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AZFlyer

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 89
Location: Prescott, AZ

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 9:52 am Post subject: SAF-AIR Oil Drain Sump Valve

List,



Saf-Air sells a "push and turn to lock open" drain valve for the Jab. 2200/3300 engine.  However, it is my understanding that Jab has moved the drain from the bottom to the side (as is the case with my 3300).  This makes the straight Saf-Air valve useless.  Has anybody found a 90 deg. nipple that makes this valve a good way to go?  ACS P/N 05-00986



...or maybe another mfgr?



Thanks,

Mike

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Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 11:40 am Post subject: SAF-AIR Oil Drain Sump Valve

I purchased my Curtis valve with a 90 deg connector from Pete at Jabiru USA. 

It works well and makes oil changes a breeze.  Dont even get my fingers 

dirty >



Ivan

Phoenix,  AZ

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Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 11:51 am Post subject: SAF-AIR Oil Drain Sump Valve

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  Mike

  

 I bought a quick drain valve, I think through Spruce, tat would not work  when I tried it.  I contacted the manufacturer who happened to be located  in Chandler, AZ.  He was just finishing an elbow to fix the problem.   I got to install the prototype on my 3300A.  Worked great although it was a  little expensive.

  

 Bill

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Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 11:53 am Post subject: SAF-AIR Oil Drain Sump Valve

I'll bet you get 'em dirty when you change the filter, though. : )



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

Jabiru 2200, #2062, 791.3 hrs

Countdown to 1000 hrs~211 to go

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On Oct 10, 2009, at 3:36 PM, Ivan wrote:



[quote] 



 I purchased my Curtis valve with a 90 deg connector from Pete at  

 Jabiru USA. It works well and makes oil changes a breeze.  Dont  

 even get my fingers dirty >



 Ivan

 Phoenix,  AZ

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Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
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imap8ntr(at)cox.net
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Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 12:50 pm Post subject: SAF-AIR Oil Drain Sump Valve

Nope !.  I let it drain well and only get my index finger wet from lubing 

the gasket >

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imap8ntr(at)cox.net
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Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 12:51 pm Post subject: SAF-AIR Oil Drain Sump Valve

Bill

 That is why I just got mine from  Pete.  Curtis, in Chandler, was about the same price but atleast when I got  it from Jabiru USA I knew I would get exactly what I needed with the correct 90  deg elbow.

  

 Ivan

  

  

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AZFlyer

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 89
Location: Prescott, AZ

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 1:45 pm Post subject: Re: SAF-AIR Oil Drain Sump Valve

Wow,



Appreciate all your responses.  Thanks!



Back to building...



Mike

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craig(at)craigandjean.com
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Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 2:10 pm Post subject: SAF-AIR Oil Drain Sump Valve

Curtis (and Spruce) also sell a quick drain for Jabirus. The Spruce p/n for

the Curtis drain for the Jabiru is 05-03698 ($31.75). And they have a 90

degrees adapter. The Spruce p/n for the Curtis adapter is 08-06258 ($49.75).

You can buy them as a pair for $79.95 (Spruce p/n 05-03540).



-- Craig

	



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Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:25 pm Post subject: SAF-AIR Oil Drain Sump Valve

I was referring to the mess that runs down the side of the engine  

from the filter, then...in my case...behind the aluminum tunnel that  

houses my oil cooler. I try to catch it with paper towels, but some  

always gets by. I made an aluminum tray device to try to catch the  

oil, but it's more of a hassle than it's worth, so I have just  

resigned myself to plan on a cleanup at every oil/filter  

change....and they come often, the way I fly.



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

Jabiru 2200, #2062, 791.3 hrs

Countdown to 1000 hrs~211 to go

Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop

Electroair direct-fire ignition system

Rotec TBI-40 injection

Status: flying

On Oct 10, 2009, at 4:46 PM, Ivan wrote:



[quote] 



 Nope !.  I let it drain well and only get my index finger wet from  

 lubing the gasket >

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Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:13 pm Post subject: SAF-AIR Oil Drain Sump Valve

Lynn,

 Had a buddy who would punch a hole in the filter and let it drain where he could catch it.I never thought it was very sporting.

