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astills(at)cox.net
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Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 9:58 am Post subject: Door Pull

For those of you that put door pulls on the back of the doors...how did you

attach them ,

without cutting an access hole or did you have to cut one. I don't wnat to

cut an access hole 

as that would weaken the area of the pull.



Al Stills

N625AZ

DuaneFamly(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:47 am Post subject: Door Pull

Good Mornin Al,

 

I just installed door pulls on both doors. I drilled a hole from the  

outside, filed slots on both sides of the hole in order to insert a fender  washer 

using a hemostat, then inserted a screw and tightened it. Afterwards, I  filled 

the holes with flox mix until it was just above the hole and then covered  it 

with piece of plastic sheet that was stiff enough to stay flush with the  

surface. This gave the final result a smooth flush finish that should not be  

noticeable when painted.

 

I sent two pix to your address for clarification. 

 

Mike Duane  A207A

Redding, California

XS Conventional Gear

Jabiru 3300  

Sensenich R64Z N

Ground Adjustable Prop

nwcmc(at)tiscali.co.uk
Guest

Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:51 am Post subject: Door Pull

I drilled a pair of holes as close to the edge of the door as practical

to retain rigidity. These holes were for nutserts(available from

Wicks)allowing blind fixing of door pulls. These have been in use for

about 5 years without any problems. The door pulls only need to exert

enough pull to ensure the shoot bolts engage into their holes rather

than outside the door frame. 



As in the early days a few aircraft managed to lose a door in flight due

to the rear shoot bolts not engaging, I decided to include microswitches

to warn if a door was not fully closed. These also work well and have on

more than one occasion brought my attention to the fact that a door was

not closed properly. This is often when an inexperienced passenger has

closed the door (a very good reason for pilots to do an independent

check). Rear door pulls minimise the risk of this but microswitches,

wiring and warning lights weigh next to nothing and give an extra layer

of safety.



Nigel Charles



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ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk
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Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 11:15 am Post subject: Door Pull

Hi!Alan

I put wooden ones on level with the head rests with long pop rivets and

find I never use them .....too difficult to screw round in your seat. I

do all the pulling(and pushing forward ) on the front lever guard.

Otherwise stop biting your nails !!!



Regards

Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300



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josok-e(at)ukolo.fi
Guest

Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 12:16 pm Post subject: Door Pull

That's what i thought Bob, sitting in this half finished plane, trying to  

pull the door shut. I think i will make a 2 finger grab ledge on the  

window sill, as much aft as possible, but before where my shoulders should  

be. Would that work?



Regards,



Jos Okhuijsen



workshopcam http://www.okhuijsen.org/plane

http:www.europaowners.org/kit600

mono xs, top on, gear in, tail wheel in, wings set, flapdrive in, tail  

closed, tailwheel in, tail top in, blue stuff filled, sanded and primed,  

fuel system in, doors fitting.

ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk
Guest

Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 2:17 pm Post subject: Door Pull

Hi! Jos.

IMHO and with 600 hours experience ......I always put the passenger in

and shut his door (except my trusted Ivor Phillips) Then as I

said.....with my door provided it is pushed FORWARD and pulled to with

the door lever guard as the lever is operated shuts without a problem

THEN THE PASSENGER IS REQUESTED TO DO A VISUAL CHECK ON THE REAR OF MY

DOOR.

Of course the electrical verification is good gear but that ain't

anything to do with pulling the door,.......... on the other hand if you

are a .......contortionist!

Regards

Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300



Robt.C.Harrison

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kheindl(at)msn.com
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Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 2:22 pm Post subject: Door Pull

I agree, it is one of many completely unnecessary jobs. The doors usually 

close at both ends. I always test the right door back corner by pushing with 

my right hand, and the left door by pushing with my elbow.



Karl



[quote]From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk>

Reply-To: europa-list(at)matronics.com

To: <europa-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: RE: Door Pull

Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 20:11:02 +0100






Hi!Alan

I put wooden ones on level with the head rests with long pop rivets and

find I never use them .....too difficult to screw round in your seat. I

do all the pulling(and pushing forward ) on the front lever guard.

Otherwise stop biting your nails !!!



