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bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 4:39 pm Post subject: Phatnoise Connection Problem - Help?!

Ok, I just received and connected my modified Phatbox to my system, however upon connection it seems as if my 4000x disappears.  I am connecting it directly to the Unilink Changer Control input on the 4000x, and when doing so the phatbox powers up fine and is even recognized by my C90, but my 4000x does not even turn on or power on my system.  Unplugging the phatbox from the unilink control immediately powers on the 4000x, so I'm thinking I have a bad phatbox cable.  Anyone else have any ideas?  Please help!



Ok, I just received and connected my modified Phatbox to my system, however upon connection it seems as if my 4000x disappears.I am connecting it directly to the Unilink Changer Control input on the 4000x, and when doing so the phatbox powers up fine and is even recognized by my C90, but my 4000x does not even turn on or power on my system. Unplugging the phatbox from the unilink control immediately powers on the 4000x, so I'm thinking I have a bad phatbox cable. Anyone else have any ideas? Please help!

Matt Dralle
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Joined: 08 Nov 2005
Posts: 26477
Location: Livermore CA USA

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 4:44 pm Post subject: Phatnoise Connection Problem - Help?!

 	  Quote: 	
		  --------------




Ok, I just received and connected my modified Phatbox to my system,

however upon connection it seems as if my 4000x disappears.  I am

connecting it directly to the Unilink Changer Control input on the

4000x, and when doing so the phatbox powers up fine and is even

recognized by my C90, but my 4000x does not even turn on or power on

my system.  Unplugging the phatbox from the unilink control

immediately powers on the 4000x, so I'm thinking I have a bad phatbox

cable.  Anyone else have any ideas?  Please help!

--------------


	


Did you use the reset button on the C90 to do a complete system bus

reset?  You might also need a cable that has the Bus-On correctly

wired.  I can't remember for sure, but I thought they were shipping

cables that had this done now, but maybe they slipped up.  



Congrats on your new Phatbox; you're gonna love it.  I can't image not

having one (er, I mean two), now on my installations.  Very nice.



Matt Dralle





-- 

Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551

925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email

http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft

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tbone7467(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 4:47 pm Post subject: Phatnoise Connection Problem - Help?!

what is modded on your Phatbox



bobbybraun(at)comcast.net wrote:  



Ok, I just received and connected my modified Phatbox to my system, however upon connection it seems as if my 4000x disappears. I am connecting it directly to the Unilink Changer Control input on the 4000x, and when doing so the phatbox powers up fine and is even recognized by my C90, but my 4000x does not even turn on or power on my system. Unplugging the phatbox from the unilink control immediately powers on the 4000x, so I'm thinking I have a bad phatbox cable. Anyone else have any ideas? Please help!



Ok, I just received and connected my modified Phatbox to my system, however upon connection it seems as if my 4000x disappears.I am connecting it directly to the Unilink Changer Control input on the 4000x, and when doing so the phatbox powers up fine and is even recognized by my C90, but my 4000x does not even turn on or power on my system. Unplugging the phatbox from the unilink control immediately powers on the 4000x, so I'm thinking I have a bad phatbox cable. Anyone else have any ideas? Please help!

		

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bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 5:08 pm Post subject: Phatnoise Connection Problem - Help?!

I did to a complete system reset as well as re-flash the firmware on the DMS cart after I encountered the problem, all to no avail.  



The C90 controls the Phatbox perfectly, songs show up on the display, but the 4000x is non-existent when the PB is plugged in.  The very second the Phatbox is unplugged the 4000x turns on and the rest of my system powers up as it should.  To further explain, the DVol and VC Filter controls are available on the C90's display when the PB is plugged in, further showing that for some reason when the PB is plugged in my 4000x disappears.  



My PB is originally a Volkswagen model modded to work with Sony Unilink.  This is the main reason why I suspect the cable, as it was hand made even though the craftsmanship looks very sound.  I don't know what to do up to this point, as I doubt Phatnoise will be willing to offer any assistance since my PB has been modified.  Guess I'll try to contact the person who modded it for me, and hope for the best.  =(



Any other ideas?!?



-------------- Original message -------------- 

From: dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) 



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 >-------------- 

 >

 > 

 >Ok, I just received and connected my modified Phatbox to my system, 

 >however upon connection it seems as if my 4000x disappears. I am 

 >connecting it directly to the Unilink Changer Control input on the 

 >4000x, and when doing so the phatbox powers up fine and is even 

 >recognized by my C90, but my 4000x does not even turn on or power on 

 >my system. Unplugging the phatbox from the unilink control 

 >immediately powers on the 4000x, so I'm thinking I have a bad phatbox 

 >cable. Anyone else have any ideas? Please help! 

 >-------------- 

 

 Did you use the reset button on the C90 to do a complete system bus 

 reset? You might also need a cable that has the Bus-On correctly 

 wired. I can't remember for sure, but I thought they were shipping 

 cables that had this done now, but maybe they slipped up. 

 

 Congrats on your new Phatbox; you're gonna love it. I can't image not 

 having one (er, I mean two), now on my installations. Very nice. 

 

 Matt Dralle 

 

 

 

 

 -- 

 

 

 Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

 925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

 http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

 

 


	


I did to a complete system reset as well as re-flash the firmware on the DMS cart after I encountered the problem, all to no avail. 



The C90 controls the Phatbox perfectly, songs show up on the display, but the 4000x is non-existent when the PB is plugged in. The verysecond the Phatbox is unplugged the 4000x turns on and the rest of my system powers up as it should. To further explain, the DVol and VC Filter controls are available on the C90's displaywhen the PB is plugged in, further showing that for some reason when the PB is plugged in my 4000x disappears. 



My PB is originally a Volkswagen model modded to work with Sony Unilink. This is the main reason why I suspect the cable, as it was hand made even though the craftsmanship looks very sound. I don't know what to do up to this point, as I doubt Phatnoise will be willing to offer any assistance since my PB has been modified. Guess I'll try to contact the person who modded it for me, and hope for the best. =(



Any other ideas?!?



-------------- Original message -------------- 

From: dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) 



 -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) 

 

 -------------- 

 -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net 

  

 Ok, I just received and connected my modified Phatbox to my system, 

 however upon connection it seems as if my 4000x disappears. I am 

 connecting it directly to the Unilink Changer Control input on the 

 4000x, and when doing so the phatbox powers up fine and is even 

 recognized by my C90, but my 4000x does not even turn on or power on 

 my system. Unplugging the phatbox from the unilink control 

 immediately powers on the 4000x, so I'm thinking I have a bad phatbox 

 cable. Anyone else have any i

 deas? Please help! 

 -------------- 

 

 Did you use the reset button on the C90 to do a complete system bus 

 reset? You might also need a cable that has the Bus-On correctly 

 wired. I can't remember for sure, but I thought they were shipping 

 cables that had this done now, but maybe they slipped up. 

 

 Congrats on your new Phatbox; you're gonna love it. I can't image not 

 having one (er, I mean two), now on my installations. Very nice. 

 

 Matt Dralle 

 

 

 

 

 -- 

 

 

 Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

 925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

 http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

 

&g

mdx400(at)hotmail.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:39 pm Post subject: Phatnoise Connection Problem - Help?!

 	  Quote: 	
		  



My PB is originally a Volkswagen model modded to work with Sony Unilink.  

This is the main reason why I suspect the cable, as it was hand made even 

though the craftsmanship looks very sound.  I don't know what to do up to 

this point, as I doubt Phatnoise will be willing to offer any assistance 

since my PB has been modified.  Guess I'll try to contact the person who 

modded it for me, and hope for the best.  =(



Any other ideas?!?


	


Well you could always try not mentioning that it is modified!  LOL.



Also the cable sounds suspect to me as well, though I admittedly know very 

little about using one of these since I've never actually installed/set one 

up.  But just from the fact that Matt seemed to allude to the fact that 

there was a problem with the cabling in the past somehow (that the cables 

have to have "bus-on" wired correctly?) that makes me think the cable too.  

Though of course it might just be the unit itself, looks like you have to 

rule the cable out first by swapping in another one or making certain it is 

wired right...



Roland M.

bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:08 pm Post subject: Phatnoise Connection Problem - Help?!

Now I just have to find a cable that is known to work in conjunction with a Sony processor.  I think I'm going to give Phatnoise a try tomorrow and see what they have to say, but from the sound of it they don't hand out (or sell) any of their cables very willingly...   And to think I was so excited to give this thing a try and then this happens... what an exercise of patience...  ugh!  =(



-------------- Original message -------------- 

From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com> 



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 >

 > 

 >My PB is originally a Volkswagen model modded to work with Sony Unilink. 

 >This is the main reason why I suspect the cable, as it was hand made even 

 >though the craftsmanship looks very sound. I don't know what to do up to 

 >this point, as I doubt Phatnoise will be willing to offer any assistance 

 >since my PB has been modified. Guess I'll try to contact the person who 

 >modded it for me, and hope for the best. =( 

 > 

 >Any other ideas?!? 

 

 Well you could always try not mentioning that it is modified! LOL. 

 

 Also the cable sounds suspect to me as well, though I admittedly know very 

 little about using one of these since I've never actually installed/set one 

 up. But just from the fact that Matt seemed to allude to the fact that 

 there was a problem with the cabling in the past somehow (that the cables 

 have to have "bus-on" wired correctly?) that makes me think the cable too. 

 Though of course it might just be the unit itself, looks like you have to 

 rule the cable out first by swapping in another one or making certain it is 

 wired right... 

 

 Roland M. 

 

 

 


	


Now Ijust haveto find a cable that is known to work in conjunction with a Sonyprocessor. I think I'm going to give Phatnoise a try tomorrow and see what they have to say, but from the sound of it they don't hand out (or sell) any of their cables very willingly... And to think I was so excited to give this thinga try and then this happens... what an exercise of patience... ugh! =(



-------------- Original message -------------- 

From: "Roland M" mdx400(at)hotmail.com 



 -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" <MDX400(at)HOTMAIL.COM>

 

 -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net 

  

 My PB is originally a Volkswagen model modded to work with Sony Unilink. 

 This is the main reason why I suspect the cable, as it was hand made even 

 though the craftsmanship looks very sound. I don't know what to do up to 

 this point, as I doubt Phatnoise will be willing to offer any assistance 

 since my PB has been modified. Guess I'll try to contact the person who 

 modded it for me, and hope for the best. =( 

  

 Any other ideas?!? 

 

 Well you could always try not mentioning that it is modified! LOL. 

&g

 t; 

 Also the cable sounds suspect to me as well, though I admittedly know very 

 little about using one of these since I've never actually installed/set one 

 up. But just from the fact that Matt seemed to allude to the fact that 

 there was a problem with the cabling in the past somehow (that the cables 

 have to have "bus-on" wired correctly?) that makes me think the cable too. 

 Though of course it might just be the unit itself, looks like you have to 

 rule the cable out first by swapping in another one or making certain it is 

 wired right... 

 

 Roland M. 

 

 

 http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x-list

bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 2:01 pm Post subject: Phatnoise Connection Problem - Help?!

Well, I contacted Phatnoise about my problem and at first they said that since I'm using an external processer in my system they can't guarantee that the Phatbox will work with my system.  After I clarified that I know that there are people who have had perfect success with using a Phatbox in a specific setup like mine I was told they could replace the cable, but I have to show proof of ownership.  They want me to take a digital photo of the bottom of my Phatbox and email it to them, which if I do that they'll realize that mine isn't originally a Sony unit...  Once they realize that there's no way they'll offer any assistance.



So, is there anyone out there with a real Sony PB willing to snap a photo for me or maybe even purchase a cable from them and send to me and I'll Paypal the $$?  I know it's alot to ask but I figure it's worth a try... 



I did hear back from the person who put this all together for me, and he's willing to check the cable, but looking at how well he did the splice I don't know if this is any fault of his wiring aside from not knowing the correct way to do it.  So I do still have this as an option, but I'm doubtful if it will even be worth the hassle.  

-------------- Original message -------------- 

From: dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) 



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 >-------------- 

 >

 > 

 >Ok, I just received and connected my modified Phatbox to my system, 

 >however upon connection it seems as if my 4000x disappears. I am 

 >connecting it directly to the Unilink Changer Control input on the 

 >4000x, and when doing so the phatbox powers up fine and is even 

 >recognized by my C90, but my 4000x does not even turn on or power on 

 >my system. Unplugging the phatbox from the unilink control 

 >immediately powers on the 4000x, so I'm thinking I have a bad phatbox 

 >cable. Anyone else have any ideas? Please help! 

