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aviation(at)acs-group.net
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Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 3:49 am Post subject: Freedom of Speach - Spelled speech

What about the list owners right to do whatever HE wants to do. It's his 

list, he can do what he wants with it anytime he wants. Yes, I believe 

that one of the airplane lists we all frequent has a moderator that is 

kind of a prick but he has that right too. For you to quote chapter and 

verse about what the government should not be doing and apply it to him 

is beyond  a stretch.



If anyone does not like it, they can start their own and run it anyway 

they want.



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		  >    

>



You're welcome.   I think having one forum modeled after a government that 

wants to control what is acceptable to say, to read, to believe, to fear, and to 

accept, is one too many.

aa1bflyboy(at)msn.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:50 am Post subject: Freedom of Speach - Spelled speech

The biggest complaint I have with that other list is it's selective on who 

and what is bounced. If it we were bounced on an even playing field then I'd 

have no issues with it. When is the AYA going to have a list of their own, 

without a list Nazi?



Do a lot, get a little;

Do a little, get a lot;

Do nothing, get it all.

Steve Roberts - AA-1B N9664L (at) ILG



----Original Message Follows----

From: Walt Beaulieu <aviation(at)acs-group.net>

Reply-To: teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com

To: teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Freedom of Speach - Spelled speech

Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 04:48:59 -0700




<aviation(at)acs-group.net>



What about the list owners right to do whatever HE wants to do. It's his

list, he can do what he wants with it anytime he wants. Yes, I believe

that one of the airplane lists we all frequent has a moderator that is

kind of a prick but he has that right too. For you to quote chapter and

verse about what the government should not be doing and apply it to him

is beyond  a stretch.



If anyone does not like it, they can start their own and run it anyway

they want.



 >>

 >>

 >

 >You're welcome.   I think having one forum modeled after a government that

 >wants to control what is acceptable to say, to read, to believe, to fear, 

and to

 >accept, is one too many.

 >

aviation(at)acs-group.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:26 am Post subject: Freedom of Speach - Spelled speech

Inertia rules... It would take some considerable marketing to dry up the 

nazi list and move everone somewhere else though.

Steve Roberts wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

The biggest complaint I have with that other list is it's selective on who 

and what is bounced. If it we were bounced on an even playing field then I'd 

have no issues with it. When is the AYA going to have a list of their own, 

without a list Nazi?

Do a lot, get a little;

Do a little, get a lot;

Do nothing, get it all.

Steve Roberts - AA-1B N9664L (at) ILG

----Original Message Follows----

From: Walt Beaulieu <aviation(at)acs-group.net>

Reply-To: teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com

To: teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Freedom of Speach - Spelled speech

Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 04:48:59 -0700

<aviation(at)acs-group.net>

What about the list owners right to do whatever HE wants to do. It's his

list, he can do what he wants with it anytime he wants. Yes, I believe

that one of the airplane lists we all frequent has a moderator that is

kind of a prick but he has that right too. For you to quote chapter and

verse about what the government should not be doing and apply it to him

is beyond  a stretch.

If anyone does not like it, they can start their own and run it anyway

they want.

 >>

 >>

 >

 >You're welcome.   I think having one forum modeled after a government that

 >wants to control what is acceptable to say, to read, to believe, to fear, 

and to

 >accept, is one too many.

 >

pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
Guest

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 1:29 pm Post subject: Freedom of Speach - Spelled speech

Walt Beaulieu wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

Inertia rules... It would take some considerable marketing to dry up the 

nazi list and move everone somewhere else though.

Not really true.  The RV-10 (and other RV lists) moved from AOL to 

Matronics ...... en mass ..... and for the same reason!!!

And, come to think of it ..... it's why we're here ...... and I think 

this list is growing.  I still monitor both lists ..... and answer only 

once when a message appears on both lists.  The first one I see, I 

answer.  Usually on the Matronics list.

Linn

 	  Quote: 	

Steve Roberts wrote:

>

>

>The biggest complaint I have with that other list is it's selective on who 

>and what is bounced. If it we were bounced on an even playing field then I'd 

>have no issues with it. When is the AYA going to have a list of their own, 

>without a list Nazi?

>

gilalex(at)earthlink.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 7:13 pm Post subject: Freedom of Speach - Spelled speech

Linn ... and then most folks moved from the Matronics one 

to   http://www.vansairforce.net/     which is strictly controlled......  gil A

At 05:29 PM 4/12/2006, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

<pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>

Walt Beaulieu wrote:

 >

 <aviation(at)acs-group.net>

 >

 >Inertia rules... It would take some considerable marketing to dry up the

 >nazi list and move everone somewhere else though.