Regards

Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300



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nwcmc(at)tiscali.co.uk
Guest

Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 2:57 pm Post subject: Door Pull

 	  Quote: 	
		  THE PASSENGER IS REQUESTED TO DO A VISUAL CHECK ON THE REAR OF MY

DOOR.
	


Of course the electrical verification is good gear but that ain't

anything to do with pulling the door,.......... on the other hand if you

are a .......contortionist!< 



I am not prepared to rely on a passenger to check any aspect which will

affect flight safety. Maybe it is OK if your passenger is very familiar

but at the end of the day it is down to the pilot.



I would be more inclined to use the passenger to use the door pull on

the port door whilst I close it. I can then check that it is closed

either electrically or visually. My microswitches are very sensitive and

turn on the light even when the handle is only lifted 5mm. There action

is in effect tested every time the door is open or closed.



Nigel Charles

nwcmc(at)tiscali.co.uk
Guest

Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 3:05 pm Post subject: Door Pull

 	  Quote: 	
		  I agree, it is one of many completely unnecessary jobs. The doors

usually 
	


close at both ends. <



Some doors fit better than others. Slight distortion often means that

the door has to be pushed forward at the base as it is closed otherwise

the rear latch will not engage. Fitting door pulls and microswitches is

only half a day's work. Should any door latch not get engaged properly

the door will leave the aircraft once it is airborne resulting in a much

bigger job later apart from the flight safety implications. Fortunately

it has been some time since we had a door come off in flight. Perhaps we

are all being vigilant enough with our checks.



Regardless of whether these items are fitted make sure your doors are

closed properly before every flight.



Nigel Charles

jaussi(at)ubtanet.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 5:27 pm Post subject: Door Pull

I built up small foam bumps...about 3 inches long and 3/8" high on the lower

window frame and about 3" behind center then glassed them over with bid.

This gives enough grip for pull as most of the pressure in mine needs to be

down and in.  They are really not very noticeable visually.



Curtis Jaussi  N6125A



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topglock(at)cox.net
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Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 5:47 pm Post subject: Door Pull

I would have done the same thing, had I not already painted my doors.  

However,  I've found that a piece of aluminum, bent to the right shape 

and bonded to the door, then riveted on the side and screwed from the 

top works very well.  My doors seal so tight that the pull was 

necessary.  As to controting around to sue them, I find that leaving my 

shoulders outlide of the harness, until the doors are sealed, allows me 

to turn enough, in the seat to get the job done.  When Mary is with me, 

I pull her door and she pulls mine... 



Jeff - Baby Blue

164 hours



jaussi(at)ubtanet.com wrote:



[quote]



I built up small foam bumps...about 3 inches long and 3/8" high on the lower

window frame and about 3" behind center then glassed them over with bid.

This gives enough grip for pull as most of the pressure in mine needs to be

down and in.  They are really not very noticeable visually.



Curtis Jaussi  N6125A



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snowgoose(at)telus.net
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Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 7:28 pm Post subject: Door Pull

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mikenjulie.parkin(at)btop
Guest

Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:09 pm Post subject: Door Pull

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Fitting door pulls and microswitches is only half a day's work.

 Should any door latch not get engaged properly

 the door will leave the aircraft once it is airborne resulting in a much

 bigger job later apart from the flight safety implications. Fortunately

 it has been some time since we had a door come off in flight. Perhaps we

 are all being vigilant enough with our checks.




	


It seems to me that this MOD comes under the heading of desirable rather 

than essential.  It is a nice touch but unnecessary if you give the door a 

visual inspection during/after closing.  If the door is not latched 

properly, it is very obvious - 'If you look'.  It would be total buffoonery 

to miss an incorrectly latched front bolt - the rear latch is more likely. 

However, to say the 'door will leave the aircraft' once airborne is also 

incorrect - it happened once to me and the door stayed on.

I am more diligent about checking the door now and I hope that if I 

incorrectly close the door and I do not visually check for correct closing 

that the error and the omission do not occur at the same time.  I would 

concede though Nigel that, such a an event would likely be prevented  by the 

existence of microswitches.  (Unless the third hole were to line up in the 

error chain).



Incidentally, when I took off with the rear latch incorrectly engaged, the 

first indication was an unusal flow of hot air entering the cockpit through 

the gear lever slot - a dead give away if you have felt it before.



regards,



Mike

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