 >-------------- 

 

 Did you use the reset button on the C90 to do a complete system bus 

 reset? You might also need a cable that has the Bus-On correctly 

 wired. I can't remember for sure, but I thought they were shipping 

 cables that had this done now, but maybe they slipped up. 

 

 Congrats on your new Phatbox; you're gonna love it. I can't image not 

 having one (er, I mean two), now on my installations. Very nice. 

 

 Matt Dralle 

 

 

 

 

 -- 

 

 

 Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

 925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

 http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

 

 


	


Well, I contacted Phatnoise about my problem and at first they said that since I'm using an external processer in my system they can't guarantee that the Phatbox will work with my system. After I clarified that I know that there are people who have had perfect success with using a Phatbox in a specific setup like mine I was told they could replace the cable, but I have to show proof of ownership. They want me to take a digital photo of the bottom of my Phatbox and email it to them, which if I do that they'll realize that mine isn't originally a Sony unit... Once they realize that there's no way they'll offer any assistance.



So, is there anyone out there with a real Sony PBwilling to snap a photo for me or maybe even purchase a cable from themand send to me and I'll Paypal the $$? I know it's alotto ask but I figure it's worth a try...



I did hear back from the person who put this all together for me, and he's willing to checkthe cable, but looking at how well he did the splice I don't know if this is any fault of his wiring aside from not knowing the correct way to do it. So I do still have this as an option, but I'm doubtful if it will even be worth the hassle. 

-------------- Original message -------------- 

From: dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) 



 -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) 

 

 -------------- 

 -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net 

  

 Ok, I just received and connected my modified Phatbox to my system, 

 however upon connection it seems as if my 4000x disappears. I am 

 connecting it directly to the Unilink Changer Control input on the 

 4000x, and when doing so the phatbox powers up fine and is even 

 recognized by my C90, but my 4000x does not even turn on or power on 

 my system. Unplugging the phatbox from the unilink control 

 immediately powers on the 4000x, so I'm thinking I have a bad phatbox 

 cable. Anyone else have any i

 deas? Please help! 

 -------------- 

 

 Did you use the reset button on the C90 to do a complete system bus 

 reset? You might also need a cable that has the Bus-On correctly 

 wired. I can't remember for sure, but I thought they were shipping 

 cables that had this done now, but maybe they slipped up. 

 

 Congrats on your new Phatbox; you're gonna love it. I can't image not 

 having one (er, I mean two), now on my installations. Very nice. 

 

 Matt Dralle 

 

 

 

 

 -- 

 

 

 Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

 925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

 http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

 

&g

mdx400(at)hotmail.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 4:08 pm Post subject: Phatnoise Connection Problem - Help?!

 	  Quote: 	
		  



I was told they could replace the cable, but I have to show proof of 

ownership.  They want me to take a digital photo of the bottom of my 

Phatbox and email it to them, which if I do that they'll realize that mine 

isn't originally a Sony unit...  Once they realize that there's no way 

they'll offer any assistance.




	


LOL!  That's an awful lot of "security" for just trying to buy a cable.  I 

don't get why they would do that.  I guess they have to "protect" their 

overpriced and outdated products somehow, lol.  Kenwood (who originally used 

Phatnoise products for their Music Keg as we all know) and JVC are both 

already making HUs with USB Mass-Storage control built in; meaning you can 

just use a USB flash drive or an external HDD case (be it 1.8", 2.5" or 

3.5") and connect it directly to the HU.



This of course doesn't help you trying to use your current setup but it's 

only a matter of time before products like the Phatbox are largely 

forgotten.  Now it was never a bad product, I'm not saying that (in fact it 

is pretty good for what it does) but for it's pricetag (unless you're 

getting one of the refurb Music Kegs, etc which are okay priced) and because 

of the fact that you can do the same thing without one now it's pretty much 

over for it, lol.



Personally I don't really like the idea of making things proprietary, *just* 

so you have to buy things from that company and for no other reason.  And 

I'm pretty sure no one else likes that either--it's no wonder that their 

proprietary HDD format and other things about the box are being "hacked". 

For example, if they were using some kind of special storage medium or HDD 

type that would be fine, but we all know they're just using regular HDDs and 

instead of letting people just use their own regular HDDs they use some 

proprietary firmware BS so they can sell you a $100 drive for $400 

:rolleyes:  Someone hacks it and then they get mad because they can't gouge 

people (as much) anymore.



I'm not sure what the max. capacity of the Kenwood and JVC units with the 

USB feature is, but I'm sure even if it isn't large it won't be long before 

features like that handle at least 200GB (if they can't already) and every 

manufacturer starts to offer it.  That'll teach Phatnoise a lesson, LOL.  

I'm not really against Phatnoise and the Phatbox or anything... I'm sure it 

works wonderfully and is an excellent product (as other list users including 

Matt have noted).  But just stupid tactics like this make me dislike their 

business practices.



Really they should be trying to sell you that cable to get any money they 

still can out of the Phatbox, LOL.  I mean I'm surprised they don't try to 

charge you $100 for the cable or something (but hey you didn't mention the 

price yet haha)...



Well anyway I hope you can get that silly picture they're requesting, from 

someone on the list...  At least they aren't asking you to put your Driver's 

License in the pic to confirm it's you and your phatbox or something, LOL!



Roland M.

bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 4:19 pm Post subject: Phatnoise Connection Problem - Help?!

Wow, I hear ya! And trust me, I know exactly what you're saying!  =(  

Here's a copy of the email they sent ot me in reply to my request;



Hello Bobby,



Please provide a digital photo of the bottom of the PhatBox and we will send a link to purchase a replacement cable. We cannot guarantee that the PhatBox will work through the unilink adapter.



Best regards, 

PhatNoise Customer Support 

As far as a cable price, I have no idea what they're asking, but at this point $100 doesn't seem that far out of line when comparing the pricing of their product line.  And the really sad thing is, at this point after having spent all the money on the unit itself, I would even pay it if it would mean that I could finally use the thing!  Yes, I hope someone out there can help me out here, but I also understand that there's a fine line between asking for a hand and then asking for too much, so we'll see...



-------------- Original message -------------- 

From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com> 



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 >

 > 

 >I was told they could replace the cable, but I have to show proof of 

 >ownership. They want me to take a digital photo of the bottom of my 

 >Phatbox and email it to them, which if I do that they'll realize that mine 

 >isn't originally a Sony unit... Once they realize that there's no way 

 >they'll offer any assistance. 

 > 

 

 LOL! That's an awful lot of "security" for just trying to buy a cable. I 

 don't get why they would do that. I guess they have to "protect" their 

 overpriced and outdated products somehow, lol. Kenwood (who originally used 

 Phatnoise products for their Music Keg as we all know) and JVC are both 

 already making HUs with USB Mass-Storage control built in; meaning you can 

 just use a USB flash drive or an external HDD case (be it 1.8", 2.5" or 

 3.5") and connect it directly to the HU. 

 

 This of course doesn't help you trying to use your current setup but it's 

 only a matter of time before products like the Phatbox are largely 

 forgotten. Now it was never a bad product, I'm not saying that (in fact it 

 is pretty good for what it does) but for it's pricetag (unless you're 

 getting one of the refurb Music Kegs, etc which are okay priced) and because 

 of the fact that you can do the same thing without one now it's pretty much 

 over for it, lol. 

 

 Personally I don't really like the idea of making things proprietary, *just* 

 so you have to buy things from that company and for no other reason. And 

 I'm pretty sure no one else likes that either--it's no wonder that their 

 proprietary HDD format and other things about the box are being "hacked". 

 For example, if they were using some kind of special storage medium or HDD 

 type that would be fine, but we all know they're just using regular HDDs and 

 instead of letting people just use their own regular HDDs they use some 

 proprietary firmware BS so they can sell you a $100 drive for $400 

 :rolleyes: Someone hacks it and then they get mad because they can't gouge 

 people (as much) anymore. 

 

 I'm not sure what the max. capacity of the Kenwood and JVC units with the 

 USB feature is, but I'm sure even if it isn't large it won't be long before 

 features like that handle at least 200GB (if they can't already) and every 

 manufacturer starts to offer it. That'll teach Phatnoise a lesson, LOL. 

 I'm not really against Phatnoise and the Phatbox or anything... I'm sure it 

 works wonderfully and is an excellent product (as other list users including 

 Matt have noted). But just stupid tactics like this make me dislike their 

 business practices. 

 

 Really they should be trying to sell you that cable to get any money they 

 still can out of the Phatbox, LOL. I mean I'm surprised they don't try to 

 charge you $100 for the cable or something (but hey you didn't mention the 

 price yet haha)... 

 

 Well anyway I hope you can get that silly picture they're requesting, from 

 someone on the list... At least they aren't asking you to put your Driver's 

 License in the pic to confirm it's you and your phatbox or something, LOL! 

 

 Roland M. 

 

 

 


	


Wow, I hear ya!And trust me, I know exactly what you're saying! =( 

Here's a copy of the email they sent ot me in reply to my request;

Hello Bobby,



Please provide a digital photo of the bottom of the PhatBox and we will send a link to purchase a replacement cable. We cannot guarantee that the PhatBox will work through the unilink adapter.





Best regards, 



PhatNoise Customer Support 





As far as a cable price, I have no idea what they're asking, but at this point $100 doesn't seem that far out of line when comparing the pricing of their product line. And the reallysad thing is, at this point after having spent all the money on the unit itself, I would even pay it if it would mean that I could finally use the thing! Yes, I hope someone out there can help me out here, but I also understand that there's a fine line between asking for a hand and then asking for too much, so we'll see...



-------------- Original message -------------- 

From: "Roland M" mdx400(at)hotmail.com 



 -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Roland M" <MDX400(at)HOTMAIL.COM>

 

 -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net 

  

 I was told they could replace the cable, but I have to show proof of 

 ownership. They want me to take a digital photo of the bottom of my 

 Phatbox and email it to them, which if I do that they'll realize that mine 

 isn't originally a Sony unit... Once they realize that there's no way 

 they'll offer any assistance. 

  

 

 LOL! That's an awful lot of "security" for just trying to buy a cable. I 

 don't get why they would do that. I guess they have to "protect" their 

 overpriced and outdated products somehow, lol. Kenwoo

 d (who originally used 

 Phatnoise products for their Music Keg as we all know) and JVC are both 

 already making HUs with USB Mass-Storage control built in; meaning you can 

 just use a USB flash drive or an external HDD case (be it 1.8", 2.5" or 

 3.5") and connect it directly to the HU. 

 

 This of course doesn't help you trying to use your current setup but it's 

 only a matter of time before products like the Phatbox are largely 

 forgotten. Now it was never a bad product, I'm not saying that (in fact it 

 is pretty good for what it does) but for it's pricetag (unless you're 

 getting one of the refurb Music Kegs, etc which are okay priced) and because 

 of the fact that you can do the same thing without one now it's pretty much 

 over for it, lol. 

 

 Personally I don't really like the idea of making things proprietary, *just* 

 so you have to buy things from that c

 ompany and for no other reason. And 

 I'm pretty sure no one else likes that either--it's no wonder that their 

 proprietary HDD format and other things about the box are being "hacked". 

 For example, if they were using some kind of special storage medium or HDD 

 type that would be fine, but we all know they're just using regular HDDs and 

 instead of letting people just use their own regular HDDs they use some 

 proprietary firmware BS so they can sell you a $100 drive for $400 

 :rolleyes: Someone hacks it and then they get mad because they can't gouge 

 people (as much) anymore. 

 

 I'm not sure what the max. capacity of the Kenwood and JVC units with the 

 USB feature is, but I'm sure even if it isn't large it won't be long before 

 features like that handle at least 200GB (if they can't already) and every 

 manufacturer starts to offer it. That'll teach Phatnoise a lesson, LOL. 

 

 I'm not really against Phatnoise and the Phatbox or anything... I'm sure it 

 works wonderfully and is an excellent product (as other list users including 

 Matt have noted). But just stupid tactics like this make me dislike their 

 business practices. 

 

 Really they should be trying to sell you that cable to get any money they 

 still can out of the Phatbox, LOL. I mean I'm surprised they don't try to 

 charge you $100 for the cable or something (but hey you didn't mention the 

 price yet haha)... 