 >

Not really true.  The RV-10 (and other RV lists) moved from AOL to

Matronics ...... en mass ..... and for the same reason!!!

And, come to think of it ..... it's why we're here ...... and I think

this list is growing.  I still monitor both lists ..... and answer only

once when a message appears on both lists.  The first one I see, I

answer.  Usually on the Matronics list.

Linn

 >

 >Steve Roberts wrote:

 >

 >

 >

 >>

 <aa1bflyboy(at)msn.com>

 >>

 >>The biggest complaint I have with that other list is it's selective on who

 >>and what is bounced. If it we were bounced on an even playing field 

 then I'd

 >>have no issues with it. When is the AYA going to have a list of their own,

 >>without a list Nazi?

 >>

Matt Dralle
Site Admin

Joined: 08 Nov 2005
Posts: 26477
Location: Livermore CA USA

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 7:56 pm Post subject: Freedom of Speach - Spelled speech

Actually, Doug Reeves closed down all of the Yahoo Groups sites that he had started and moved to a Web Forum layout instead.  Matronics has picked up quite a few new members since then, since many people prefer the email distribution to the BBS Forum format.

That being said, Matronics has recently added BBS forum that is tied directly to the existing email lists so no matter what you format preference (email or web) you can view your content the way you like. http://forums.matronics.com

Matt

At 08:05 PM 4/12/2006  Wednesday, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

Linn ... and then most folks moved from the Matronics one 

to   http://www.vansairforce.net/     which is strictly controlled......  gil A

At 05:29 PM 4/12/2006, you wrote:

>

><pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>

>

>Walt Beaulieu wrote:

>

> >

> <aviation(at)acs-group.net>

> >

> >Inertia rules... It would take some considerable marketing to dry up the

> >nazi list and move everone somewhere else though.

> >

>Not really true.  The RV-10 (and other RV lists) moved from AOL to

>Matronics ...... en mass ..... and for the same reason!!!

>

>And, come to think of it ..... it's why we're here ...... and I think

>this list is growing.  I still monitor both lists ..... and answer only

>once when a message appears on both lists.  The first one I see, I

>answer.  Usually on the Matronics list.

>Linn

>

> >

> >Steve Roberts wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >>

> <aa1bflyboy(at)msn.com>

> >>

> >>The biggest complaint I have with that other list is it's selective on who

> >>and what is bounced. If it we were bounced on an even playing field 

> then I'd

> >>have no issues with it. When is the AYA going to have a list of their own,

> >>without a list Nazi?

> >>

>

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925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email

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GrummanDude

Joined: 15 Jan 2006
Posts: 926
Location: Auburn, CA

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 8:33 pm Post subject: Freedom of Speach - Spelled speech

In a message dated 4/12/06 6:51:15 AM, aa1bflyboy(at)msn.com writes:

 	  Quote: 	
		   The biggest complaint I have with that other list is it's selective on who

 and what is bounced. If it we were bounced on an even playing field then I'd

 have no issues with it. When is the AYA going to have a list of their own,

 without a list Nazi?

 

 


	


Doesn't this list serve that purpose?

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Gary
AuCountry Aviation
Home of Team Grumman

GrummanDude

Joined: 15 Jan 2006
Posts: 926
Location: Auburn, CA

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 8:42 pm Post subject: Freedom of Speach - Spelled speech

In a message dated 4/12/06 8:57:21 PM, dralle(at)matronics.com writes:

 	  Quote: 	
		   That being said, Matronics has recently added BBS forum that is tied 

 directly to the existing email lists so no matter what you format preference (email 

 or web) you can view your content the way you like. 

 http://forums.matronics.com

 

 Matt

 


	


Thanks Matt, and we appreciate the choices.   Can you tell me again how to 

post a pic?



Gary

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aa1bflyboy(at)msn.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 8:54 pm Post subject: Freedom of Speach - Spelled speech

Gary, yes it is a free and open list (and I do truely appreciate that) but 

from your list description "Moderated by "Grumman Gary", the TeamGrumman 

forum is a discussion group for performance modifications and maintenance on 

the Grumman Cheetah & Tiger aircraft." technically I don't quite fit in 

being an owner of an AA1x model. I know you prefer to focus your work on the 

four place models and I take no issue with that. I just wish there could be 

a list where we *all* could feel welcome and included be it a  

Yankee/Trainer/Traveler/Cheetah or Tiger, oh yes Cougars too.

