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				 Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 6:33 am    Post subject: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 04/15/06 | 
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				Had a Musketeer (160 horse) & only tried to climb once with full  flaps. 
 Decided to go around on a ~ short turf strip with trees ona end when it  became 
 clear that I was way long on the landing point.
  
  It was my first attempt at climbing with full flaps on that model  (didn't 
 have much choice..) & not much was happening.  (remember  thinking.. wtf). 
 There was no time to even consider reducing flaps to half  as the trees were 
 looming.
  
  Ended up ina box with no options but to pull back ona yoke, however  amount 
 it took, at whatever the speed was..& ended up.. just cleared  the trees.
  
  POH sez nothing about climbing with full flaps, on that model;   also no 
 speed #'s..IOW..you on you own..  Does mention the use of half  flaps, to get off 
  (the ground) a turf strip quicker but then recommends no  flaps for climbout.
  
  Fella that owned the plane before me mentioned he favored yankin  at the 
 flaps (johnson bar on this model) at a certain speed to 'jump' into  the air 
 (forget the details)..but nothing in the POH about it  but understand that others 
 use this method.
  
  Imo, generally, more power for a given weight results in a better  climb 
 capability, if using flaps & always good to see that info in a  POH.
  
  jon
  
 In a message dated 4/16/2006 3:03:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
 teamgrumman-list-digest(at)matronics.com writes:
 
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   <david(at)carneyaviation.com>
 
  # I'd be pretty surprised to  fly a plane that didn't climb with
  # flaps deployed.
 
   It's a certification requirement:   14 CFR 23.77-a-3
  Don't  know what rules apply to experimentals.
 Are there common  aircraft in anyone's experience that will
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 not climb under near standard  conditions with flaps deployed?
 
 Jamey
 
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