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msausen
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Happy New Year everyone!
I’m getting ready to order the hoses for my FWF. I didn’t get the stock Van’s hoses because at the time (they have come down considerably in the last 2 years) they were more expensive than aftermarket and I also have a different configuration which requires a few custom lengths. So what I’m wondering is if I should firesleeve the oil lines while I’m at it. They will all be SS sleeved with a Teflon core. It’s certainly more than if I don’t but I’m thinking it would probably be worth it. What’s the general concensus?
Michael
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bkbrown(at)minetfiber.com
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| Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 8:51 am Post subject: FWF hoses |
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Steel fittings and integral firesleeve hoses on all fuel and oil lines FWF, that’s what I’d recommend.
Bob Brown
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
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Subject: FWF hoses
Happy New Year everyone!
I’m getting ready to order the hoses for my FWF. I didn’t get the stock Van’s hoses because at the time (they have come down considerably in the last 2 years) they were more expensive than aftermarket and I also have a different configuration which requires a few custom lengths. So what I’m wondering is if I should firesleeve the oil lines while I’m at it. They will all be SS sleeved with a Teflon core. It’s certainly more than if I don’t but I’m thinking it would probably be worth it. What’s the general concensus?
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| Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 9:12 am Post subject: FWF hoses |
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FWIW, I ordered my FWF kit which should ship in a few weeks. I ordered the Vans hoses .... but haven't decided to firesleeve yet. Probably won't for oil, but might for fuel. My other aircraft have old black cloth covered Aeroquip hoses and surived OK all these years ..... but I haven't had a fire in the cowl yet. I'd rather practice prevention than pray that a hose containing flammable stuff doesn't burn through.
Linn ....... wiring the panel
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Happy New Year everyone!
I’m getting ready to order the hoses for my FWF. I didn’t get the stock Van’s hoses because at the time (they have come down considerably in the last 2 years) they were more expensive than aftermarket and I also have a different configuration which requires a few custom lengths. So what I’m wondering is if I should firesleeve the oil lines while I’m at it. They will all be SS sleeved with a Teflon core. It’s certainly more than if I don’t but I’m thinking it would probably be worth it. What’s the general concensus?
Michael
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msausen
Joined: 25 Oct 2007
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Location: Appleton, WI USA
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| Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 9:41 am Post subject: FWF hoses |
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Van’s now sends the fuel supply hoses with integral firesleeves so you are already good there.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Linn Walters
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 11:12 AM
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Subject: Re: FWF hoses
FWIW, I ordered my FWF kit which should ship in a few weeks. I ordered the Vans hoses .... but haven't decided to firesleeve yet. Probably won't for oil, but might for fuel. My other aircraft have old black cloth covered Aeroquip hoses and surived OK all these years .... but I haven't had a fire in the cowl yet. I'd rather practice prevention than pray that a hose containing flammable stuff doesn't burn through.
Linn ....... wiring the panel
RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
Happy New Year everyone!
I’m getting ready to order the hoses for my FWF. I didn’t get the stock Van’s hoses because at the time (they have come down considerably in the last 2 years) they were more expensive than aftermarket and I also have a different configuration which requires a few custom lengths. So what I’m wondering is if I should firesleeve the oil lines while I’m at it. They will all be SS sleeved with a Teflon core. It’s certainly more than if I don’t but I’m thinking it would probably be worth it. What’s the general concensus?
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| Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 9:51 am Post subject: FWF hoses |
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builders who are considering the possibility of fire under the cowl should consider a fire bottle. Stroud in OKC sells them and relatively easy to install.
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Linn Walters
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 10:12 AM
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Subject: Re: FWF hoses
FWIW, I ordered my FWF kit which should ship in a few weeks. I ordered the Vans hoses .... but haven't decided to firesleeve yet. Probably won't for oil, but might for fuel. My other aircraft have old black cloth covered Aeroquip hoses and surived OK all these years ..... but I haven't had a fire in the cowl yet. I'd rather practice prevention than pray that a hose containing flammable stuff doesn't burn through.
Linn ...... wiring the panel
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Happy New Year everyone!
I’m getting ready to order the hoses for my FWF. I didn’t get the stock Van’s hoses because at the time (they have come down considerably in the last 2 years) they were more expensive than aftermarket and I also have a different configuration which requires a few custom lengths. So what I’m wondering is if I should firesleeve the oil lines while I’m at it. They will all be SS sleeved with a Teflon core. It’s certainly more than if I don’t but I’m thinking it would probably be worth it. What’s the general concensus?
Michael
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Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com
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| Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 10:07 am Post subject: FWF hoses |
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Hey David,
I was looking at yours at OSH…
Do you have any FWF photos? Where does it spray to?
Phil
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builders who are considering the possibility of fire under the cowl should consider a fire bottle. Stroud in OKC sells them and relatively easy to install.
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Linn Walters
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 10:12 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: FWF hoses
FWIW, I ordered my FWF kit which should ship in a few weeks. I ordered the Vans hoses .... but haven't decided to firesleeve yet. Probably won't for oil, but might for fuel. My other aircraft have old black cloth covered Aeroquip hoses and surived OK all these years .... but I haven't had a fire in the cowl yet. I'd rather practice prevention than pray that a hose containing flammable stuff doesn't burn through.
