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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 3:55 pm Post subject: Europa performance

HI THERE C 

I am buying a Europa XS Monowheel with Jabiru 3300 and airmaster constant speed prop. anybody cold tell me the cuirse speed and fuel burn expected with this configuration.

thanks in advance

Gustavo

 	  Quote: 	
		   Date: Sun C 20 Sep 2009 19:44:13 -0400

 From: acrojim(at)cfl.rr.com

 To: europa-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Mono Inner Tyre Failures

 --> Europa-List message posted by: <acrojim(at)cfl.rr.com>

 Fred

 I think this is the 4th set of outriggers I have replaced over the years. Each set was made longer Cabout 1/2 inch each time. My monowheel is an XS model Cand not the classic so there may be a difference in lengths of the outriggers as supplied by the factory???

 In looking back when I was learning to land the monowheel C FOR ME I think the learning curve would have gone better had the outriggers been longer... Let me explain....During landings Cafter touchdown C the rocking from side to side of the wings with the short outriggers gave me the inpression that the plane was starting to turn to one side or the other C and I sometime corrected  for a turn C when there was no turn. It took a while for my brain and my feet to come togather in my mind. Before I started flying the monowheel C I had acculuminated 1000 plus hours in a Pitts S-1-S which I owned. My perspective of what was going on outside the monowheel during the landing roll out C was affected by what I had seen in the Pitts.

 I'm not sure how a low time pilot might feel C or be aware of what is happing in the landing roll out of their monowheel.

 I don't know if anyone has posted their thoughts on this subject.....but please DO NOT change out the outriggers on your plane on basis of my experience.

 Please understand I am not suggesting that anyone run out and change outriggers for longer ones.

 Jim Brown.

 ---- Fred Klein <fklein(at)orcasonline.com> wrote: 

 > --> Europa-List message posted by: Fred Klein <fklein(at)orcasonline.com>

 > 

 > 

 > On Sep 20 C 2009 C at 5:10 AM C Jim Brown wrote:

 > 

 > > Over the past ten years I have extened the outriggers in length C to  

 > > now when the plane is parked C both outriggers touch the ground. For  

 > > me ground handling is much better C and in landing with the longer  

 > > outriggers the "rocking from one outrigger to the other" is now gone.

 > 

 > Jim C

 > 

 > Have you made the outriggers longer incrementally over the years or in  

 > one fell swoop?

 > 

 > Would you venture an opinion as to whether or not the shorter legs  

 > were advantageous initially as you familiarized yourself w/ the mono?

 > 

 > Sounds like you've had excellent results w/ the smaller tire at higher  

 > pressure on the hardsurface runways you use...thanks for putting your  

 > oar in to this discussion.

 > 

 > Fred

 > A194 XS mono

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > 

======================

&gt=====================

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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 4:34 pm Post subject: Europa performance

Hi Gustavo



Jim Brown's advice is probably good.  My europa's wheel is considerably larger and therefore the outriggers probably should be lengthened so they contact the ground when is sits unoccupied.

 



The nylon leg material can be ordered here if it is not available in Argentina.  If you wish, I can order the material for you and include it with the aircraft.

Tom



 On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Gustavo Sessarego <gsessare(at)hotmail.com (gsessare(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:

[quote]      HI THERE, 



I am buying a Europa XS Monowheel with Jabiru 3300 and airmaster constant speed prop. anybody cold tell me the cuirse speed and fuel burn expected with this configuration.



thanks in advance

Gustavo

 

 	  Quote: 	
		   Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 19:44:13 -0400

 From: acrojim(at)cfl.rr.com (acrojim(at)cfl.rr.com)

 To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com)

 > Subject: Re: Mono Inner Tyre Failures
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   

 --> Europa-List message posted by: <acrojim(at)cfl.rr.com (acrojim(at)cfl.rr.com)>

 

 Fred

 

 > I think this is the 4th set of outriggers I have replaced over the years. Each set was made longer,about 1/2 inch each time. My monowheel is an XS model,and not the classic so there may be a difference in lengths of the outriggers as supplied by the factory???
	


 > 

 	  Quote: 	
		   In looking back when I was learning to land the monowheel, FOR ME I think the learning curve would have gone better had the outriggers been longer... Let me explain....During landings,after touchdown, the rocking from side to side of the wings with the short outriggers gave me the inpression that the plane was starting to turn to one side or the other, and I sometime corrected  for a turn, when there was no turn. It took a while for my brain and my feet to come togather in my mind. Before I started flying the monowheel, I had acculuminated 1000 plus hours in a Pitts S-1-S which I owned. My perspective of what was going on outside the monowheel during the landing roll out, was affected by what I had seen in the Pitts.

 > 
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   I'm not sure how a low time pilot might feel, or be aware of what is happing in the landing roll out of their monowheel.

 I don't know if anyone has posted their thoughts on this subject.....but please DO NOT change out the outriggers on your plane on basis of my experience.

 >  
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   Please understand I am not suggesting that anyone run out and change outriggers for longer ones.

 

 Jim Brown.