Do a lot, get a little;

Do a little, get a lot;

Do nothing, get it all.

Steve Roberts - AA-1B N9664L (at) ILG

In a message dated 4/12/06 6:51:15 AM, aa1bflyboy(at)msn.com writes:

 > The biggest complaint I have with that other list is it's selective on 

who

 > and what is bounced. If it we were bounced on an even playing field then 

I'd

 > have no issues with it. When is the AYA going to have a list of their 

own,

 > without a list Nazi?

 >

 >

Doesn't this list serve that purpose?

Matt Dralle
Site Admin

Joined: 08 Nov 2005
Posts: 26477
Location: Livermore CA USA

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 9:23 pm Post subject: Freedom of Speach - Spelled speech

Gary didn't actually write that little discriptive paragraph.  I 

wrote it when I was building the new BBS Forums.  I tried to write 

a short narritive on what each list was about and that's what 

popped into my head for the TeamGrummand-List.  If you take a look 

at the origial discription back on the Matronics Email List web 

page, you'll find the following description for 

the TeamGrumman-List ( http://www.matronics.com/emaillists ):

"The TeamGrumman-List is an Internet Email Group dedicated to the

support of the Grumman series of aircraft."

That pretty much includes all the models and I believe that was the

original intent of the List.  I definately didn't intentionally intend

to exclude anyone from the "Grumman" list with my description.  

With everyone's concent, I would be more that happy to added the other

models of aircraft in the Grumman line to the description.

Matt Dralle

Matronics.com Email List Admin.

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		  --------------

Gary, yes it is a free and open list (and I do truely appreciate that) but 

from your list description "Moderated by "Grumman Gary", the TeamGrumman 

forum is a discussion group for performance modifications and maintenance on 

the Grumman Cheetah & Tiger aircraft." technically I don't quite fit in 

being an owner of an AA1x model. I know you prefer to focus your work on the 

four place models and I take no issue with that. I just wish there could be 

a list where we *all* could feel welcome and included be it a  

Yankee/Trainer/Traveler/Cheetah or Tiger, oh yes Cougars too.

Steve Roberts - AA-1B N9664L (at) ILG

In a message dated 4/12/06 6:51:15 AM, aa1bflyboy(at)msn.com writes:

 > The biggest complaint I have with that other list is it's selective on who

 > and what is bounced. If it we were bounced on an even playing field then I'd

 > have no issues with it. When is the AYA going to have a list of their own,

 > without a list Nazi?

Doesn't this list serve that purpose?

--------------

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925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email

http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft

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aa1bflyboy(at)msn.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 3:33 am Post subject: Freedom of Speach - Spelled speech

Thanks Matt...



Steve Roberts - AA-1B N9664L (at) ILG






Gary didn't actually write that little discriptive paragraph.  I

wrote it when I was building the new BBS Forums.  I tried to write

a short narritive on what each list was about and that's what

popped into my head for the TeamGrummand-List.  If you take a look

at the origial discription back on the Matronics Email List web

page, you'll find the following description for

the TeamGrumman-List ( http://www.matronics.com/emaillists ):



"The TeamGrumman-List is an Internet Email Group dedicated to the

support of the Grumman series of aircraft."



That pretty much includes all the models and I believe that was the

original intent of the List.  I definately didn't intentionally intend

to exclude anyone from the "Grumman" list with my description.



With everyone's concent, I would be more that happy to added the other

models of aircraft in the Grumman line to the description.



Matt Dralle

Matronics.com Email List Admin.

aviation(at)acs-group.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 4:01 am Post subject: Freedom of Speach - Spelled speech

That is interesting Gil, I moderate a group of 1500+ for the Rutan 

experimentals. (Canards). I only throttle the personal attacks and 

fights. That keeps the

list healthy, so maybe a little bit of moderate activity  may be good. 

The previous Canard moderator was a bit like the GG moderator and almost 

killed it with real censorship.  I try to keep it very open.

Walt

Gil Alexander wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

Linn ... and then most folks moved from the Matronics one 

to   http://www.vansairforce.net/     which is strictly controlled......  gil A

At 05:29 PM 4/12/2006, you wrote:

>

><pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>

>

>Walt Beaulieu wrote:

>

>    

>

>>

>>      

>>

><aviation(at)acs-group.net>

>    

>

>>Inertia rules... It would take some considerable marketing to dry up the

>>nazi list and move everone somewhere else though.