Linn ....... wiring the panel
RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
Happy New Year everyone!
I’m getting ready to order the hoses for my FWF. I didn’t get the stock Van’s hoses because at the time (they have come down considerably in the last 2 years) they were more expensive than aftermarket and I also have a different configuration which requires a few custom lengths. So what I’m wondering is if I should firesleeve the oil lines while I’m at it. They will all be SS sleeved with a Teflon core. It’s certainly more than if I don’t but I’m thinking it would probably be worth it. What’s the general concensus?
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Eric_Kallio
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| Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 11:35 am Post subject: Re: FWF hoses |
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Between the hoses that Vans now provides in the FWF kit, and the hoses that Aerosport Power sent with my engine, the Manifold pressure line and the line to the oil pressure sender are the only ones not firesleeved. While the MP line doesn't need it, the oil pressure sender line may get firesleeved down the road when I replace lines, but at this point I am leaving it as is. ALL fuel and oil cooler hoses are fire sleeved.
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Kelly McMullen
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| Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 1:08 pm Post subject: FWF hoses |
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Just had a friend's Cozy light off an engine fire on start this
morning. He wishes he had more fire sleeving. He was lucky fire got
put out before spreading to fiberglass. Was basically from flooded
start.
For the extra 15% I think the integral firesleeve teflon hoses are
worth it. I have them on my Mooney and will use on RV-10.
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net> wrote:
| Quote: | FWIW, I ordered my FWF kit which should ship in a few weeks. I ordered the
Vans hoses .... but haven't decided to firesleeve yet. Probably won't for
oil, but might for fuel. My other aircraft have old black cloth covered
Aeroquip hoses and surived OK all these years ..... but I haven't had a fire
in the cowl yet. I'd rather practice prevention than pray that a hose
containing flammable stuff doesn't burn through.
Linn ....... wiring the panel
RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
Happy New Year everyone!
I’m getting ready to order the hoses for my FWF. I didn’t get the stock
Van’s hoses because at the time (they have come down considerably in the
last 2 years) they were more expensive than aftermarket and I also have a
different configuration which requires a few custom lengths. So what I’m
wondering is if I should firesleeve the oil lines while I’m at it. They
will all be SS sleeved with a Teflon core. It’s certainly more than if I
don’t but I’m thinking it would probably be worth it. What’s the general
concensus?
Michael
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| Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 2:52 pm Post subject: FWF hoses |
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I agree they are compact and worth the cost to fabricate to the correct length let alone safer...flame away!!
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| Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 2:54 pm Post subject: FWF hoses |
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OK here is my 2 cents worth again and yes the A&P hat is on. ALL FLUID LINES
UNDER THE COWL NEED TO BE FIRE SLEEVED NO MATTER IF THERE RUBBER OR TEFLON
LINES.
This is a very BIG Safety issue. I have seen several fires on plane engine
compartments on receps and turbines, it is not a pretty site at all. They
usually always include an offsite landing that causes the plane to get
trashed in the process. And the fire was caused by lines never getting
replaces at over haul or 5 years for rubber hoses.
My butt is worth more than a few bucks, then not to make sure all fluid
lines are not protected and the best lines available. Your butt relies on
it.
John G. Cumins
President
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2499 B1 Martin Rd
Fairfield Ca 94533
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707-425-7576 Fax
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Well said!
grumpy
On Jan 4, 2010, at 3:06 PM, John Cumins wrote:
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OK here is my 2 cents worth again and yes the A&P hat is on. ALL
FLUID LINES
UNDER THE COWL NEED TO BE FIRE SLEEVED NO MATTER IF THERE RUBBER OR
TEFLON
LINES.
This is a very BIG Safety issue. I have seen several fires on plane
engine
compartments on receps and turbines, it is not a pretty site at
all. They
usually always include an offsite landing that causes the plane to get
trashed in the process. And the fire was caused by lines never
getting
replaces at over haul or 5 years for rubber hoses.
My butt is worth more than a few bucks, then not to make sure all
fluid
lines are not protected and the best lines available. Your butt
relies on
it.
John G. Cumins
President
JC'S Interactive Systems
2499 B1 Martin Rd
Fairfield Ca 94533
707-425-7100
707-425-7576 Fax
Your Total Technology Solution Provider
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Kelly McMullen
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| Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 8:41 pm Post subject: FWF hoses |
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The integral firesleeve hoses are the easiest way to accomplish this,
because they have none of the inconveniences of external firesleeve,
most if not all have teflon core, making them last at least as long as
the engine TBO. IIRC William Curtis has a list of all the hoses with
lengths and fittings on his website, so even ordering is easy. Of
course if Vans is supplying some of the hoses integral firesleeve,
that reduces the number you have to get from other sources.
And yes, I agree with John, you want any hose that carries flammable
liquids in front of the firewall to be firesleeve protected one way or
another.
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lines are not protected and the best lines available. Your butt relies on
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