 

 Well anyway I hope you can get that silly picture they're requesting, from 

 someone on the list... At least they aren't asking you to put your Driver's 

 License in the pic to confirm it's you and your phatbox or something, LOL! 

 

 Roland M. 

 

 

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Matt Dralle
Site Admin

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Posts: 26477
Location: Livermore CA USA

Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 7:39 pm Post subject: Phatnoise Connection Problem - Help?!

Okay, here's some help on this cable issue.  Below are two links to some information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired.  Note that you *will need* the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire.  Note the color coding and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.  The links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a little with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:



What Matt Found on his cable:



http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf



What Phatbox Said:



http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf



Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different.  Use the drawing that matches best your installation.



Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox?  If you are using anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.  Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).



Matt Dralle

For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:



"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.  The connections are the same but the colors are different.  You want to connect a 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.  I have attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections (SonyCable5.pdf).



The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector.  They can be seen on the PhatBox connector.



An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.  Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device configurations.  I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will work with any multi-device configurations.



The problem is with the bus master signal.  It is an input.  It is used for arbitration during device initialization.  Without the pull-down the signal stays high (+5V) at all times.  Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is the right time to initialize itself.



After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.  The PhatBox should then force a reset after a few seconds.  However, you should listen to Matt regarding pushing reset.  He would know best about using the C90.



Regards,

Mike"



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Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 7:57 pm Post subject: Phatnoise Connection Problem - Help?!

Wow, thanks!  This is exactly what I needed to get this working, (or so I hope)  I'll keep ya posted.



-------------- Original message -------------- 

From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> 



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 

 Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

 information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will need* 

 the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding 

 and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. The 

 links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a little 

 with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

 

 What Matt Found on his cable: 

 

 http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

 

 What Phatbox Said: 

 

 http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf 

 

 Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different. 

 Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

 

 Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using 

 anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. 

 Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). 

 

 Matt Dralle 

 

 

 For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: 

 

 "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

 connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 

 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have 

 attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections (SonyCable5.pdf). 

 

 The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the 

 PhatBox connector. 

 

 An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

 Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

 configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will work 

 with any multi-device configurations. 

 

 The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for 

 arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal 

 stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is the 

 right time to initialize itself. 

 

 After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox 

 should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to 

 Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

 

 Regards, 

 Mike" 

 

 

 

 

 

 Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

 http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

 

 

 

 


	


Wow, thanks! This is exactly what I needed to get this working, (or so I hope) I'll keep ya posted.



-------------- Original message -------------- 

From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com 



 -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE(at)MATRONICS.COM>

 

 

 Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

 information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will need* 

 the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding 

 and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. The 

 links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a little 

 with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

 

 What Matt Found on his cable: 

 

 http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

 

 What Phatbox Said: 

 

 http://www.m

 atronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf 

 

 Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different. 

 Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

 

 Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using 

 anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. 

 Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). 

 

 Matt Dralle 

 

 

 For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: 

 

 "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

 connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 

 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have 

 attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections (SonyCable5.pdf). 

 

 The numbers can not be seen on 

 the Sony connector. They can be seen on the 

 PhatBox connector. 

 

 An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

 Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

 configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will work 

 with any multi-device configurations. 

 

 The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for 

 arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal 

 stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is the 

 right time to initialize itself. 

 

 After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox 

 should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to 

 Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

 

 Regards, 

 Mike" 

&

 gt; 

 

 

 

 

 Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

 http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

 

 

 

 list/download

bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:49 am Post subject: Phatnoise Connection Problem - Help?!

One thing that is confusing me Matt, you have a 4.7k ohm resistor as what to use between Bus-On and Gnd, where as Mike Woo quoted it as being a 10k ohm resistor.  Maybe I'm reading something wrong, but which am I supposed to use, the 4.7k resistor or 10k, or is the difference between the two too insignificant to matter?  



-------------- Original message -------------- 

From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> 



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 

 Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

 information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will need* 

 the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding 

 and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. The 

 links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a little 

 with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

 

 What Matt Found on his cable: 

 

 http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

 

 What Phatbox Said: 

 

 http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf 

 

 Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different. 

 Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

 

 Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using 

 anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. 

 Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). 

 

 Matt Dralle 

 

 

 For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: 

 

 "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

 connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 

 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have 

 attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections (SonyCable5.pdf). 

 

 The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the 

 PhatBox connector. 

 

 An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

 Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

 configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will work 

 with any multi-device configurations. 

 

 The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for 

 arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal 

 stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is the 

 right time to initialize itself. 

 

 After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox 

 should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to 

 Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

 

 Regards, 

 Mike" 

 

 

 

 

 

 Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

 http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

 

 

 

 


	


One thing that is confusing me Matt, you have a 4.7k ohm resistor as what to use between Bus-On and Gnd, where as Mike Woo quoted it as being a 10k ohm resistor. Maybe I'm reading something wrong, but which am I supposed to use, the 4.7k resistor or 10k, or is the difference between the twotoo insignificant to matter? 



-------------- Original message -------------- 

From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com 



 -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE(at)MATRONICS.COM>

 

 

 Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

 information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will need* 

 the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding 

 and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. The 

 links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a little 

 with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

 

 What Matt Found on his cable: 

 

 http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

 

 What Phatbox Said: 

 

 http://www.m

 atronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf 

 

 Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different. 

 Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

 

 Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using 

 anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. 

 Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). 

 

 Matt Dralle 

 

 

 For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: 

 

 "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

 connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 

 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have 

 attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections (SonyCable5.pdf). 

 

 The numbers can not be seen on 

 the Sony connector. They can be seen on the 

 PhatBox connector. 

 

 An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

 Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

 configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will work 

 with any multi-device configurations. 

 

 The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for 

 arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal 

 stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is the 

 right time to initialize itself. 

 

 After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox 

 should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to 

 Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

 

 Regards, 

 Mike" 

&

 gt; 

 

 

 

 

 Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

 http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

 

 

 

 list/download

bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 6:28 pm Post subject: Phatnoise Connection Problem - Help?!

Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox.  Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since there seemed to be a conflict of information.



Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?  I'm running out of options here.  Can anybody help?



-------------- Original message -------------- 

From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> 



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 

 Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

 information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will need* 

 the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding 

 and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. The 

 links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a little 

 with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

 

 What Matt Found on his cable: 

 

 http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

 

 What Phatbox Said: 

 

 http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf 

 

 Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different. 

 Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

 

 Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using 

 anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. 

 Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). 

 

 Matt Dralle 

 

 

 For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: 

 

 "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

 connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 

 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have 

 attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections (SonyCable5.pdf). 

 

 The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the 

 PhatBox connector. 

 

 An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

 Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

 configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will work 

 with any multi-device configurations. 

 

 The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for 

 arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal 

 stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is the 

 right time to initialize itself. 

 

 After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox 

 should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to 

 Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

 

 Regards, 

 Mike" 

 

 

 

 

 

 Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

 http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

 

 

 

 


	


Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox. Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since there seemed to be a conflict of information.



Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm running out of options here. Can anybody help?



-------------- Original message -------------- 

From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com 



 -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE(at)MATRONICS.COM>

 

 

 Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

 information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will need* 

 the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding 

 and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. The 

 links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a little 

 with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

 

 What Matt Found on his cable: 

 

 http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

 

 What Phatbox Said: 

 

 http://www.m

 atroni

cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf 

 

 Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different. 

 Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

 

 Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using 

 anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. 

 Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). 

 

 Matt Dralle 

 

 

 For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: 

 

 "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

 connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 

 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have 

 attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections (SonyCable5.pdf). 

 

 The numbers can not be seen on the Son

 y conn

ector. They can be seen on the 

 PhatBox connector. 

 

 An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

 Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

 configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will work 

 with any multi-device configurations. 

 

 The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for 

 arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal 

 stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is the 

 right time to initialize itself. 

 

 After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox 

 should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to 

 Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

 

 Regards, 

 Mike" 

 

 <

 BR>&gt

; 

 

 

 Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

 http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

 

 

 

&gt

==================================================================

Matt Dralle
Site Admin

Joined: 08 Nov 2005
Posts: 26477
Location: Livermore CA USA

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 6:31 pm Post subject: Phatnoise Connection Problem - Help?!

Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?

Matt

At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006  Monday, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox.  Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since there seemed to be a conflict of information.

Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?  I'm running out of options here.  Can anybody help?

-------------- Original message -------------- 

From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> 

> 

> 

> 

> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will need* 

> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding 

> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. The 

> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a little 

> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

> 

> What Matt Found on his cable: 

> 

> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

> 

> What Phatbox Said: 

> 

> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf 

> 

> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different. 

> Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

> 

> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using 

> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. 

> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). 

> 

> Matt Dralle 

> 

> 

> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: 

> 

> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 

> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have 

> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections (SonyCable5.pdf). 

> 

> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the 

> PhatBox connector. 

> 

> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will work 

> with any multi-device configurations. 

> 

> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for 

> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal 

> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is the 

> right time to initialize itself. 

> 

> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox 

> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to 

> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

> 

> Regards, 

> Mike" 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

> 

> 

> 

> 

Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox. Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since there seemed to be a conflict of information.

Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm running out of options here. Can anybody help?

-------------- Original message -------------- 

From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com 

 -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE(at)MATRONICS.COM>

 Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

 information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will need* 

 the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding 

 and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. The 

 links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a little 

 with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

 What Matt Found on his cable: 

 http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

 What Phatbox Said: 

 http://www.m

 atroni

cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf 

 Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different. 

 Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

 Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using 

 anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. 

 Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). 

 Matt Dralle 

 For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: 

 "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

 connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 

 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have 

 attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections (SonyCable5.pdf). 

 The numbers can not be seen on the Son

 y conn

ector. They can be seen on the 

 PhatBox connector. 

 An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

 Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

 configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will work 

 with any multi-device configurations. 

 The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for 

 arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal 

 stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is the 

 right time to initialize itself. 

 After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox 

 should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to 

 Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

 Regards, 

 Mike" 

 <

 BR>&gt

; 

 Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

 http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

&gt

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Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 7:00 pm Post subject: Phatnoise Connection Problem - Help?!

Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset afterwards, all to no avail.  So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's plugged in.  I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the Phatbox is plugged in...  I just don't know what to do...

-------------- Original message -------------- 

From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> 

 	  Quote: 	

 Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware? 

 Matt 

 At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: 

 >

 > 

 >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested 

 and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x 

 powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox. 

 Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since 

 there seemed to be a conflict of information. 

 > 

 >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to 

 part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone 

 wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm 

 running out of options here. Can anybody help? 

 > 

 >-------------- Original message -------------- 

 >From: Matt Dralle 

 > 

 >> 

 >> 

 >> 

 >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

 >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will 

 need* 

 >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding 

 >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. 

 The 

 >> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a 

 little 

 >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

 >> 

 >> What Matt Found on his cable: 

 >> 

 >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

 >> 

 >> What Phatbox Said: 

 >> 

 >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf 

 >> 

 >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little 

 different. 

 >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

 >> 

 >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using 

 >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. 

 >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). 

 >> 

 >> Matt Dralle 

 >> 

 >> 

 >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: 

 >> 

 >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

 >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 

 >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have 

 >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections 

 (SonyCable5.pdf). 

 >> 

 >> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the 

 >> PhatBox connector. 

 >> 

 >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

 >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

 >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will 

 work 

 >> with any multi-device configurations. 

 >> 

 >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for 

 >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal 

 >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is 

 the 

 >> right time to initialize itself. 

 >> 

 >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox 

 >> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to 

 >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

 >> 

 >> Regards, 

 >> Mike" 

 >> 

 >> 

 >> 

 >> 

 >> 

 >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

 >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

 >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

 >> 

 >> 

 >> 

 >> 

 > 

 >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested 

 and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x 

 powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox. 

 Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since 

 there seemed to be a conflict of information. 

 > 

 >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to 

 part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone 

 wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm 

 running out of options here. Can anybody help? 

 > 

 >-------------- Original message -------------- 

 >From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com 

 > 

 > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

 > 

 > 

 > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

 > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will 

 need* 

 > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding 

 > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. 

 The 

 > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a 

 little 

 > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

 > 

 > What Matt Found on his cable: 

 > 

 > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

 > 

 > What Phatbox Said: 

 > 

 > http://www.m 

 > atroni 

 >cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf 

 > 

 > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little 

 different. 

 > Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

 > 

 > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using 

 > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. 

 > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). 

 > 

 > Matt Dralle 

 > 

 > 

 > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: 

 > 

 > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

 > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 

 > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have 

 > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections 

 (SonyCable5.pdf). 

