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klondike(at)megalink.net
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Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:34 am Post subject: update on the CH601XL--- REQUIRED MODs

could someone please provide the link (s) that shows or expains the 

"required mods"?

Thank you in advance.

Fritz--- do not archive



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stepinwolf

Joined: 21 Jan 2008
Posts: 133
Location: Canada

Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:37 am Post subject: update on the CH601XL--- REQUIRED MODs

Try this,

  

  http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/6-ZU-1-2-3%20NOV%208.pdf

  

 it should get you there

  

 Robert

  

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Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:59 am Post subject: update on the CH601XL--- REQUIRED MODs

Maybe I read a different Q&A paper... as I read along I got the idea that Chris didn't really think that any of this was necessary.



 Steve



 

 Steve Look

 Monticello, IL

 www.ilrt66.com

 "Dogs have owners, Cats have staff"    [quote][b]

tigerrick(at)mindspring.c
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Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:08 am Post subject: update on the CH601XL--- REQUIRED MODs

Hi, Gang!



Like so many others here, I'm contemplating ripping apart my QB 601XL to install the suggested mods, and am considering what the positives and negatives will be.



Of course, I'm thrilled at the prospect of restoring some of the value to design, as well as silencing that nagging fear of airframe failure in the back of my head. I've said all along that I'd love a beefier, more G-tolerant airframe to increase the margin of safety. (I've flown enough cross country to experience sudden clear air turbulence that has bounced my head off of the canopy, and I can easily imagine how a 601 or 650 might have its G load limits exceeded through no fault of the pilot.)



One of things I'm NOT thrilled about is the additional weight these mods will add to the empty weight. So I called up Robbie Grove this morning, and he said that if we got enough guys together to place a group order for his lightweight, gun-drilled main gear, he could probably knock off 10 to 20 percent of the price. If you're not familiar with the Grove gear for the 601, it saves about 15 pounds over the stock gear while eliminating exterior brake lines to the calipers. Really slick.



Robbie said he needs a minimum of ten orders. Anyone else interested in this?



Rick Lindstrom

ZenVair 601XL N42KP



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William Dominguez

Joined: 09 Apr 2008
Posts: 118

Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:35 am Post subject: Re: update on the CH601XL--- REQUIRED MODs

Rick,



How much is the regular price for this gear? Is there a web site for this company where I can read about the gear?



William Dominguez

Zodiac 601XL Plans

Miami Florida

http://sites.google.com/site/billplane/



 	  tigerrick(at)mindspring.c wrote: 	
		  Hi, Gang!



Like so many others here, I'm contemplating ripping apart my QB 601XL to install the suggested mods, and am considering what the positives and negatives will be.



Of course, I'm thrilled at the prospect of restoring some of the value to design, as well as silencing that nagging fear of airframe failure in the back of my head. I've said all along that I'd love a beefier, more G-tolerant airframe to increase the margin of safety. (I've flown enough cross country to experience sudden clear air turbulence that has bounced my head off of the canopy, and I can easily imagine how a 601 or 650 might have its G load limits exceeded through no fault of the pilot.)



One of things I'm NOT thrilled about is the additional weight these mods will add to the empty weight. So I called up Robbie Grove this morning, and he said that if we got enough guys together to place a group order for his lightweight, gun-drilled main gear, he could probably knock off 10 to 20 percent of the price. If you're not familiar with the Grove gear for the 601, it saves about 15 pounds over the stock gear while eliminating exterior brake lines to the calipers. Really slick.



Robbie said he needs a minimum of ten orders. Anyone else interested in this?



Rick Lindstrom

ZenVair 601XL N42KP



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William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
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http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom

pdn8r(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:02 pm Post subject: update on the CH601XL--- REQUIRED MODs

the website lists the price at $1357.00 pluss $200.00 for the gundrill.

  

 You can see it here:  http://www.groveaircraft.com/landing_gear.html  



Bill Pagan EAA Tech Counselor #4395

601XL QBK/Corvair/N565BW (RES)

--- On Tue, 11/10/09, William Dominguez <bill_dom(at)yahoo.com> wrote:



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From: William Dominguez <bill_dom(at)yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: update on the CH601XL--- REQUIRED MODs

To: zenith601-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 2:36 PM



 --> Zenith601-List message posted by: "William Dominguez" <bill_dom(at)yahoo.com (bill_dom(at)yahoo.com)>



Rick,



How much is the regular price for this gear? Is there a web site for this company where I can read about the gear?



William Dominguez

Zodiac 601XL Plans

Miami Florida

http://sites.google.com/site/billplane/





tigerrick(at)mindspring.c wrote:

[quote] Hi, Gang!

 

 Like so many others here, I'm contemplating ripping apart my QB 601XL to install the suggested mods, and am considering what the positives and negatives will be.

 

 Of course, I'm thrilled at the prospect of restoring some of the value to design, as well as silencing that nagging fear of airframe failure in the back of my head

tigerrick(at)mindspring.c
Guest

Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:04 pm Post subject: update on the CH601XL--- REQUIRED MODs

A quick visit to the Grove website (http://www.groveaircraft.com) didn't result in pricing, but I remember the price of the gun-drilled gear for the 601 being around $1600. We also need the mounting plate that AMD has developed for this gear, and I have no idea what the cost of that is.



