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napierm(at)cisco.com
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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:14 am Post subject: KF IV questions

Hello,



I've recently picked up a 2002 classic IV fuselage and have a couple of

idiot questions.



1st: I notice the mounting tabs for the cowling and turtle-deck are much

smaller than the ones on my KF III and the 1/4 turn fasters that I have

won't fit.  What hardware is used here?  I intend to essentially scratch

make the finishing kit.



2nd: I see a few small horizontal tabs on each side on the upper tube

just aft of the wing in the turtle-deck area.  What are these used for?



Thank you much,



Mark Napier

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Tom Jones

Joined: 12 Mar 2006
Posts: 752
Location: Ellensburg, WA

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 12:03 pm Post subject: Re: KF IV questions

 	  Quote: 	
		  1st: I notice the mounting tabs for the cowling and turtle-deck are much

smaller than the ones on my KF III and the 1/4 turn fasters that I have

won't fit. What hardware is used here? I intend to essentially scratch

make the finishing kit. 	




Mark,

These fasteners are Duez studs.

Winged 2600-3W on the turtle deck. 2600-8W flaperon horn bearing.  2600-4W top cowls.



Phillips head 26S8-3 for the bottom rear cowl and 26S8-4 bottom front cowel.



Receptacles are all 212-12N.

Lock washers are all 2600-LW



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		  2nd: I see a few small horizontal tabs on each side on the upper tube

just aft of the wing in the turtle-deck area. What are these used for? 

	


 

These tabs are where you mount a short piece of piano hinge to attach the lower half of the flaperon horn bearing material.

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Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA

napierm(at)cisco.com
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Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:50 am Post subject: KF IV questions

Hey Tom,



Thanks for the reply.



I do see the purpose of the large horizontal tab in between the two

vertical mounting tabs for the turtle deck.  But there are also three

more small horizontal tabs forward of that position that are on the

upper tube that angles down behind the rear wing mount.  They look like

you could mount a shelf or something there but that would block the view

through the turtle deck.  They're also look too low to be part of the

turtle deck mounting unless an angle or something is mounted there.



Thanks again,



Mark Napier

Time: 01:05:54 PM PST US

Subject: Re: KF IV questions

From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs(at)elltel.net>



 	  Quote: 	
		   1st: I notice the mounting tabs for the cowling and turtle-deck are

much
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   smaller than the ones on my KF III and the 1/4 turn fasters that I

have
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   won't fit. What hardware is used here? I intend to essentially scratch

 make the finishing kit. 


	




Mark,

These fasteners are Duez studs.

Winged 2600-3W on the turtle deck. 2600-8W flaperon horn bearing.

2600-4W top

cowls.



Phillips head 26S8-3 for the bottom rear cowl and 26S8-4 bottom front

cowel.



Receptacles are all 212-12N.

Lock washers are all 2600-LW

 	  Quote: 	
		   2nd: I see a few small horizontal tabs on each side on the upper tube

 just aft of the wing in the turtle-deck area. What are these used for?


	


 	  Quote: 	
		   


	




These tabs are where you mount a short piece of piano hinge to attach

the lower

half of the flaperon horn bearing material.



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Tom Jones

Classic IV

503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp

Ellensburg, WA

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Tom Jones

Joined: 12 Mar 2006
Posts: 752
Location: Ellensburg, WA

Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:36 am Post subject: Re: KF IV questions

 	  Quote: 	
		  I do see the purpose of the large horizontal tab in between the two

vertical mounting tabs for the turtle deck. But there are also three

more small horizontal tabs forward of that position that are on the

upper tube that angles down behind the rear wing mount. 	




Mark,

I looked at the pictures in my builder's log and see the tabs you are asking about.  There is nothing attached to them in my pictures.  I can't find any mention about them in the assembly manual either.  I'll take a look next time I'm at the airport to make sure.  I'll let you know if I did use those tabs to mount anything I've forgotten about.

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Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA

kirkhull(at)kc.rr.com
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 5:57 am Post subject: KF IV questions

I believe the 3 tabs are for floats but don't quote me on that.  Two of them

hold the radiator on mine



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Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 7:45 am Post subject: KF IV questions

Sounds like the shoulder belt mounting tabs, to me.



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

Jabiru 2200, #2062, 796.4 hrs

Countdown to 1000 hrs~204 to go

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On Oct 16, 2009, at 9:45 AM, kirk hull wrote:



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 I believe the 3 tabs are for floats but don't quote me on that.   

 Two of them

 hold the radiator on mine



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Tom Jones

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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 6:19 pm Post subject: Re: KF IV questions

I looked at my Classic 4 yesterday.  The only thing I used the small horizontal tabs on the upper fuselage tubes directly behind the wing rear spar lugs for is to attach the pitot static line and antenna lead to them on the left side of the fuselage.



My kit came with the panel tank so the wing tank fuel lines run forward. 

I have developed a theory that the purpose of the tabs in question is to attach fuel lines from wing tanks to a rear mounted header tank.  They would work for that I think.  Any body with a rear mounted header tank in a model 4 use them for that purpose?

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Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA

clint_bazzill(at)hotmail.
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 8:14 pm Post subject: KF IV questions

 Yes C works great.  Pix if you want.

  

 Clint

  

  

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 From: nahsikhs(at)elltel.net

 Date: Fri C 16 Oct 2009 19:19:16 -0700

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 I looked at my Classic 4 yesterday. The only thing I used the tabs in question for is to attach the pitot static line and antenna lead to them on the left side of the fuselage.

 

 I have developed a theory that they are to attach fuel lines from wing tanks to a rear mounted header tank. They would work for that I think. Any body use them for that purpose?

 

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lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:45 am Post subject: KF IV questions

Mark,



I don't know what the original reason for those tabs being placed there, but 

I used them to secure the fuel line as it came from the wing tank to the 

header tank.  I drilled a hole, looped a nylon tie wrap down through the 

hole with a cotter pin  through the loop and then around the fuel line. 

Other wise, no clue.



Lowell



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