>>      

>>

pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
Guest

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 5:14 am Post subject: Freedom of Speach - Spelled speech

Steve Roberts wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

snip

 	  Quote: 	
		  I just wish there could be 

a list where we *all* could feel welcome and included be it a  

Yankee/Trainer/Traveler/Cheetah or Tiger, oh yes Cougars too.

Whoa!  I have a -1B (that hasn't flown in a couple of years} and don't 

feel disenfranchised.  I truly enjoy the freedom to discuss important 

issues dealing with aviation here, that are forbidden on the 'other' 

list.  I comment when I can offer MY opinions and information, and have 

never been chastised yet ...... catch the 'yet'????  Short of being a 

forum with cartoons, jokes, sniping at the Pres ..... you get the idea 

..... this is a very open forum and is my favorite Grumman site.  Sorry 

you don't feel welcome.  I'm assuming you're not a member of the 'other' 

list, are you???

Linn

 	  Quote: 	

Do a lot, get a little;

Do a little, get a lot;

Do nothing, get it all.

Steve Roberts - AA-1B N9664L (at) ILG

In a message dated 4/12/06 6:51:15 AM, aa1bflyboy(at)msn.com writes:

 > The biggest complaint I have with that other list is it's selective on 

who

 > and what is bounced. If it we were bounced on an even playing field then 

I'd

 > have no issues with it. When is the AYA going to have a list of their 

own,

 > without a list Nazi?

 >

 >

Doesn't this list serve that purpose?

gilalex(at)earthlink.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:20 am Post subject: Freedom of Speach - Spelled speech

Walt... I think that's about the level of control that is needed.

I was in the first 100 members of Matt's original RV-list (circa 1997?)...

As the Internet grew, more builders joined, and specialized mailing lists 

got large (like yours at over 1500) a few posters can negate the effort of 

others, or put out so much chaff it's hard to find the nuggets.   Also a 

few posters carrying on personal attacks is distracting from the list 

intent - I tend to think of the lists I'm on as mainly technical sources.

When the volume gets high, and the signal to noise ratio gets too annoying, 

I tend to give up....

For our Grummans, I hope the www.bondline.org  site created by Bob Stewart 

is successful - I have been adding to his effort.

Matt does have a great search feature though....

gil in Tucson....

At 05:00 AM 4/13/2006, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

That is interesting Gil, I moderate a group of 1500+ for the Rutan

experimentals. (Canards). I only throttle the personal attacks and

fights. That keeps the

list healthy, so maybe a little bit of moderate activity  may be good.

The previous Canard moderator was a bit like the GG moderator and almost

killed it with real censorship.  I try to keep it very open.

Walt

Gil Alexander wrote:

 >

 <gilalex(at)earthlink.net>

 >

 >Linn ... and then most folks moved from the Matronics one

 >to   http://www.vansairforce.net/     which is strictly 

 controlled......  gil A

 >

 >At 05:29 PM 4/12/2006, you wrote:

 >

 >

 >>

 >><pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>

 >>

 >>Walt Beaulieu wrote:

 >>

 >>

 >>

 >>>

 >>>

 >>>

 >><aviation(at)acs-group.net>

 >>

 >>

 >>>Inertia rules... It would take some considerable marketing to dry up the

 >>>nazi list and move everone somewhere else though.

 >>>

 >>>

GrummanDude

Joined: 15 Jan 2006
Posts: 926
Location: Auburn, CA

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 12:52 pm Post subject: Freedom of Speach - Spelled speech

In a message dated 4/13/06 1:49:05 AM, aa1bflyboy(at)msn.com writes:



 	  Quote: 	
		   I know you prefer to focus your work on the four place models and I take no 

 issue with that. I just wish there could be a list where we *all* could feel 

 welcome and included be it a Yankee/Trainer/Traveler/Cheetah or Tiger, oh 

 yes Cougars too.

 


	


There is a lot of historical knowledge about Grummans, all of them, on this 

list.   Please feel free to ask and respond to any and all topics.   



I prefer not to work on the 2-seat planes.   There are a number of good ideas 

in them, don't get me wrong.   Hell, I soloed in one.   I have spent the 

better part of the last 25 plus years working on the 4-seat planes.   If I were 

looking for a doctor, I'd find one with experience with what ails me.   (or ales 

me .... ).   If a Dr told me he'd done this or that once or twice, I'd keep 

looking.   So, when it comes to 2-seat Grummans, I refer them to Cliff or Ken 

(Blackman).   They have many times the experience I have with 2-seat planes.   



This forum is for anyone interested in Grummans or airplanes in general.   