 

 

 ---- Fred Klein <fklein(at)orcasonline.com (fklein(at)orcasonline.com)> wrote: 

 > > --> Europa-List message posted by: Fred Klein <fklein(at)orcasonline.com (fklein(at)orcasonline.com)>
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   > 

 > 

 > On Sep 20, 2009, at 5:10 AM, Jim Brown wrote:

 > > 
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   > > Over the past ten years I have extened the outriggers in length, to  

 > > now when the plane is parked, both outriggers touch the ground. For  

 > > me ground handling is much better, and in landing with the longer  

 > > > outriggers the "rocking from one outrigger to the other" is now gone.
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   > 

 > Jim,

 > 

 > Have you made the outriggers longer incrementally over the years or in  

 > > one fell swoop?
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   > 

 > Would you venture an opinion as to whether or not the shorter legs  

 > were advantageous initially as you familiarized yourself w/ the mono?

 > 

 > > Sounds like you've had excellent results w/ the smaller tire at higher  
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   > pressure on the hardsurface runways you use...thanks for putting your  

 > oar in to this discussion.

 > 

 > > Fred
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   > A194 XS mono

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > 

======================

&gt=====================
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 


	


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gsessare(at)hotmail.com
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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 4:51 pm Post subject: Europa performance

Thanks Tom C



good idea....!! if you can order there I will apreciate it C since here in Argentina is difficult to get those things...



GUS



Date: Sun C 20 Sep 2009 17:31:57 -0700

Subject: Re: Europa performance

From: 96victor(at)gmail.com

To: europa-list(at)matronics.com



Hi Gustavo



Jim Brown's advice is probably good.  My europa's wheel is considerably larger and therefore the outriggers probably should be lengthened so they contact the ground when is sits unoccupied.

 



The nylon leg material can be ordered here if it is not available in Argentina.  If you wish C I can order the material for you and include it with the aircraft.

Tom



 On Sun C Sep 20 C 2009 at 4:54 PM C Gustavo Sessarego <gsessare(at)hotmail.com (gsessare(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		        HI THERE C 



I am buying a Europa XS Monowheel with Jabiru 3300 and airmaster constant speed prop. anybody cold tell me the cuirse speed and fuel burn expected with this configuration.



thanks in advance

Gustavo

 

 	  Quote: 	
		   Date: Sun C 20 Sep 2009 19:44:13 -0400

 From: acrojim(at)cfl.rr.com (acrojim(at)cfl.rr.com)

 To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com)

 > Subject: Re: Mono Inner Tyre Failures
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   

 --> Europa-List message posted by: <acrojim(at)cfl.rr.com (acrojim(at)cfl.rr.com)>

 

 Fred

 

 > I think this is the 4th set of outriggers I have replaced over the years. Each set was made longer Cabout 1/2 inch each time. My monowheel is an XS model Cand not the classic so there may be a difference in lengths of the outriggers as supplied by the factory???
	


 > 

 	  Quote: 	
		   In looking back when I was learning to land the monowheel C FOR ME I think the learning curve would have gone better had the outriggers been longer... Let me explain....During landings Cafter touchdown C the rocking from side to side of the wings with the short outriggers gave me the inpression that the plane was starting to turn to one side or the other C and I sometime corrected  for a turn C when there was no turn. It took a while for my brain and my feet to come togather in my mind. Before I started flying the monowheel C I had acculuminated 1000 plus hours in a Pitts S-1-S which I owned. My perspective of what was going on outside the monowheel during the landing roll out C was affected by what I had seen in the Pitts.

 > 
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   I'm not sure how a low time pilot might feel C or be aware of what is happing in the landing roll out of their monowheel.

 I don't know if anyone has posted their thoughts on this subject.....but please DO NOT change out the outriggers on your plane on basis of my experience.

 >  
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   Please understand I am not suggesting that anyone run out and change outriggers for longer ones.

 

 Jim Brown.

 

 

 ---- Fred Klein <fklein(at)orcasonline.com (fklein(at)orcasonline.com)> wrote: 

 > > --> Europa-List message posted by: Fred Klein <fklein(at)orcasonline.com (fklein(at)orcasonline.com)>
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   > 

 > 

 > On Sep 20 C 2009 C at 5:10 AM C Jim Brown wrote:

 > > 
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   > > Over the past ten years I have extened the outriggers in length C to  

 > > now when the plane is parked C both outriggers touch the ground. For  

 > > me ground handling is much better C and in landing with the longer  

 > > > outriggers the "rocking from one outrigger to the other" is now gone.
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   > 

 > Jim C

 > 

 > Have you made the outriggers longer incrementally over the years or in  

 > > one fell swoop?
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   > 

 > Would you venture an opinion as to whether or not the shorter legs  

 > were advantageous initially as you familiarized yourself w/ the mono?

 > 

 > > Sounds like you've had excellent results w/ the smaller tire at higher  
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   > pressure on the hardsurface runways you use...thanks for putting your  

 > oar in to this discussion.

 > 

 > > Fred
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   > A194 XS mono

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > 

======================

&gt=====================
	


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