unless the desire for increased manufacturing capacity is time

sensitive because of an ongoing hot war.



On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 8:04 PM, Michael Pereira<mjpereira68(at)gmail.com> wrote:

[quote] On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 5:07 PM, S. Ramirez<simon(at)synchdes.com> wrote:

> What this says, Rick, is that once our business experts and leaders realize

> that a great country cannot be great without manufacturing, they will

> attempt to restart manufacturing, but we won’t have qualified machinists and

> other similar craftsman/tradesmen to do it.  We will have to import this

> technology and expertise, thus creating a whole new problem.  It’s too bad

> that our present leaders were and are trained in MBA schools to maximize

> this quarter’s bottom line and not tomorrow’s.



 How about instead of smacking around Joe CEO that we modify our

 country's business environment ? You know, like reducing corporate

 taxation since our country has the highest corporate tax rate in the

 western world. Or maybe reining in the insane environmental

 regulations that allow non-involved 3rd parties to sue to prevent the

 building of any kind of industrial infrastructure (like nuke plants or

 oil refineries for example) for years to decades.



 Complain about corporate stupidity and bean counters all you want,

 but,  reality is that any company that behaves differently will be put

 out of business by it's more efficiently operating competitors (or be

 put out of business by a nationalized company that no longer needs to

 heed efficiency at all; I still can't believe I have to say that in

 the United States).



 If you want different results we need to change the underlying

 fundamentals that are driving the corporate behaviors we all

 (including me) find annoying.



 Sorry for the political content. I do think being mechanically

 competent is important.

 But, with all the insanity going on in the US today I can't let

 certain kinds of rhetoric pass uncommented. And, now that Obama

 himself is telling me to shut up lest my neighbors report me,  I'm

 super pissed on top of it (I don't mean pissed or even annoyed at

 Simon, my opinion just differs from his and Simon, as far as I know,

 isn't trying to oppress me *smirks*).



 c'ya,

 Sorry,

 Michael



>

> Simon Ramirez

>

> Copyright 2009

>

> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com

> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard

> Girard

> Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 5:34 PM

> To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com

> Subject: Re: Check this out

>

> When my son was in his high school in the suburbs of Seattle, Washington was

> busy getting rid of all it's shop classes. When we complained, the school

> principal replied that all kids would be educated to go to college and if

> they wanted to get into trades they could go to an industrial arts school

> afterward. This was when all the "experts" said we were going to be an

> "information economy". Funny thing though, no one could ever answer my

> question as to what that information would be? The latest "star"? The latest

> trivia? We certainly wouldn't have any information about making things. And

> now we don't make so much anymore. Maybe we can sell information about how

> to ruin an economy by surrendering it to bankers and financiers.

>

> MHO.

>

> Rick Girard

>

> do not archive

>

> On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Terry Watson <terry(at)tcwatson.com> wrote:

>

> 

>

> I will confess to a strong possibility of prejudice based on my own

>

> experience growing up on a farm, but I don't understand the use of the word

> "orthogonal" in this context. I understand and agree that growing up poor is

> a strong motivation to do things for ones self. I did run across an

> interesting book that I think is on the very subject Bob was talking about.

> I downloaded and read the free sample on my Kindle and will probably buy and

> read the book. As an aside, I have discovered the book reviews on Amazon.com

> to be a fascinating source of discovery. It's a little like wandering

> through a library and sampling books, but all from your own computer and

> with in many cases dozens of thoughtful reviews of the book. This particular

> book is SHOP CLASS AS SOULCRAFT by Matthew B. Crawford. I think Bob in

> particular would find it pertinent to his ideas. The link to the book is:

> http://tinyurl.com/nrybq5

>

> Terry

>

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mprather(at)spro.net
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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 9:20 pm Post subject: Check this out

 	  Quote: 	

 <mjpereira68(at)gmail.com>

 On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 5:07 PM, S. Ramirez<simon(at)synchdes.com> wrote:

> What this says, Rick, is that once our business experts and leaders

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 	  Quote: 	
		  > that our present leaders were and are trained in MBA schools to maximize

> this quarter’s bottom line and not tomorrow’s.

 How about instead of smacking around Joe CEO that we modify our

 country's business environment ? You know, like reducing corporate

 taxation since our country has the highest corporate tax rate in the

Our corporate tax rate encourages companies to make capital expenditures

instead of report large profits.  Businesses are quite able to decide

whether they report a profit or not.  They often give raises or bonuses

which count as expenses against profits, adjusting the tax bill down. 