 > 

 > The numbers can not be seen on the Son 

 > y conn 

 >ector. They can be seen on the 

 > PhatBox connector. 

 > 

 > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

 > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

 > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will 

 work 

 > with any multi-device configurations. 

 > 

 > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for 

 > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal 

 > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is 

 the 

 > right time to initialize itself. 

 > 

 > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox 

 > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to 

 > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

 > 

 > Regards, 

 > Mike" 

 > 

 > < 

 > BR>> 

 >; 

 > 

 > 

 > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

 > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

 > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 >> 

 >================================================================== 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

 http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...

-------------- Original message -------------- 

From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com 

 -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE(at)MATRONICS.COM>

 Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware? 

 Matt 

 At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: 

 -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net 

 Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested 

 and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x 

 powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox. 

 Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since 

 there seemed to be a conflict of information. 

 Anyone out there

  with 

a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to 

 part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone 

 wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm 

 running out of options here. Can anybody help? 

 -------------- Original message -------------- 

 From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE(at)MATRONICS.COM>

  -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

  Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

  information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will 

 need* 

  the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding 

  and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. 

 The 

  links are for reference only and you might find

  you n

eed to interpolate a 

 little 

  with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

  What Matt Found on his cable: 

  http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

  What Phatbox Said: 

  http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf 

  Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little 

 different. 

  Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

  Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using 

  anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. 

  Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). 

  Matt Dralle 

 &g

 t;

  For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: 

  "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

  connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 

  10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have 

  attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections 

 (SonyCable5.pdf). 

  The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the 

  PhatBox connector. 

  An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

  Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

  configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will 

 work 

  with any multi-device conf

 igurat

ions. 

  The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for 

  arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal 

  stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is 

 the 

  right time to initialize itself. 

  After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox 

  should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to 

  Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

  Regards, 

  Mike" 

  Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

  925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

  &

gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

 Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested 

 and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x 

 powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox. 

 Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since 

 there seemed to be a conflict of information. 

 Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to 

 part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone 

 wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm 

 running out of options here. Can anybody help? 

 -------------- Original message -------------- 

 From: Matt

  Drall

e dralle(at)matronics.com 

  -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE(at)MATRONICS.COM>

  Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

  information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will 

 need* 

  the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding 

  and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. 

 The 

  links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a 

 little 

  with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

  What Matt Found on his cable: 

  http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

  What Phatbox Said: 

  http://www.m 

  atroni 

 cs.com/xdp

 4000x/

SonyCable5.pdf 

  Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little 

 different. 

  Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

  Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using 

  anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. 

  Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). 

  Matt Dralle 

  For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: 

  "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

  connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 

  10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have 

  attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti

 ons <B

R> (SonyCable5.pdf). 

  The numbers can not be seen on the Son 

  y conn 

 ector. They can be seen on the 

  PhatBox connector. 

  An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

  Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

  configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will 

 work 

  with any multi-device configurations. 

  The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for 

  arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal 

  stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is 

 the 

  right time to initialize itself. 

  After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox 

  sho

 uld th

en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to 

  Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

  Regards, 

  Mike" 

  BR 

 ; 

  Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

  925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

  http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

 ================================================================== 

 Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

 http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

&g

 t; <BR

bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 7:12 pm Post subject: Phatnoise Connection Problem - Help?!

What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram?  This is the only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the modification of the cable.  Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not working:

Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the job 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong.  The other thing was that in the diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut.  I didnt do this because lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update?  Im not sure if that would help but you might want to ask Matt.  Does it still work when directly connected to the head unit? 

Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?

-------------- Original message -------------- 

From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net 

 	  Quote: 	

 Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset 

 afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is 

 there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's 

 plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and 

 controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the 

 Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do... 

 -------------- Original message -------------- 

 From: Matt Dralle 

 > 

 > 

 > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware? 

 > 

 > Matt 

 > 

 > 

 > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: 

 > >

 > > 

 > >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as 

 suggested 

 > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 

 4000x 

 > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox. 

 > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since 

 > there seemed to be a conflict of information. 

 > > 

 > >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to 

 > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone 

 > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm 

 > running out of options here. Can anybody help? 

 > > 

 > >-------------- Original message -------------- 

 > >From: Matt Dralle 

 > > 

 > >> 

 > >> 

 > >> 

 > >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

 > >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will 

 > need* 

 > >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color 

 coding 

 > >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. 

 > The 

 > >> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a 

 > little 

 > >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

 > >> 

 > >> What Matt Found on his cable: 

 > >> 

 > >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

 > >> 

 > >> What Phatbox Said: 

 > >> 

 > >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf 

 > >> 

 > >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little 

 > different. 

 > >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

 > >> 

 > >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using 

 > >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. 

 > >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). 

 > >> 

 > >> Matt Dralle 

 > >> 

 > >> 

 > >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: 

 > >> 

 > >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

 > >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect 

 a 

 > >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I 

 have 

 > >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections 

 > (SonyCable5.pdf). 

 > >> 

 > >> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the 

 > >> PhatBox connector. 

 > >> 

 > >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

 > >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

 > >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will 

 > work 

 > >> with any multi-device configurations. 

 > >> 

 > >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for 

 > >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal 

 > >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is 

 > the 

 > >> right time to initialize itself. 

 > >> 

 > >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox 

 > >> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen 

 to 

 > >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

 > >> 

 > >> Regards, 

 > >> Mike" 

 > >> 

 > >> 

 > >> 

 > >> 

 > >> 

 > >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

 > >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

 > >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

 > >> 

 > >> 

 > >> 

 > >> 

 > > 

 > >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as 

 suggested 

 > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 

 4000x 

 > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox. 

 > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since 

 > there seemed to be a conflict of information. 

 > > 

 > >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to 

 > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone 

 > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm 

 > running out of options here. Can anybody help? 

 > > 

 > >-------------- Original message -------------- 

 > >From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com 

 > > 

 > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

 > > 

 > > 

 > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

 > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will 

 > need* 

 > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color 

 coding 

 > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. 

 > The 

 > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a 

 > little 

 > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

 > > 

 > > What Matt Found on his cable: 

 > > 

 > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

 > > 

 > > What Phatbox Said: 

 > > 

 > > http://www.m 

 > > atroni 

 > >cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf 

 > > 

 > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little 

 > different. 

 > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

 > > 

 > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using 

 > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. 

 > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). 

 > > 

 > > Matt Dralle 

 > > 

 > > 

 > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: 

 > > 

 > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

 > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 

 > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have 

 > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections 

 > (SonyCable5.pdf). 

 > > 

 > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son 

 > > y conn 

 > >ector. They can be seen on the 

 > > PhatBox connector. 

 > > 

 > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

 > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

 > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will 

 > work 

 > > with any multi-device configurations. 

 > > 

 > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for 

 > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal 

 > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is 

 > the 

 > > right time to initialize itself. 

 > > 

 > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox 

 > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to 

 > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

 > > 

 > > Regards, 

 > > Mike" 

 > > 

 > > < 

 > > BR>> 

 > >; 

 > > 

 > > 

 > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

 > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

 > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

 > > 

 > > 

 > > 

 > >> 

 > >================================================================== 

 > > 

 > > 

 > > 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

 > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

 > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset 

 afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is there, 

 and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's 

 plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and 

 controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the Phatbox 

 is plugged in... I just don't know what to do... 

 -------------- Original message -------------- 

 From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com 

 -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

 Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware? 

 Matt 

 At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: 

 -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net 

 Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested 

 and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x 

 powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox. 

 Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since 

 there seemed to be a conflict of information. 

 Anyone out there 

 with 

 a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to 

 part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone 

 wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm 

 running out of options here. Can anybody help? 

 -------------- Original message -------------- 

 From: Matt Dralle 

 -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

 Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

 information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will 

 need* 

 the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding 

 and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. 

 The 

 links are for reference only and you might find 

 you n 

 eed to interpolate a 

 little 

 with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

 What Matt Found on his cable: 

 http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

 What Phatbox Said: 

 http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf 

 Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little 

 different. 

 Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

 Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using 

 anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. 

 Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). 

 Matt Dralle 

 &g 

 t; 

 For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: 

 "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

 connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 

 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have 

 attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections 

 (SonyCable5.pdf). 

 The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the 

 PhatBox connector. 

 An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

 Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

 configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will 

 work 

 with any multi-device conf 

 igurat 

 ions. 

 The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for 

 arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal 

 stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is 

 the 

 right time to initialize itself. 

 After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox 

 should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to 

 Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

 Regards, 

 Mike" 

 Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

 & 

 gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

 Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested 

 and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x 

 powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox. 

 Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since 

 there seemed to be a conflict of information. 

 Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to 

 part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone 

 wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm 

 running out of options here. Can anybody help? 

 -------------- Original message -------------- 

 From: Matt 

 Drall 

 e dralle(at)matronics.com 

 -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

 Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

 information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will 

 need* 

 the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding 

 and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. 

 The 

 links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a 

 little 

 with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

 What Matt Found on his cable: 

 http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

 What Phatbox Said: 

 http://www.m 

 atroni 

 cs.com/xdp 

 4000x/ 

 SonyCable5.pdf 

 Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little 

 different. 

 Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

 Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using 

 anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. 

 Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). 

 Matt Dralle 

 For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: 

 "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

 connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 

 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have 

 attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti 

 ons > R> (SonyCable5.pdf). 

 The numbers can not be seen on the Son 

 y conn 

 ector. They can be seen on the 

 PhatBox connector. 

 An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

 Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

 configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will 

 work 

 with any multi-device configurations. 

 The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for 

 arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal 

 stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is 

 the 

 right time to initialize itself. 

 After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox 

 sho 

 uld th 

 en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to 

 Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

 Regards, 

 Mike" 

 BR 

 ; 

 Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

 http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

 ================================================================== 

 Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

 http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

 &g 

 t; 

What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in themodification of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not working:

Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the job 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in the diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this because lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when directly connected to the head unit?

Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?

-------------- Original message -------------- 

From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net 

 -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net 

 Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset 

 afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is 

 there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's 

 plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and 

 controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the 

 Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do... 

 -------------- Original message -------------- 

 From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE(at)MATRONICS.COM>

  -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

  Are you running the 7.0 version of t

 he Son

y Phatbox firmware? 

  Matt 

  At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: 

  -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net 

  Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as 

 suggested 

  and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 

 4000x 

  powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox. 

  Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since 

  there seemed to be a conflict of information. 

  Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to 

  part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone 

  wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm 

&gt

 ; 

 running out of options here. Can anybody help? 

  -------------- Original message -------------- 

  From: Matt Dralle 

   -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

   Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

   information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will 

  need* 

   the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color 

 coding 

   and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. 

  The 

   links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a 

  little 

   with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

   Wha

 t Matt

 Found on his cable: 

   http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

   What Phatbox Said: 

   http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf 

   Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little 

  different. 

   Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

   Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using 

   anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. 

   Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). 

   Matt Dralle 

   For reference, here is a message 

 from M

ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: 

   "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

   connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect 

 a 

   10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I 

 have 

   attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections 

  (SonyCable5.pdf). 

   The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the 

   PhatBox connector. 

   An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

   Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

   configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will 

  work 

 &g

t; with any multi-device configurations. 

   The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for 

   arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal 

   stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is 

  the 

   right time to initialize itself. 

   After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox 

   should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen 

 to 

   Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

   Regards, 

   Mike" 

   Matt G Drall

 e | Ma

tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

   925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

   http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

  Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as 

 suggested 

  and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 

 4000x 

  powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox. 

  Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since 

  there seemed to be a conflict of information. 

  Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to 

  part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone 

  &

gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm 

  running out of options here. Can anybody help? 

  -------------- Original message -------------- 

  From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com 

   -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

   Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

   information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will 

  need* 

   the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color 

 coding 

   and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. 

  The 

   links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a 

  little 

   with respect to colors and pin

  numbe

rs and what not: 

   What Matt Found on his cable: 

   http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

   What Phatbox Said: 

   http://www.m 

   atroni 

  cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf 

   Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little 

  different. 

   Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

   Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using 

   anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. 

   Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). 

   Matt Dralle 

   Fo

 r refe

rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: 

   "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

   connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 

   10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have 

   attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections 

  (SonyCable5.pdf). 

   The numbers can not be seen on the Son 

   y conn 

  ector. They can be seen on the 

   PhatBox connector. 

