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lhaggerty(at)tampabay.rr.
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 Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 3:32 pm Post subject: pennzoil |
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I am having a hard time finding Pennzoil 16 oz bottles by the case. for my kolb :} Pete
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Dana
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| Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:43 pm Post subject: pennzoil |
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At 06:32 PM 2/4/2010, lhaggerty wrote:
| Quote: | | I am having a hard time finding Pennzoil 16 oz bottles by the case. for my kolb :} Pete |
I don't think they make the 16oz bottles any more. Oil-store.com has cases of 8oz bottles, but the price is almost as much as the 16oz bottles were.
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Arksey(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 5:30 pm Post subject: Pennzoil |
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Hi gang,
I understand that Shell has just introduced AEROSHELL OIL SPORT PLUS 2 a new 2 stroke oil which is supposed to be recommended for Rotax. Lockwood Avaition is now selling it and tested it...I have not yet looked for it local but intend to. It is my understanding that Pennzoil is owned by Shell. The following web site explains the new Shell 2- stroke oil in more detail.
http://www.shell.us/home/content/usa/aboutshell/media_center/news_and_press_releases/2010/aviation_012010.html
Jim Swan
firestar ll with a 503 in Michigan
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John Hauck
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| Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 5:51 pm Post subject: Pennzoil |
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Hi Gang:
Some of you may know my Kolb flying buddy James Tripp from Millbrook, AL. James has flown his FSII to the Kolb Homecoming 3 or 4 times now from Alabama, over some very gnarly mountains, happily being pushed along with a 503 that has 270 hours total time since new. This 503 was broken in and lubricated with two gallons of Walmart TCW3 two stroke oil that I bought in 1992 to run through my 582 powered MKIII. Sat in my basement until James was ready to fly his FS 3 or 4 years ago. That 503 has never had anything but Walmart TCW3 oil in it. It is flown, as it should be, hard, not babied. Sometimes in the afternoon I can hear that FS coming across the lake. It sure sounds good.
James is a retired AF LTC who saw my MKIII sitting alone at Wetumpka Airport, many years ago. He did not meet me for a long time, but that first visit, alone with my mkIII planted a seed. James said he dreamed and researched Kolbs every day while in assigned in Korea. He came back to the Air University at Maxwell AFB, Alabama, assigned as an instructor there. Soon after I got a call from him. He told me who he was and how much he wanted to look at my MKIII and possibly go flying. He was hooked before, but after our flight he was thoroughly convinced what he wanted to built and fly. I recommended he go ahead and get a private ticket and register the FS homebuilt/experimental, which he did. He did a great job of building the FS and is nearing completion of his Kolb MKIII with Jim and John Hauck modifications. He is building it right the first time.
You can get a good buy on two stroke oil at Walmarts.  I think pilot expertise has more to do with two stroke reliability than burning expensive, exotic oil. You can baby and screw up a two without even trying.
john hauck
mkIII
titus, alabama
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rickofudall
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| Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 7:09 pm Post subject: Pennzoil |
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You can get it at the Shell Aerospace and Aviation Store at:
http://www.shellaviationstore.com/order/displaytype.cfm?type=AE&bus_unit=&doc=&bus_desc=&show=asp_menu
[/url]But at $80 for a case plus shipping, yikes.
For what it's worth whatever you get, if you run oil injection or you have a 582 (the rotary valve) and you're changing oil types be sure to purge the system before adding the new oil. Some additve packages in the oil will cause the oil to congeal if mixed with a different additive. The classic was Pennzoil Air Cooled and Pennzoil Marine. Just passing along what Eric covered in two stroke school.
Rick Girard
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 7:29 PM, <Arksey(at)aol.com (Arksey(at)aol.com)> wrote:
[quote] Hi gang,
I understand that Shell has just introduced AEROSHELL OIL SPORT PLUS 2 a new 2 stroke oil which is supposed to be recommended for Rotax. Lockwood Avaition is now selling it and tested it...I have not yet looked for it local but intend to. It is my understanding that Pennzoil is owned by Shell. The following web site explains the new Shell 2- stroke oil in more detail.
[url=http://www.shell.us/home/content/usa/aboutshell/media_center/news_and_press_releases/2010/aviation_012010.html]http://www.shell.us/home/content/usa/aboutshell/media_center/news_and_press_releases/2010/aviation_012010.html
Jim Swan
firestar ll with a 503 in Michigan
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Richard Pike
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| Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 7:37 pm Post subject: Re: pennzoil |
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Been running Phillips Injex 2 stroke oil in all my Rotax 2 strokes since 1984 with no problems, that comes out to 1300 hours. The local oil company even delivers it to my door, since I buy 2 or 3 cases at a time. Last summer I think they got about $40 for a case of 12 quarts.
Phillips Injex wont get as much sooty carbon all over the tail of your airplane as Pennzoil does. I tried Pennzoil for a year, went back to Injex, Pennzoil was just too nasty.
Yes, I know Lockwood thinks Pennzoil is better. That's OK, they still haven't figured out how to put a windshield on a Drifter that doesn't make the tail shake... (Sorry Artie) <grin>
Richard Pike
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John Hauck
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| Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 7:47 pm Post subject: Pennzoil |
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Thank God, I never had to run those expensive oils. If I had, I would have run out of money before I got out of site of Gantt IAP.
Back in the early 80's I did some research, without a computer, to find a two stroke oil for air cooled engines. Somewhere along the line I had discovered information that there was some available. However, there was none available of the store shelves. All this research was done through telephone books and telephones. Early on I talked to the folks at Pennzoil's SE US area office, Jackson, MS. Sure, we have two stroke oil for air cooled engines. How much would you like.
Pennzoil dropped shipped 12 quart cases for me to the local quick oil change place on Atlanta Hwy, Montgomery, AL, for about 8.00 or 10.00 a case, no shipping charges. I'd stop by the oil change place, give them a personal check and be on my way.
That lasted for a few years before Lockwood or some of the Rotax gurus discovered and started selling this brand new oil for Rotax air cooled engines, and the price suddenly doubled. I was still getting mine from Jackson, MS, until one day I called and the well had dried up.
Had good luck with Pennzoil, about the same as I had with Walmart TCW3.
My story and I'm sticking to it.
john hauck
MKIII
titus, alabama
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lucien
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| Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 8:08 pm Post subject: Re: Pennzoil |
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I'm pretty much with John H. on this one. I think the API TC oils do a hair better in terms of carbon buildup, but a Rotax 2 stroke will do fine on TCW-III. I ran the walmart oil for most of the time I owned my ultralight in its points (non-provision) 503 with no problems.
Besides, before there even was the TC spec from API, Rotax required TCW-II and then III oils. Not much change inside in terms of metallurgy since then, so... go figure.....
LS
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