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		923te(at)cox.net Guest
 
 
 
 
 
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				 Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:35 pm    Post subject: Aileron Flexing | 
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				One of the aileron Torque tubes on my Saber Tooth has a little groove in it
 and  I wonder if it needs replaced???
 
 The groove is about .5" Long by .25 wide and is .014 at its deepest point.
 It is about 16" from the tube end.
 
 I anticipate flying regularly in the yellow arc..should I be concerned about 
 the 2000+ and 30 years of sress that has already occurred on th torque tubes 
 and the impact of this small gouge?
 
 I understand that the only spec we have on the torque tubes is for wear.  A 
 max of 0.030" wear is acceptable, and that is measured as TOTAL wall 
 reduction, so its not 0.030" on each side of the tube.
 
 Bill Hatten are you the one that used to care for this Cheetah? 9715U Keith 
 Fuller used to have?
 
 What do you think Bill, Gary?
 
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				 Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 10:23 pm    Post subject: Aileron Flexing | 
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				In a message dated 4/6/06 4:36:46 PM, 923te(at)cox.net writes:
  	  | Quote: | 	 		   The groove is about .5" Long by .25 wide and is .014 at its deepest point.
  It is about 16" from the tube end.
  
 
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 Is this on the end near where it goes into the fuselage?   It may have been 
 caused by the bolt that goes through the flap torque tube.   That's pretty 
 common.   You're allowed 0.030 inches deep.   There are a few things you can do to 
 fix that.   The inner-most aileron bearing support has an adjustment on the 
 screw holes.   Make sure they aileron torque tube is as far away as possible.   
 Then, make sure you have enough shims (washers) under the special bolts on 
 the flap torque tube collar to keep the head of the bolt protuding more than 
 about 3 to 5 thousanths.   
 
 Gary
 
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				 Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 5:16 am    Post subject: Aileron Flexing | 
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				Absolutely.  This is very common damage which I have seen on most planes I 
 have inspected.  Generally speaking the aileron torque tube is not centered 
 in the flap tube and collar and the shoulder bolts protrude through about 
 1/16" or so.  You need a think AND a thin washer under the bolt head at 
 least.  This can be inspected pretty well with a good flashlight and mirror. 
 The inner flap bearing bracket that attaches to the fuselage side wall also 
 has some movement compliance with the nuts loose and can possible be shifted 
 a bit to allow better concentricity with the aileron torque tube.  This 
 usually is not necessary however.
 
 I have dressed lots of aileron torque tubes that had a groove worn in them 
 by carefully filing the edges of the groove with a small fine file and then 
 blending and polishing the area with a scotch brite disc on a rotary 90 
 degree air grinder.  This should remove any stress risers that might exist 
 as a result of a sharp edge groove.
 
 Cliff  A&P/IA
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