   An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

   Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

   configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will 

  work 

 &

 gt; &g

t; with any multi-device configurations. 

   The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for 

   arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal 

   stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is 

  the 

   right time to initialize itself. 

   After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox 

   should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to 

   Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

   Regards, 

   Mike" 

   BR 

  ; 

   Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |

  94551

   925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

   http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

  ================================================================== 

  Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

  925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

  http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

 Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset 

 afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is there, 

 and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's 

 pl

 ugged 

in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and 

 controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the Phatbox 

 is plugged in... I just don't know what to do... 

 -------------- Original message -------------- 

 From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com 

 -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE(at)MATRONICS.COM>

 Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware? 

 Matt 

 At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: 

 -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net 

 Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested 

 and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x 

 powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox. 

 Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm

 s inst

ead of 4.7k since 

 there seemed to be a conflict of information. 

 Anyone out there 

 with 

 a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to 

 part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone 

 wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm 

 running out of options here. Can anybody help? 

 -------------- Original message -------------- 

 From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE(at)MATRONICS.COM>

 -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

 Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

 information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will 

 need* 

 the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding 

 and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. 

 The 

 links are 

 for re

ference only and you might find 

 you n 

 eed to interpolate a 

 little 

 with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

 What Matt Found on his cable: 

 http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

 What Phatbox Said: 

 http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf 

 Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little 

 different. 

 Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

 Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using 

 anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. 

 Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). 

 Matt Dralle 

 g 

 t; 

 For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: 

&

 gt; <B

R> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

 connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 

 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have 

 attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections 

 (SonyCable5.pdf). 

 The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the 

 PhatBox connector. 

 An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

 Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

 configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will 

 work 

 with any multi-device conf 

 igurat 

 ions. 

 The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for 

 arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal 

 stays

  high 

(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is 

 the 

 right time to initialize itself. 

 After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox 

 should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to 

 Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

 Regards, 

 Mike" 

 Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

 gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

 Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested 

 and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x 

 powers down, the system resets and the C90only c

 ommuni

cates with the Phatbox. 

 Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since 

 there seemed to be a conflict of information. 

 Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to 

 part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone 

 wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm 

 running out of options here. Can anybody help? 

 -------------- Original message -------------- 

 From: Matt 

 Drall 

 e dralle(at)matronics.com 

 -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE(at)MATRONICS.COM>

 Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

 information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will 

 need* 

 the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding <

 BR>&gt

; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. 

 The 

 links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a 

 little 

 with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

 What Matt Found on his cable: 

 http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

 What Phatbox Said: 

 http://www.m 

 atroni 

 cs.com/xdp 

 4000x/ 

 SonyCable5.pdf 

 Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little 

 different. 

 Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

 Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using 

 anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. 

 Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). 

 Matt Drall

 e 

 For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: 

 "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

 connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 

 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have 

 attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti 

 ons <B 

 R (SonyCable5.pdf). 

 The numbers can not be seen on the Son 

 y conn 

 ector. They can be seen on the 

 PhatBox connector. 

 An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

 Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

 configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will 

 work 

 with any multi-device configurations. 

 The problem is with the bus master signal. I

 t is a

n input. It is used for 

 arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal 

 stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is 

 the 

 right time to initialize itself. 

 After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox 

 sho 

 uld th 

 en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to 

 Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

 Regards, 

 Mike" 

 BR 

 ; 

 Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

 http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

 ================================================================== 

&gt

 ; 

 Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

 http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

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Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 8:42 pm Post subject: Phatnoise Connection Problem - Help?!

Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer?  On both of my installations, I am plugging the Phatbox into the system using one of these.  Basically C90->4000->C30->Phatbox.  I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox directly into a 4000.  Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but I can't remember for sure.  You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... 



Matt

At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006  Monday, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  



What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram?  This is the only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the modification of the cable.  Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not working:



Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the job 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong.  The other thing was that in the diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut.  I didnt do this because lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update?  Im not sure if that would help but you might want to ask Matt.  Does it still work when directly connected to the head unit? 



Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?



-------------- Original message -------------- 

From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net 



> 

> 

> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset 

> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is 

> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's 

> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and 

> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the 

> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do... 

> 

> -------------- Original message -------------- 

> From: Matt Dralle 

> 

> > 

> > 

> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware? 

> > 

> > Matt 

> > 

> > 

> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: 

> > >

> > > 

> > >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as 

> suggested 

> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 

> 4000x 

> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox. 

> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since 

> > there seemed to be a conflict of information. 

> > > 

> > >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to 

> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone 

> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm 

> > running out of options here. Can anybody help? 

> > > 

> > >-------------- Original message -------------- 

> > >From: Matt Dralle 

> > > 

> > >> 

> > >> 

> > >> 

> > >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

> > >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will 

> > need* 

> > >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color 

> coding 

> > >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. 

> > The 

> > >> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a 

> > little 

> > >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

> > >> 

> > >> What Matt Found on his cable: 

> > >> 

> > >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

> > >> 

> > >> What Phatbox Said: 

> > >> 

> > >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf 

> > >> 

> > >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little 

> > different. 

> > >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

> > >> 

> > >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using 

> > >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. 

> > >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). 

> > >> 

> > >> Matt Dralle 

> > >> 

> > >> 

> > >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: 

> > >> 

> > >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

> > >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect 

> a 

> > >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I 

> have 

> > >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections 

> > (SonyCable5.pdf). 

> > >> 

> > >> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the 

> > >> PhatBox connector. 

> > >> 

> > >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

> > >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

> > >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will 

> > work 

> > >> with any multi-device configurations. 

> > >> 

> > >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for 

> > >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal 

> > >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is 

> > the 

> > >> right time to initialize itself. 

> > >> 

> > >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox 

> > >> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen 

> to 

> > >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

> > >> 

> > >> Regards, 

> > >> Mike" 

> > >> 

> > >> 

> > >> 

> > >> 

> > >> 

> > >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

> > >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

> > >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

> > >> 

> > >> 

> > >> 

> > >> 

> > > 

> > >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as 

> suggested 

> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 

> 4000x 

> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox. 

> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since 

> > there seemed to be a conflict of information. 

> > > 

> > >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to 

> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone 

> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm 

> > running out of options here. Can anybody help? 

> > > 

> > >-------------- Original message -------------- 

> > >From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com 

> > > 

> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

> > > 

> > > 

> > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

> > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will 

> > need* 

> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color 

> coding 

> > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. 

> > The 

> > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a 

> > little 

> > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

> > > 

> > > What Matt Found on his cable: 

> > > 

> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

> > > 

> > > What Phatbox Said: 

> > > 

> > > http://www.m 

> > > atroni 

> > >cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf 

> > > 

> > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little 

> > different. 

> > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

> > > 

> > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using 

> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. 

> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). 

> > > 

> > > Matt Dralle 

> > > 

> > > 

> > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: 

> > > 

> > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

> > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 

> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have 

> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections 

> > (SonyCable5.pdf). 

> > > 

> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son 

> > > y conn 

> > >ector. They can be seen on the 

> > > PhatBox connector. 

> > > 

> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

> > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

> > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will 

> > work 

> > > with any multi-device configurations. 

> > > 

> > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for 

> > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal 

> > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is 

> > the 

> > > right time to initialize itself. 

> > > 

> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox 

> > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to 

> > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

> > > 

> > > Regards, 

> > > Mike" 

> > > 

> > > < 

> > > BR>> 

> > >; 

> > > 

> > > 

> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

> > > 

> > > 

> > > 

> > >> 

> > >================================================================== 

> > > 

> > > 

> > > 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> 

> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset 

> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is there, 

> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's 

> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and 

> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the Phatbox 

> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do... 

> 

> -------------- Original message -------------- 

> From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com 

> 

> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

> 

> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware? 

> 

> Matt 

> 

> 

> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: 

> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net 

> 

> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested 

> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x 

> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox. 

> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since 

> there seemed to be a conflict of information. 

> 

> Anyone out there 

> with 

> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to 

> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone 

> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm 

> running out of options here. Can anybody help? 

> 

> -------------- Original message -------------- 

> From: Matt Dralle 

> 

> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

> 

> 

> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will 

> need* 

> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding 

> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. 

> The 

> links are for reference only and you might find 

> you n 

> eed to interpolate a 

> little 

> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

> 

> What Matt Found on his cable: 

> 

> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

> 

> What Phatbox Said: 

> 

> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf 

> 

> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little 

> different. 

> Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

> 

> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using 

> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. 

> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). 

> 

> Matt Dralle 

> 

> &g 

> t; 

> 

> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: 

> 

> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 

> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have 

> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections 

> (SonyCable5.pdf). 

> 

> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the 

> PhatBox connector. 

> 

> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will 

> work 

> with any multi-device conf 

> igurat 

> ions. 

> 

> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for 

> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal 

> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is 

> the 

> right time to initialize itself. 

> 

> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox 

> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to 

> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

> 

> Regards, 

> Mike" 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

> 

> & 

> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested 

> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x 

> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox. 

> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since 

> there seemed to be a conflict of information. 

> 

> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to 

> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone 

> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm 

> running out of options here. Can anybody help? 

> 

> -------------- Original message -------------- 

> From: Matt 

> Drall 

> e dralle(at)matronics.com 

> 

> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

> 

> 

> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will 

> need* 

> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding 

> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. 

> The 

> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a 

> little 

> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

> 

> What Matt Found on his cable: 

> 

> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

> 

> What Phatbox Said: 

> 

> http://www.m 

> atroni 

> cs.com/xdp 

> 4000x/ 

> SonyCable5.pdf 

> 

> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little 

> different. 

> Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

> 

> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using 

> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. 

> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). 

> 

> Matt Dralle 

> 

> 

> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: 

> 

> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 

> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have 

> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti 

> ons > R> (SonyCable5.pdf). 

> 

> The numbers can not be seen on the Son 

> y conn 

> ector. They can be seen on the 

> PhatBox connector. 

> 

> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will 

> work 

> with any multi-device configurations. 

> 

> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for 

> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal 

> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is 

> the 

> right time to initialize itself. 

> 

> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox 

> sho 

> uld th 

> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to 

> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

> 

> Regards, 

> Mike" 

> 

> 

> BR 

> ; 

> 

> 

> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> ================================================================== 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

> 

> 

> &g 

> t; 

> 

> 

> 

> 



What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in themodification of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not working:



Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the job 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in the diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this because lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when directly connected to the head unit?



Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?



-------------- Original message -------------- 

From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net 



 -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net 

 

 Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset 

 afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is 

 there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's 

 plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and 

 controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the 

 Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do... 

 

 -------------- Original message -------------- 

 From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE(at)MATRONICS.COM>

 

  -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

  

  Are you running the 7.0 version of t

 he Son

y Phatbox firmware? 

  

  Matt 

  

  

  At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: 

  -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net 

   

  Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as 

 suggested 

  and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 

 4000x 

  powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox. 

  Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since 

  there seemed to be a conflict of information. 

   

  Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to 

  part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone 

  wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm 

&gt

 ; 

 running out of options here. Can anybody help? 

   

  -------------- Original message -------------- 

  From: Matt Dralle 

   

   -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

   

   

   Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

   information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will 

  need* 

   the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color 

 coding 

   and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. 

  The 

   links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a 

  little 

   with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

   

   Wha

 t Matt

 Found on his cable: 

   

   http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

   

   What Phatbox Said: 

   

   http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf 

   

   Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little 

  different. 

   Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

   

   Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using 

   anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. 

   Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). 

   

   Matt Dralle 

   

   

   For reference, here is a message 

 from M

ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: 

   

   "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

   connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect 

 a 

   10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I 

 have 

   attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections 

  (SonyCable5.pdf). 

   

   The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the 

   PhatBox connector. 

   

   An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

   Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

   configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will 

  work 

  

 &g

t; with any multi-device configurations. 

   

   The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for 

   arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal 

   stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is 

  the 

   right time to initialize itself. 

   

   After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox 

   should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen 

 to 

   Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

   

   Regards, 

   Mike" 

   

   

   

   

   

   Matt G Drall

 e | Ma

tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

   925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

   http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

   

   

   

   

   

  Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as 

 suggested 

  and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 

 4000x 

  powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox. 

  Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since 

  there seemed to be a conflict of information. 

   

  Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to 

  part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone 



  &

gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm 

  running out of options here. Can anybody help? 

   

  -------------- Original message -------------- 

  From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com 

   

   -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

   

   

   Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

   information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will 

  need* 

   the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color 

 coding 

   and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. 