This leads to another noteworthy statistic - America CEO's are very highly

compensated..  I'm not saying it's wrong, just that the tax rate is only

part of the picture..

Matt-

Bob Collins

Joined: 11 Mar 2006
Posts: 470
Location: St. Paul, Minnesota

Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:32 am Post subject: Check this out

You know, aviation is a way for me to escape politics and have fun. Can we

please get off this now. Nobody has ever had their mind changed by a

politics thread on the Internet.



Let's get back to electrical issues in our planes and leave this other stuff

for the talk shows.



 



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Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
Letters from Flyover Country
http://rvnewsletter.blogspot.com/

frank.hinde(at)hp.com
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 6:27 am Post subject: Check this out

An RV of course..Not that I'm biased or anything..



Frank

RV7a...180mph at 7GPH in IMC!...More fuel efficient than the Zodiac..



Do not archive 



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nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 7:31 am Post subject: Check this out

 	  Quote: 	
		  




<bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.net>



You know, aviation is a way for me to escape politics and have fun. Can we

please get off this now. Nobody has ever had their mind changed by a

politics thread on the Internet.



Let's get back to electrical issues in our planes and leave this other stuff

for the talk shows.


	




  There's a difference between "politics" and observation,

  study, discussion and observation of conditions that have

  a direct influence upon our ability to "escape politics

  and have fun". This is a good example of why we should

  be wary of "thread creep" in the subject line of our

  discussions. I'm sure no one on the List wants you to

  stumble into discussions that do not align with your personal

  participation goals for the List.



        Bob . . .



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        ( . . .  a long habit of not thinking   )

        ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial )

        ( appearance of being right . . .       )

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        (                  -Thomas Paine 1776-  )

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Bob Collins

Joined: 11 Mar 2006
Posts: 470
Location: St. Paul, Minnesota

Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:56 am Post subject: Check this out

Not criticizing your keen observation at all. Just lamenting where the

conversation went after that. 



There are a million places to get people's opinions on Obama or the

government's tax policy. But there's only one place to get Bob Nuckholls'

excellent advice (and observations). 



 



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Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
Letters from Flyover Country
http://rvnewsletter.blogspot.com/

Terry Watson

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 290
Location: Seattle, WA USA

Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:23 am Post subject: Check this out

Just tune it out with your delete key, Bob. We don't have to listen to every

tune or program on our favorite radio station and we don't have to follow

every thread on the AeroElectric List. It doesn't stop anyone from talking

about airplane electrics. 



Terry

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Bob Collins

Joined: 11 Mar 2006
Posts: 470
Location: St. Paul, Minnesota

Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:50 am Post subject: Check this out

OK, skip it. Forget I said anything.



No sense opening up a whole new front. 



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Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
Letters from Flyover Country
http://rvnewsletter.blogspot.com/

mjpereira68(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:12 am Post subject: Check this out

Bob,



I would agree with you, but, i'm tired of small little things getting

introduced then people like me getting called on answering it.



Sorry, i'll be happy to shutup, but i'm not going to restrain myself

from civil responses now.



c'ya,

Michael

On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 6:11 AM, Bob Collins<bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.net> wrote:

[quote] 



 You know, aviation is a way for me to escape politics and have fun. Can we

 please get off this now. Nobody has ever had their mind changed by a

 politics thread on the Internet.



 Let's get back to electrical issues in our planes and leave this other stuff

 for the talk shows.



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walter.fellows(at)gmail.c
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Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 4:07 pm Post subject: Check this out

There is wisdom in your message but it will be helpful to those of focusing

on aeroelectrics if you can mark it off topic.



at, Aug 8, 2009 at 6:49 PM, <jaybannist(at)cs.com> wrote:



[quote] It happened sometime during my generation (born 1935).  Up until and during

 WWII, it was “honorable” to be in the trades, working with your hands

nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect
Guest

Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 5:50 pm Post subject: Check this out

At 06:56 PM 8/16/2009, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  There is wisdom in your message but it will be helpful to those of 

focusing on aeroelectrics if you can mark it off topic.


	


   But it was on topic to the thread I originally posted under that 

subject . . .

        Bob . . .



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        ( . . .  a long habit of not thinking   )

        ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial )

        ( appearance of being right . . .       )

        (                                       )

        (                  -Thomas Paine 1776-  )

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