We could also get the gear with the external, rear brake line channel instead of the internal brake line, most likely at a bit lower cost.



Not cheap, I know, but I hate giving up useful load. It means I'd hafta go on a diet and stick to it!



Rick



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eldenej(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:24 pm Post subject: update on the CH601XL--- REQUIRED MODs

Rick:

  

 At about what price?

  

 Elden J.



--- On Wed, 11/11/09, Rick Lindstrom <tigerrick(at)mindspring.com> wrote:



 [quote]

From: Rick Lindstrom <tigerrick(at)mindspring.com>

Subject: Re: update on the CH601XL--- REQUIRED MODs

To: zenith601-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 2:00 AM



 --> Zenith601-List message posted by: Rick Lindstrom <tigerrick(at)mindspring.com (tigerrick(at)mindspring.com)>



Hi, Gang!



Like so many others here, I'm contemplating ripping apart my QB 601XL to install the suggested mods, and am considering what the positives and negatives will be.



Of course, I'm thrilled at the prospect of restoring some of the value to design, as well as silencing that nagging fear of airframe failure in the back of my head. I've said all along that I'd love a beefier, more G-tolerant airframe to increase the margin of safety. (I've flown enough cross country to experience sudden clear air turbulence that has bounced my head off of the canopy, and I can easily imagine how a 601 or 650 might have its G load limits exceeded through no fault of the pilot.)



One of things I'm NOT thrilled  about is the additional weight these mods will add to the empty weight. So I called up Robbie Grove this morning, and he said that if we got enough guys together to place a group order for his lightweight, gun-drilled main gear, he could probably knock off 10 to 20 percent of the price. If you're not familiar with the Grove gear for the 601, it saves about 15 pounds over the stock gear while eliminating exterior brake lines to the calipers. Really slick.



Robbie said he needs a minimum of ten orders. Anyone else interested in this?



Rick Lindstrom

ZenVair 601XL N42KP



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Davcoberly(at)wmconnect.c
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Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:55 pm Post subject: update on the CH601XL--- REQUIRED MODs

Rick, 

Weight has also been one of my big concerns as I was already pushing the #1320 limit most of the time even with reduced fuel. So how much do you think were talking here.  David Coberly  [quote][b]

rpf(at)wi.rr.com
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Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:11 pm Post subject: update on the CH601XL--- REQUIRED MODs

Steve, I must have read the same Q&A as you did,  because I came to the same conclusion.

  

 Randy Ferri

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dougsire

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 37

Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:50 pm Post subject: Re: update on the CH601XL--- REQUIRED MODs

Rick,



I would be interested in considering the Grove gear.   Then I would just need to figure out what to do with my current, standard, gear.   I think it is too big for the slot at the recycling center.

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ter_turn(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:13 pm Post subject: update on the CH601XL--- REQUIRED MODs

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Terry Phillips

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 346
Location: Corvallis, MT

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:40 pm Post subject: update on the CH601XL--- REQUIRED MODs

Rick



If you are serious about looking at an alternative landing gear to save 

some weight, why go half way? The composite gear used by CZAW on the 

European 601XL's is made in a 600kg version. See:



http://www.comlet.cz/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=58&Itemid=61&lang=en



type NK-03A-600



A few months ago we were quoted a price for the 600 kg version of $495 plus 

shipping.



The weight is given as 5.2 kg (11.4 lb). Compare that to the 46 lb Zenair 

gear. It doesn't solve the brake line problem like the Grove gear. But with 

~34 lb additional useful load, who cares? My understanding is that the gear 

has to be ordered through ACS.



A new gear support would be needed.



If you are interested in getting together a group order for the composite 

gear, let me know. ~35 lb and only 500 bucks, now that's attactive.



Terry

At 01:00 PM 11/10/2009 -0500, Rick Lindstrom wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Hi, Gang!



Like so many others here, I'm contemplating ripping apart my QB 601XL to 

install the suggested mods, and am considering what the positives and 

negatives will be.



Of course, I'm thrilled at the prospect of restoring some of the value to 

design, as well as silencing that nagging fear of airframe failure in the 

back of my head. I've said all along that I'd love a beefier, more 

G-tolerant airframe to increase the margin of safety. (I've flown enough 

cross country to experience sudden clear air turbulence that has bounced 

my head off of the canopy, and I can easily imagine how a 601 or 650 might 

have its G load limits exceeded through no fault of the pilot.)



One of things I'm NOT thrilled about is the additional weight these mods 

will add to the empty weight. So I called up Robbie Grove this morning, 

and he said that if we got enough guys together to place a group order for 

his lightweight, gun-drilled main gear, he could probably knock off 10 to 

20 percent of the price. If you're not familiar with the Grove gear for 

the 601, it saves about 15 pounds over the stock gear while eliminating 

exterior brake lines to the calipers. Really slick.



Robbie said he needs a minimum of ten orders. Anyone else interested in this?



Rick Lindstrom

ZenVair 601XL N42KP

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Terry Phillips
Corvallis, MT
ttp44<at>rkymtn.net
Zenith 601XL/Jab 3300 slow build kit - Tail feathers done; working on the wings.

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