  The 

   links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a 

  little 

   with respect to colors and pin

  numbe

rs and what not: 

   

   What Matt Found on his cable: 

   

   http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

   

   What Phatbox Said: 

   

   http://www.m 

   atroni 

  cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf 

   

   Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little 

  different. 

   Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

   

   Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using 

   anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. 

   Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). 

   

   Matt Dralle 

   

   

   Fo

 r refe

rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: 

   

   "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

   connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 

   10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have 

   attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections 

  (SonyCable5.pdf). 

   

   The numbers can not be seen on the Son 

   y conn 

  ector. They can be seen on the 

   PhatBox connector. 

   

   An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

   Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

   configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will 

  work 

 &

 gt; &g

t; with any multi-device configurations. 

   

   The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for 

   arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal 

   stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is 

  the 

   right time to initialize itself. 

   

   After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox 

   should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to 

   Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

   

   Regards, 

   Mike" 

   

    

   BR 

  ; 

   

   

   Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |

  94551

 

   925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

   http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

   

   

   

   

  ================================================================== 

   

   

   

  

  

  

  Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

  925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

  http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

  

  

  

  

 

 Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset 

 afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is there, 

 and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's 

 pl

 ugged 

in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and 

 controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the Phatbox 

 is plugged in... I just don't know what to do... 

 

 -------------- Original message -------------- 

 From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com 

 

 -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE(at)MATRONICS.COM>

 

 Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware? 

 

 Matt 

 

 

 At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: 

 -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net 

 

 Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested 

 and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x 

 powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox. 

 Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm

 s inst

ead of 4.7k since 

 there seemed to be a conflict of information. 

 

 Anyone out there 

 with 

 a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to 

 part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone 

 wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm 

 running out of options here. Can anybody help? 

 

 -------------- Original message -------------- 

 From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE(at)MATRONICS.COM>

 

 -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

 

 

 Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

 information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will 

 need* 

 the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding 

 and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. 

 The 

 links are 

 for re

ference only and you might find 

 you n 

 eed to interpolate a 

 little 

 with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

 

 What Matt Found on his cable: 

 

 http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

 

 What Phatbox Said: 

 

 http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf 

 

 Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little 

 different. 

 Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

 

 Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using 

 anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. 

 Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). 

 

 Matt Dralle 

 

 g 

 t; 

 

 For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: 

&

 gt; <B

R> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

 connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 

 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have 

 attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections 

 (SonyCable5.pdf). 

 

 The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the 

 PhatBox connector. 

 

 An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

 Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

 configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will 

 work 

 with any multi-device conf 

 igurat 

 ions. 

 

 The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for 

 arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal 

 stays

  high 

(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is 

 the 

 right time to initialize itself. 

 

 After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox 

 should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to 

 Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

 

 Regards, 

 Mike" 

 

 

 

 

 

 Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

 

  

 gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

 

 

 

 

 

 Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested 

 and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x 

 powers down, the system resets and the C90only c

 ommuni

cates with the Phatbox. 

 Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since 

 there seemed to be a conflict of information. 

 

 Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to 

 part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone 

 wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm 

 running out of options here. Can anybody help? 

 

 -------------- Original message -------------- 

 From: Matt 

 Drall 

 e dralle(at)matronics.com 

 

 -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE(at)MATRONICS.COM>

 

 

 Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

 information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will 

 need* 

 the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding <

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; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. 

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 Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little 

 different. 

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 Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using 

 anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. 

 Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). 

 

 Matt Drall

 e 



 

 

 For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: 

 

 "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

 connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 

 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have 

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 ; 

 

 

 Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

 http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

 

 

 

 

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 Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

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 http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

 

 

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Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 4:00 am Post subject: Phatnoise Connection Problem - Help?!

I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect.  This last time I did not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.  



So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor could be the problem, huh?



-------------- Original message -------------- 

From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> 



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 

 Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am plugging 

 the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically 

 C90->4000->C30->Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox 

 directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but I 

 can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a 

 XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it...  

 

 Matt 

 

 

 At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: 

 >

 > 

 >What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the 

 only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the modification 

 of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for 

 me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not 

 working: 

 > 

 >Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the job 

 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in the 

 diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this because 

 lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure 

 if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when 

 directly connected to the head unit? 

 > 

 >Does this sound like something that could cause a problem? 

 > 

 >-------------- Original message -------------- 

 >From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net 

 > 

 >> 

 >> 

 >> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset 

 >> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is 

 >> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever 

 it's 

 >> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and 

 >> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the 

 >> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do... 

 >> 

 >> -------------- Original message -------------- 

 >> From: Matt Dralle 

 >> 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware? 

 >> > 

 >> > Matt 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: 

 >> > >

 >> > > 

 >> > >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as 

 >> suggested 

 >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 

 >> 4000x 

 >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the 

 Phatbox. 

 >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k 

 since 

 >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information. 

 >> > > 

 >> > >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing 

 to 

 >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone 

 >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm 

 >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help? 

 >> > > 

 >> > >-------------- Original message -------------- 

 >> > >From: Matt Dralle 

 >> > > 

 >> > >> 

 >> > >> 

 >> > >> 

 >> > >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

 >> > >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you 

 *will 

 >> > need* 

 >> > >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color 

 >> coding 

 >> > >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you 

 have. 

 >> > The 

 >> > >> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate 

 a 

 >> > little 

 >> > >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

 >> > >> 

 >> > >> What Matt Found on his cable: 

 >> > >> 

 >> > >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

 >> > >> 

 >> > >> What Phatbox Said: 

 >> > >> 

 >> > >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf 

 >> > >> 

 >> > >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little 

 >> > different. 

 >> > >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

 >> > >> 

 >> > >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are 

 using 

 >> > >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the 

 xdp-4000x. 

 >> > >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through 

 PhatManager). 

 >> > >> 

 >> > >> Matt Dralle 

 >> > >> 

 >> > >> 

 >> > >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back 

 when: 

 >> > >> 

 >> > >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

 >> > >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to 

 connect 

 >> a 

 >> > >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I 

 >> have 

 >> > >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections 

 >> > (SonyCable5.pdf). 

 >> > >> 

 >> > >> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on 

 the 

 >> > >> PhatBox connector. 

 >> > >> 

 >> > >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

 >> > >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

 >> > >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable 

 will 

 >> > work 

 >> > >> with any multi-device configurations. 

 >> > >> 

 >> > >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used 

 for 

 >> > >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the 

 signal 

 >> > >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when 

 is 

 >> > the 

 >> > >> right time to initialize itself. 

 >> > >> 

 >> > >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The 

 PhatBox 

 >> > >> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should 

 listen 

 >> to 

 >> > >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

 >> > >> 

 >> > >> Regards, 

 >> > >> Mike" 

 >> > >> 

 >> > >> 

 >> > >> 

 >> > >> 

 >> > >> 

 >> > >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

 >> > >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

 >> > >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

 >> > >> 

 >> > >> 

 >> > >> 

 >> > >> 

 >> > > 

 >> > >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as 

 >> suggested 

 >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 

 >> 4000x 

 >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the 

 Phatbox. 

 >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k 

 since 

 >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information. 

 >> > > 

 >> > >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing 

 to 

 >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone 

 >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm 

 >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help? 

 >> > > 

 >> > >-------------- Original message -------------- 

 >> > >From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com 

 >> > > 

 >> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

 >> > > 

 >> > > 

 >> > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

 >> > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will 

 >> > need* 

 >> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color 

 >> coding 

 >> > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you 

 have. 

 >> > The 

 >> > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a 

 >> > little 

 >> > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

 >> > > 

 >> > > What Matt Found on his cable: 

 >> > > 

 >> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

 >> > > 

 >> > > What Phatbox Said: 

 >> > > 

 >> > > http://www.m 

 >> > > atroni 

 >> > >cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf 

 >> > > 

 >> > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little 

 >> > different. 

 >> > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

 >> > > 

 >> > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using 

 >> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the 

 xdp-4000x. 

 >> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through 

 PhatManager). 

 >> > > 

 >> > > Matt Dralle 

 >> > > 

 >> > > 

 >> > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back 

 when: 

 >> > > 

 >> > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

 >> > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to 

 connect a 

 >> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I 

 have 

 >> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections 

 >> > (SonyCable5.pdf). 

 >> > > 

 >> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son 

 >> > > y conn 

 >> > >ector. They can be seen on the 

 >> > > PhatBox connector. 

 >> > > 

 >> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

 >> > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

 >> > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable 

 will 

 >> > work 

 >> > > with any multi-device configurations. 

 >> > > 

 >> > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for 

 >> > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the 

 signal 

 >> > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when 

 is 

 >> > the 

 >> > > right time to initialize itself. 

 >> > > 

 >> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The 

 PhatBox 

 >> > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen 

 to 

 >> > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

 >> > > 

 >> > > Regards, 

 >> > > Mike" 

 >> > > 

 >> > > < 

 >> > > BR>> 

 >> > >; 

 >> > > 

 >> > > 

 >> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

 >> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

 >> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

 >> > > 

 >> > > 

 >> > > 

 >> > >> 

 >> > >================================================================== 

 >> > > 

 >> > > 

 >> > > 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

 >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

 >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> 

 >> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset 

 >> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is 

 there, 

 >> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's 

 >> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and 

 >> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the 

 Phatbox 

 >> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do... 

 >> 

 >> -------------- Original message -------------- 

 >> From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com 

 >> 

 >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

 >> 

 >> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware? 

 >> 

 >> Matt 

 >> 

 >> 

 >> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: 

 >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net 

 >> 

 >> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as 

 suggested 

 >> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 

 4000x 

 >> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the 

 Phatbox. 

 >> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k 

 since 

 >> there seemed to be a conflict of information. 

 >> 

 >> Anyone out there 

 >> with 

 >> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to 

 >> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone 

 >> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm 

 >> running out of options here. Can anybody help? 

 >> 

 >> -------------- Original message -------------- 

 >> From: Matt Dralle 

 >> 

 >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

 >> 

 >> 

 >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

 >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will 

 >> need* 

 >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding 

 >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. 

 >> The 

 >> links are for reference only and you might find 

 >> you n 

 >> eed to interpolate a 

 >> little 

 >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

 >> 

 >> What Matt Found on his cable: 

 >> 

 >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

 >> 

 >> What Phatbox Said: 

 >> 

 >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf 

 >> 

 >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little 

 >> different. 

 >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

 >> 

 >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using 

 >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. 

 >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). 

 >> 

 >> Matt Dralle 

 >> 

 >> &g 

 >> t; 

 >> 

 >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: 

 >> 

 >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

 >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 

 >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have 

 >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections 

 >> (SonyCable5.pdf). 

 >> 

 >> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the 

 >> PhatBox connector. 

 >> 

 >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

 >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

 >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will 

 >> work 

 >> with any multi-device conf 

 >> igurat 

 >> ions. 

 >> 

 >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for 

 >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal 

 >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is 

 >> the 

 >> right time to initialize itself. 

 >> 

 >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox 

 >> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to 

 >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

 >> 

 >> Regards, 

 >> Mike" 

 >> 

 >> 

 >> 

 >> 

 >> 

 >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

 >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

 >> 

 >> & 

 >> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

 >> 

 >> 

 >> 

 >> 

 >> 

 >> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as 

 suggested 

 >> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 

 4000x 

 >> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox. 

 >> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k 

 since 

 >> there seemed to be a conflict of information. 

 >> 

 >> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to 

 >> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone 

 >> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm 

 >> running out of options here. Can anybody help? 

 >> 

 >> -------------- Original message -------------- 

 >> From: Matt 

 >> Drall 

 >> e dralle(at)matronics.com 

 >> 

 >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

 >> 

 >> 

 >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

 >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will 

 >> need* 

 >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding 

 >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. 

 >> The 

 >> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a 

 >> little 

 >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

 >> 

 >> What Matt Found on his cable: 

 >> 

 >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

 >> 

 >> What Phatbox Said: 

 >> 

 >> http://www.m 

 >> atroni 

 >> cs.com/xdp 

 >> 4000x/ 

 >> SonyCable5.pdf 

 >> 

 >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little 

 >> different. 

 >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

 >> 

 >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using 

 >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. 

 >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). 

 >> 

 >> Matt Dralle 

 >> 

 >> 

 >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: 

 >> 

 >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

 >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 

 >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have 

 >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti 

 >> ons > R> (SonyCable5.pdf). 