 G.Aman

 

   

 

   

 

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Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 5:55 pm Post subject: SAF-AIR Oil Drain Sump Valve

Not very sporting, indeed!  I once bought one of those "hose clamp- 

hole punching-drain tube thingies", and used it once. I guess deep  

down I didn't think IT was too sporting either. : )



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

Jabiru 2200, #2062, 791.3 hrs

Countdown to 1000 hrs~211 to go

Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop

Electroair direct-fire ignition system

Rotec TBI-40 injection

Status: flying

do not archive



On Oct 10, 2009, at 8:05 PM, zeprep251(at)aol.com wrote:



[quote] Lynn,

 Had a buddy who would punch a hole in the filter and let it drain  

 where he could catch it.I never thought it was very sporting.

 G.Aman

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Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 1:40 am Post subject: SAF-AIR Oil Drain Sump Valve

I change the oil on mine with a suction device through the filler tube 

straight into a container.



Its a bit of a long job as the tube diameter is small but nothing to unscrew 

and no mess at all



Pat

Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 2:53 am Post subject: SAF-AIR Oil Drain Sump Valve

It seems to me that you wouldn't be getting all the *possible* junk  

that might be laying at the bottom of the pan that way...just a thought.



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

Jabiru 2200, #2062, 791.3 hrs

Countdown to 1000 hrs~211 to go

Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop

Electroair direct-fire ignition system

Rotec TBI-40 injection

Status: flying

do not archive



On Oct 11, 2009, at 5:37 AM, pj.ladd wrote:



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 I change the oil on mine with a suction device through the filler  

 tube straight into a container.



 Its a bit of a long job as the tube diameter is small but nothing  

 to unscrew and no mess at all



 Pat

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Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
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Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 7:40 am Post subject: SAF-AIR Oil Drain Sump Valve

.just a thought.>>

Hi,

it had ocurred to me but I suppose there could be `bits` which don`t flow 

out through the drain hole either. Does anyone introduce anything (petrol?) 

to help swill out the last drop of sludge?.



PaT

imap8ntr(at)cox.net
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Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 7:58 am Post subject: SAF-AIR Oil Drain Sump Valve

No Petrol but I run up the engine before draining the oil.  This way it will 

drain easier, quicker and hopefully stir up some of the stuff on the bottom 

of the pan.  The filter should get the rest?

Ivan

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rickofudall

Joined: 19 Sep 2009
Posts: 1392
Location: Udall, KS, USA

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 7:58 am Post subject: SAF-AIR Oil Drain Sump Valve

Pat, I used to know a Porsche mechanic who recommended a double oil change for this purpose. Change the oil, drive around the block a few times to get the new oil warm and through the system, then drain and change again. His justification was, "oil is cheaper than engines". Of course that was in the days of 50 cent a quart oil. Still...... 

Rick Girard



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 .just a thought.>>

 Hi,

 it had ocurred to me but I suppose there could be `bits` which don`t flow out through the drain hole either. Does anyone introduce anything (petrol?) to help swill out the last drop of sludge?.

 

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Lynn Matteson

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Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 8:06 am Post subject: SAF-AIR Oil Drain Sump Valve

I've even thought of running the right side of the plane up on a  

block of wood....2x6 or something similar...to insure that the drain  

plug would be on the low side, but never bothered.



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

Jabiru 2200, #2062, 791.3 hrs

Countdown to 1000 hrs~211 to go

Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop

Electroair direct-fire ignition system

Rotec TBI-40 injection

Status: flying

do not archive



On Oct 11, 2009, at 11:57 AM, Ivan wrote:



[quote] 



 No Petrol but I run up the engine before draining the oil.  This  

 way it will drain easier, quicker and hopefully stir up some of the  

 stuff on the bottom of the pan.  The filter should get the rest?

 Ivan

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