I'm fairly certain builders of RVs and other experimentals have a lot of 

experience with maintenance or ? in general they can share.   If there are other 

topics that come up unrelated to Grummans and it starts to go on and on, people 

will get tired of reading and start deleting.   



The point is, one topic could often lead to another topic, related or 

unrelated.   This free exchange of ideas has the potential for triggering other 

topics.   If those on this forum are airplane 'minded' people, airplane ideas will 

come up.   Everyone benefits from the endless chatter about planes.   The 

interaction is not that unlike sitting around the hangar and just chatting about 

your favorite subject.   Who knows, the solution to avoiding or prevnting 

aviation user-fees might be found here.



Gary

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GrummanDude

Joined: 15 Jan 2006
Posts: 926
Location: Auburn, CA

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 12:54 pm Post subject: Freedom of Speach - Spelled speech

In a message dated 4/13/06 1:49:07 AM, dralle(at)matronics.com writes:

 	  Quote: 	
		   With everyone's concent, I would be more that happy to added the other

 models of aircraft in the Grumman line to the description.

 

 Matt Dralle

 Matronics.com Email List Admin.

 


	


I think Grumman series says it all.   But, if it helps to add all the models 

separately, let's do that.



Gary

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Home of Team Grumman

flyv35b(at)ashcreekwirele
Guest

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 5:06 pm Post subject: Freedom of Speach - Spelled speech

So, when it comes to 2-seat Grummans, I refer them to Cliff or Ken

(Blackman).   They have many times the experience I have with 2-seat planes.



I don't really have all that much experience on the 2 place models as I work 

on about twenty 4 place models to every one 2 place.  After all the work 

I've done on my Lynx I am becoming more of an "expert" on them.  Ken 

Blackman is the real expert on the 2 place Grummans.  There really isn't 

that much difference between them.



Cliff

aa1bflyboy(at)msn.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 9:03 pm Post subject: Freedom of Speach - Spelled speech

Grumman series is fine with me but it (the list description) specified 

Cheetah/Tiger... I like this forum, and the freedom it gives. Keep up the 

good work guys and keep the helpful info flowing. I guess where I was coming 

from is, why doesn't the AYA do something for us like this? I had brought it 

up at the member's meeting in Baraboo. Many responded that they felt it 

would be nice as well. But if this group is for *all* of us Grumman pilots 

that should fit the bill just fine.

Has anyone figured out how we can post pics yet?

Do a lot, get a little;

Do a little, get a lot;

Do nothing, get it all.

Steve Roberts - AA-1B N9664L (at) ILG

----Original Message Follows----

From: TeamGrumman(at)aol.com

Reply-To: teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com

To: teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Freedom of Speach - Spelled speech

Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:54:10 EDT

In a message dated 4/13/06 1:49:07 AM, dralle(at)matronics.com writes:

 > With everyone's concent, I would be more that happy to added the other

 > models of aircraft in the Grumman line to the description.

 >

 > Matt Dralle

 > Matronics.com Email List Admin.

 >

I think Grumman series says it all.   But, if it helps to add all the models

separately, let's do that.

Gary

aa1bflyboy(at)msn.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 9:52 pm Post subject: Freedom of Speach - Spelled speech

Linn, yes I'm a memeber of the other list. In fact I just posted there where 

you had posted yesterday. Only about 50% of my posts are actually posted 

there. Others are rejected as he says it's not "trimmed" well enough. I was 

just questioning the identifier tag where only Cheetah/Tiger was listed.



Steve Roberts - AA-1B N9664L (at) ILG

..... this is a very open forum and is my favorite Grumman site.  Sorry

you don't feel welcome.  I'm assuming you're not a member of the 'other'

list, are you???

GrummanDude

Joined: 15 Jan 2006
Posts: 926
Location: Auburn, CA

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:44 pm Post subject: Freedom of Speach - Spelled speech

In a message dated 4/13/06 10:03:47 PM, aa1bflyboy(at)msn.com writes:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Has anyone figured out how we can post pics yet?

From Matt . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


	


Yes, two ways.=A0 One is to use the Matronics Email List Photoshare found here:



=A0 http://www.matronics.com/photoshare



The other is to post your message from the new Matronics Email List BBS

Forum, and attach photos with your message.=A0 When viewed on the Forum, your message

will have the photos inline with the message, and when viewed on the standard

email distribution, URL links are found in the message that can be clicked

upon and the photos popped up automatically.=A0 The URL for the forum site is:



=A0 http://forums.matronics.com



Scroll down to the TeamGrummand-List section.



Best regards,



Matt Dralle

Matronics List Admin

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