 >> 

 >> The numbers can not be seen on the Son 

 >> y conn 

 >> ector. They can be seen on the 

 >> PhatBox connector. 

 >> 

 >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

 >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

 >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will 

 >> work 

 >> with any multi-device configurations. 

 >> 

 >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for 

 >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal 

 >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is 

 >> the 

 >> right time to initialize itself. 

 >> 

 >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox 

 >> sho 

 >> uld th 

 >> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to 

 >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

 >> 

 >> Regards, 

 >> Mike" 

 >> 

 >> 

 >> BR 

 >> ; 

 >> 

 >> 

 >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

 >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

 >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

 >> 

 >> 

 >> 

 >> 

 >> ================================================================== 

 >> 

 >> 

 >> 

 >> 

 >> 

 >> 

 >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

 >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

 >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

 >> 

 >> 

 >> &g 

 >> t; 

 >> 

 >> 

 >> 

 >> 

 > 

 >What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the 

 only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in themodification 

 of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for me 

 wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not working: 

 > 

 >Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the job 

 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in the 

 diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this because 

 lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure if 

 that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when directly 

 connected to the head unit? 

 > 

 >Does this sound like something that could cause a problem? 

 > 

 >-------------- Original message -------------- 

 >From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net 

 > 

 > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net 

 > 

 > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset 

 > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is 

 > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever 

 it's 

 > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and 

 > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the 

 > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do... 

 > 

 > -------------- Original message -------------- 

 > From: Matt Dralle 

 > 

 > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

 > 

 > Are you running the 7.0 version of t 

 > he Son 

 >y Phatbox firmware? 

 > 

 > Matt 

 > 

 > 

 > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: 

 > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net 

 > 

 > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as 

 > suggested 

 > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 

 > 4000x 

 > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the 

 Phatbox. 

 > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k 

 since 

 > there seemed to be a conflict of information. 

 > 

 > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to 

 > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone 

 > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm 

 >> 

 > ; 

 > running out of options here. Can anybody help? 

 > 

 > -------------- Original message -------------- 

 > From: Matt Dralle 

 > 

 > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

 > 

 > 

 > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

 > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will 

 > need* 

 > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color 

 > coding 

 > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. 

 > The 

 > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a 

 > little 

 > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

 > 

 > Wha 

 > t Matt 

 > Found on his cable: 

 > 

 > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

 > 

 > What Phatbox Said: 

 > 

 > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf 

 > 

 > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little 

 > different. 

 > Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

 > 

 > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using 

 > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. 

 > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). 

 > 

 > Matt Dralle 

 > 

 > 

 > For reference, here is a message 

 > from M 

 >ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: 

 > 

 > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

 > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect 

 > a 

 > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I 

 > have 

 > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections 

 > (SonyCable5.pdf). 

 > 

 > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the 

 > PhatBox connector. 

 > 

 > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

 > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

 > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will 

 > work 

 > 

 > &g 

 >t; with any multi-device configurations. 

 > 

 > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for 

 > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal 

 > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is 

 > the 

 > right time to initialize itself. 

 > 

 > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox 

 > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen 

 > to 

 > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

 > 

 > Regards, 

 > Mike" 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > Matt G Drall 

 > e | Ma 

 >tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

 > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

 > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as 

 > suggested 

 > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 

 > 4000x 

 > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox. 

 > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k 

 since 

 > there seemed to be a conflict of information. 

 > 

 > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to 

 > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone 

 > 

 > & 

 >gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm 

 > running out of options here. Can anybody help? 

 > 

 > -------------- Original message -------------- 

 > From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com 

 > 

 > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

 > 

 > 

 > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

 > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will 

 > need* 

 > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color 

 > coding 

 > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. 

 > The 

 > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a 

 > little 

 > with respect to colors and pin 

 > numbe 

 >rs and what not: 

 > 

 > What Matt Found on his cable: 

 > 

 > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

 > 

 > What Phatbox Said: 

 > 

 > http://www.m 

 > atroni 

 > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf 

 > 

 > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little 

 > different. 

 > Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

 > 

 > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using 

 > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. 

 > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). 

 > 

 > Matt Dralle 

 > 

 > 

 > Fo 

 > r refe 

 >rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: 

 > 

 > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

 > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 

 > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have 

 > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections 

 > (SonyCable5.pdf). 

 > 

 > The numbers can not be seen on the Son 

 > y conn 

 > ector. They can be seen on the 

 > PhatBox connector. 

 > 

 > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

 > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

 > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will 

 > work 

 > & 

 > gt; &g 

 >t; with any multi-device configurations. 

 > 

 > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for 

 > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal 

 > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is 

 > the 

 > right time to initialize itself. 

 > 

 > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox 

 > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to 

 > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

 > 

 > Regards, 

 > Mike" 

 > 

 > 

 > BR 

 > ; 

 > 

 > 

 > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 

 > 94551 

 > 

 > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

 > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > ================================================================== 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

 > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

 > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset 

 > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is 

 there, 

 > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's 

 > pl 

 > ugged 

 >in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and 

 > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the 

 Phatbox 

 > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do... 

 > 

 > -------------- Original message -------------- 

 > From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com 

 > 

 > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

 > 

 > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware? 

 > 

 > Matt 

 > 

 > 

 > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: 

 > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net 

 > 

 > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as 

 suggested 

 > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 

 4000x 

 > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox. 

 > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm 

 > s inst 

 >ead of 4.7k since 

 > there seemed to be a conflict of information. 

 > 

 > Anyone out there 

 > with 

 > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to 

 > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone 

 > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm 

 > running out of options here. Can anybody help? 

 > 

 > -------------- Original message -------------- 

 > From: Matt Dralle 

 > 

 > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

 > 

 > 

 > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

 > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will 

 > need* 

 > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding 

 > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. 

 > The 

 > links are 

 > for re 

 >ference only and you might find 

 > you n 

 > eed to interpolate a 

 > little 

 > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

 > 

 > What Matt Found on his cable: 

 > 

 > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

 > 

 > What Phatbox Said: 

 > 

 > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf 

 > 

 > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little 

 > different. 

 > Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

 > 

 > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using 

 > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. 

 > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). 

 > 

 > Matt Dralle 

 > 

 > g 

 > t; 

 > 

 > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: 

 >& 

 > gt; > >R> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

 > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 

 > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have 

 > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections 

 > (SonyCable5.pdf). 

 > 

 > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the 

 > PhatBox connector. 

 > 

 > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

 > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

 > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will 

 > work 

 > with any multi-device conf 

 > igurat 

 > ions. 

 > 

 > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for 

 > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal 

 > stays 

 > high 

 >(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is 

 > the 

 > right time to initialize itself. 

 > 

 > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox 

 > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to 

 > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

 > 

 > Regards, 

 > Mike" 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

 > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

 > 

 > 

 > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as 

 suggested 

 > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 

 4000x 

 > powers down, the system resets and the C90only c 

 > ommuni 

 >cates with the Phatbox. 

 > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since 

 > there seemed to be a conflict of information. 

 > 

 > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to 

 > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone 

 > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm 

 > running out of options here. Can anybody help? 

 > 

 > -------------- Original message -------------- 

 > From: Matt 

 > Drall 

 > e dralle(at)matronics.com 

 > 

 > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

 > 

 > 

 > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

 > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will 

 > need* 

 > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding 

 < 

 > BR>> 

 >; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. 

 > The 

 > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a 

 > little 

 > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

 > 

 > What Matt Found on his cable: 

 > 

 > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

 > 

 > What Phatbox Said: 

 > 

 > http://www.m 

 > atroni 

 > cs.com/xdp 

 > 4000x/ 

 > SonyCable5.pdf 

 > 

 > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little 

 > different. 

 > Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

 > 

 > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using 

 > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. 

 > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). 

 > 

 > Matt Drall 

 > e 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: 

 > 

 > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

 > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 

 > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have 

 > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti 

 > ons > > R (SonyCable5.pdf). 

 > 

 > The numbers can not be seen on the Son 

 > y conn 

 > ector. They can be seen on the 

 > PhatBox connector. 

 > 

 > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

 > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

 > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will 

 > work 

 > with any multi-device configurations. 

 > 

 > The problem is with the bus master signal. I 

 > t is a 

 >n input. It is used for 

 > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal 

 > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is 

 > the 

 > right time to initialize itself. 

 > 

 > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox 

 > sho 

 > uld th 

 > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to 

 > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

 > 

 > Regards, 

 > Mike" 

 > 

 > 

 > BR 

 > ; 

 > 

 > 

 > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

 > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

 > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > ================================================================== 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 >> 

 > ; 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

 > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

 > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

 > 

 > 

 > g 

 > t; 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > matron 

 >ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 

 

 

 Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

 http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

 

 

 

 


	


I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I did not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try. 



So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor could be the problem, huh?



-------------- Original message -------------- 

From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com 



 -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE(at)MATRONICS.COM>

 

 

 Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am plugging 

 the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically 

 C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox 

 directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but I 

 can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a 

 XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it...  

 

 Matt 

 

 

 At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: 

 -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net 

  

 What do you kn

 ow abo

ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the 

 only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the modification 

 of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for 

 me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not 

 working: 

  

 Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the job 

 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in the 

 diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this because 

 lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure 

 if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when 

 directly connected to the head unit? 

  

 Does this sound like something that could cause a problem? 

  

 -------------- Original message -----------

 --- <B

R> From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net 

  

  -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net 

  

  Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset 

  afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is 

  there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever 

 it's 

  plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and 

  controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the 

  Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do... 

  

  -------------- Original message -------------- 

  From: Matt Dralle 

  

   -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

   

   Are you running the 7.0 version 

 of the

 Sony Phatbox firmware? 

   

   Matt 

   

   

   At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: 

   -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net 

    

   Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as 

  suggested 

   and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 

  4000x 

   powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the 

 Phatbox. 

   Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k 

 since 

   there seemed to be a conflict of information. 

    

   Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing 

 to 

 &

 gt;&gt

;  part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone 

   wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm 

   running out of options here. Can anybody help? 

    

   -------------- Original message -------------- 

   From: Matt Dralle 

    

    -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

    

    

    Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

    information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you 

 *will 

   need* 

    the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color 

  coding 

    and what 

 not mi

ght be different depending on the version of cable you 

 have. 

   The 

    links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate 

 a 

   little 

    with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

    

    What Matt Found on his cable: 

    

    http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

    

    What Phatbox Said: 

    

    http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf 

    

    Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little 

   different. 

    Use the drawing that matches best your in

 stalla

tion. 

    

    Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are 

 using 

    anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the 

 xdp-4000x. 

    Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through 

 PhatManager). 

    

    Matt Dralle 

    

    

    For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back 

 when: 

    

    "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

    connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to 

 connect 

  a 

    10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and

  orang

e (ground) wires. I 

  have 

    attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections 

   (SonyCable5.pdf). 

    

    The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on 

 the 

    PhatBox connector. 

    

    An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

    Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

    configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable 

 will 

   work 

    with any multi-device configurations. 

    

    The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used 

 for 

 &g

 t; &gt

;  arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the 

 signal 

    stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when 

 is 

   the 

    right time to initialize itself. 

    

    After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The 

 PhatBox 

    should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should 

 listen 

  to 

    Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

    

    Regards, 

    Mike" 

    

    

    

    

    

   &

 gt; Ma

tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

    925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

    http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

    

    

    

    

    

   Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as 

  suggested 

   and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 

  4000x 

   powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the 

 Phatbox. 

   Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k 

 since 

   there seemed to be a conflict of information. 

    

  &

 gt; &g

t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing 

 to 

   part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone 

   wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm 

   running out of options here. Can anybody help? 

    

   -------------- Original message -------------- 

   From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com 

    

    -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

    

    

    Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

    information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will 

   need* 

    the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue 

 wire. 

Note the color 

  coding 

    and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you 

 have. 

   The 

    links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a 

   little 

    with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

    

    What Matt Found on his cable: 

    

    http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

    

    What Phatbox Said: 

    

    http://www.m 

    atroni 

   cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf 

    

    Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little 

   d

 iffere

nt. 

    Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

    

    Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using 

    anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the 

 xdp-4000x. 

    Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through 

 PhatManager). 

    

    Matt Dralle 

    

    

    For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back 

 when: 

    

    "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

    connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to 

 connect a 

    10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and

  orang

e (ground) wires. I 

 have 

    attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections 

   (SonyCable5.pdf). 

    

    The numbers can not be seen on the Son 

    y conn 

   ector. They can be seen on the 

    PhatBox connector. 

    

    An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

    Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

    configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable 

 will 

   work 

    with any multi-device configurations. 

    

    The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for 

    a

 rbitra

tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the 

 signal 

    stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when 

 is 

   the 

    right time to initialize itself. 

    

    After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The 

 PhatBox 

    should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen 

 to 

    Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

    

    Regards, 

    Mike" 

    

     

    BR 

   ; 

    

    

    Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm

 ore | 

CA | 94551 

    925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

    http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

    

    

    

    

   ================================================================== 

    

    

    

   

   

   

   Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

   925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

   http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

   

   

   

   

  

  Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did 

 a comp

lete system reset 

  afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is 

 there, 

  and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's 

  plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and 

  controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the 

 Phatbox 

  is plugged in... I just don't know what to do... 

  

  -------------- Original message -------------- 

  From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com 

  

  -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

  

  Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware? 

  

  Matt 

  

  

  At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: 

  -- XDP4000X-List message posted 

 by: bo

bbybraun(at)comcast.net 

  

  Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as 

 suggested 

  and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 

 4000x 

  powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the 

 Phatbox. 

  Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k 

 since 

  there seemed to be a conflict of information. 

  

  Anyone out there 

  with 

  a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to 

  part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone 

  wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm 

  running out of options here. Can anybody help? 

  

  -------------- Original me

 ssage 

-------------- 

  From: Matt Dralle 

  

  -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

  

  

  Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

  information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will 

  need* 

  the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding 

  and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. 

  The 

  links are for reference only and you might find 

  you n 

  eed to interpolate a 

  little 

  with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

  

  What Matt Found on his cable: 

  

  http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

&g

 t; &gt

; 

  What Phatbox Said: 

  

  http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf 

  

  Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little 

  different. 

  Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

  

  Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using 

  anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. 

  Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). 

  

  Matt Dralle 

  

  g 

  t; 

  

  For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: 

  

  "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

  connections 

 are th

e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 

  10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have 

  attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections 

  (SonyCable5.pdf). 

  

  The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the 

  PhatBox connector. 

  

  An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

  Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

  configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will 

  work 

  with any multi-device conf 

  igurat 

  ions. 

  

  The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for 

  arbitration during device initializatio

 n. Wit

hout the pull-down the signal 

  stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is 

  the 

  right time to initialize itself. 

  

  After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox 

  should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to 

  Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

  

  Regards, 

  Mike" 

  

  

  

  

  

  Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

  925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

  

   

  gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

  

  

 &

 gt; <B

R>  

  

  Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as 

 suggested 

  and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 

 4000x 

  powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox. 

  Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k 

 since 

  there seemed to be a conflict of information. 

  

  Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to 

  part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone 

  wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm 

  running out of options here. Can anybody help? 

  

  -------------- Original message -------------- 

  From: Matt <

 BR>&gt

;  Drall 

  e dralle(at)matronics.com 

  

  -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

  

  

  Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

  information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will 

  need* 

  the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding 

  and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. 

  The 

  links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a 

  little 

  with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

  

  What Matt Found on his cable: 

  

  http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

  

  

 What P

hatbox Said: 

  

  http://www.m 

  atroni 

  cs.com/xdp 

  4000x/ 

  SonyCable5.pdf 

  

  Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little 

  different. 

  Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

  

  Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using 

  anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. 

  Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). 

  

  Matt Dralle 

  

  

  For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: 

  

  "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

  connections 

 are th

e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 

  10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have 

  attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti 

  ons  R (SonyCable5.pdf). 

  

  The numbers can not be seen on the Son 

  y conn 

  ector. They can be seen on the 

  PhatBox connector. 

  

  An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

  Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

  configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will 

  work 

  with any multi-device configurations. 

  

  The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for 

  arbitration during device i

 nitial

ization. Without the pull-down the signal 

  stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is 

  the 

  right time to initialize itself. 

  

  After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox 

  sho 

  uld th 

  en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to 

  Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

  

  Regards, 

  Mike" 

  

  

  BR 

  ; 

  

  

  Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

  925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

  http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

  

&

 gt; &g

t; 

  

  

  ================================================================== 

  

  

  

  

  

  

  Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

  925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

  http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

  

  

  g 

  t; 

  

  

  

  

  

 What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the 

 only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in themodification 

 of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for me 

 wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor 

 not wo

rking: 

  

 Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the job 

 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in the 

 diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this because 

 lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure if 

 that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when directly 

 connected to the head unit? 

  

 Does this sound like something that could cause a problem? 

  

 -------------- Original message -------------- 

 From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net 

  

  -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net 

  

  Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset 

  afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is 

&

 gt; &g

t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever 

 it's 

  plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and 

  controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the 

  Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do... 

  

  -------------- Original message -------------- 

  From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE(at)MATRONICS.COM>

  

  -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

  

  Are you running the 7.0 version of t 

  he Son 

 y Phatbox firmware? 

  

  Matt 

  

  

  At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:

Matt Dralle
Site Admin

Joined: 08 Nov 2005
Posts: 26477
Location: Livermore CA USA

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 9:58 am Post subject: Phatnoise Connection Problem - Help?!

Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher resistor and the reset line options.  Neither will hurt the equipment.  Well, unless you miss wire something... 



The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger slave on the bus.  Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB) has a class that it falls into.  Here are some Unilink device classes along with some examples:



        CD Changer:     CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300

        MD Changer:     MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)

        Tuners:         TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner

        Processors:     210, 4000x, internal Bass/Treble



On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for each device class on the UB.  Each device of the given class will respond with "I'm Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that particular device to use.  The address is a combination of the device class (high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (low nibble).



An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is powered up.  If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a protocol sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus address negotiation.



The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus.  The closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be.  Basically what happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus connectivity to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU.  On the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the stream, so negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.



The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD Changer class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged into the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.



That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with the 4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I wanted to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a while to figure that out.  I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the addressing that way, but I didn't really get an answer back.  I've written an embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100% compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it, surly Phatbox could.



If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here on my two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.



Matt

At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006  Tuesday, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  



I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect.  This last time I did not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.  



So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor could be the problem, huh?



-------------- Original message -------------- 

From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> 



> 

> 

> 

> Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am plugging 

> the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically 

> C90->4000->C30->Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox 

> directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but I 

> can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a 

> XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it...  

> 

> Matt 

> 

> 

> At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: 

> >

> > 

> >What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the 

> only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the modification 

> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for 

> me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not 

> working: 

> > 

> >Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the job 

> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in the 

> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this because 

> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure 

> if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when 

> directly connected to the head unit? 

> > 

> >Does this sound like something that could cause a problem? 

> > 

> >-------------- Original message -------------- 

> >From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net 

> > 

> >> 

> >> 

> >> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset 

> >> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is 

> >> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever 

> it's 

> >> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and 

> >> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the 

> >> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do... 

> >> 

> >> -------------- Original message -------------- 

> >> From: Matt Dralle 

> >> 

> >> > 

> >> > 

> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware? 

> >> > 

> >> > Matt 

> >> > 

> >> > 

> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: 

> >> > >

> >> > > 

> >> > >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as 

> >> suggested 

> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 

> >> 4000x 

> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the 

> Phatbox. 

> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k 

> since 

> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information. 

> >> > > 

> >> > >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing 

> to 

> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone 

> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm 

> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help? 

> >> > > 

> >> > >-------------- Original message -------------- 

> >> > >From: Matt Dralle 

> >> > > 

> >> > >> 

> >> > >> 

> >> > >> 

> >> > >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

> >> > >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you 

> *will 

> >> > need* 

> >> > >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color 

> >> coding 

> >> > >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you 

> have. 

> >> > The 

> >> > >> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate 

> a 

> >> > little 

> >> > >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

> >> > >> 

> >> > >> What Matt Found on his cable: 

> >> > >> 

> >> > >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

> >> > >> 

> >> > >> What Phatbox Said: 

> >> > >> 

> >> > >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf 

> >> > >> 

> >> > >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little 

> >> > different. 

> >> > >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

> >> > >> 

> >> > >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are 

> using 

> >> > >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the 

> xdp-4000x. 

> >> > >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through 

> PhatManager). 

> >> > >> 

> >> > >> Matt Dralle 

> >> > >> 

> >> > >> 

> >> > >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back 

> when: 

> >> > >> 

> >> > >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

> >> > >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to 

> connect 

> >> a 

> >> > >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I 

> >> have 

> >> > >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections 

> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf). 

> >> > >> 

> >> > >> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on 

> the 

> >> > >> PhatBox connector. 

> >> > >> 

> >> > >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

> >> > >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

> >> > >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable 

> will 

> >> > work 

> >> > >> with any multi-device configurations. 

> >> > >> 

> >> > >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used 

> for 

> >> > >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the 

> signal 

> >> > >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when 

> is 

> >> > the 

> >> > >> right time to initialize itself. 

> >> > >> 

> >> > >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The 

> PhatBox 

> >> > >> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should 

> listen 

> >> to 

> >> > >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

> >> > >> 

> >> > >> Regards, 

> >> > >> Mike" 

> >> > >> 

> >> > >> 

> >> > >> 

> >> > >> 

> >> > >> 

> >> > >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

> >> > >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

> >> > >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

> >> > >> 

> >> > >> 

> >> > >> 

> >> > >> 

> >> > > 

> >> > >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as 

> >> suggested 

> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 

> >> 4000x 

> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the 

> Phatbox. 

> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k 

> since 

> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information. 

> >> > > 

> >> > >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing 

> to 

> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone 

> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm 

> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help? 

> >> > > 

> >> > >-------------- Original message -------------- 

> >> > >From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com 

> >> > > 

> >> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

> >> > > 

> >> > > 

> >> > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

> >> > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will 

> >> > need* 

> >> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color 

> >> coding 

> >> > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you 

> have. 

> >> > The 

> >> > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a 

> >> > little 

> >> > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

> >> > > 

> >> > > What Matt Found on his cable: 

> >> > > 

> >> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

> >> > > 

> >> > > What Phatbox Said: 

> >> > > 

> >> > > http://www.m 

> >> > > atroni 

> >> > >cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf 

> >> > > 

> >> > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little 

> >> > different. 

> >> > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

> >> > > 

> >> > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using 

> >> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the 

> xdp-4000x. 

> >> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through 

> PhatManager). 

> >> > > 

> >> > > Matt Dralle 

> >> > > 

> >> > > 

> >> > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back 

> when: 

> >> > > 

> >> > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

> >> > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to 

> connect a 

> >> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I 

> have 

> >> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections 

> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf). 

> >> > > 

> >> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son 

> >> > > y conn 

> >> > >ector. They can be seen on the 

> >> > > PhatBox connector. 

> >> > > 

> >> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

> >> > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

> >> > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable 

> will 

> >> > work 

> >> > > with any multi-device configurations. 

> >> > > 

> >> > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for 

> >> > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the 

> signal 

> >> > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when 

> is 

> >> > the 

> >> > > right time to initialize itself. 

> >> > > 

> >> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The 

> PhatBox 

> >> > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen 

> to 

> >> > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

> >> > > 

> >> > > Regards, 

> >> > > Mike" 

> >> > > 

> >> > > < 

> >> > > BR>> 

> >> > >; 

> >> > > 

> >> > > 

> >> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

> >> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

> >> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

> >> > > 

> >> > > 

> >> > > 

> >> > >> 

> >> > >================================================================== 

> >> > > 

> >> > > 

> >> > > 

> >> > 

> >> > 

> >> > 

> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

> >> > 

> >> > 

> >> > 

> >> > 

> >> 

> >> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset 

> >> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is 

> there, 

> >> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's 

> >> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and 

> >> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the 

> Phatbox 

> >> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do... 

> >> 

> >> -------------- Original message -------------- 

> >> From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com 

> >> 

> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

> >> 

> >> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware? 

> >> 

> >> Matt 

> >> 

> >> 

> >> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: 

> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net 

> >> 

> >> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as 

> suggested 

> >> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 

> 4000x 

> >> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the 

> Phatbox. 

> >> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k 

> since 

> >> there seemed to be a conflict of information. 

> >> 

> >> Anyone out there 

> >> with 

> >> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to 

> >> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone 

> >> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm 

> >> running out of options here. Can anybody help? 

> >> 

> >> -------------- Original message -------------- 

> >> From: Matt Dralle 

> >> 

> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

> >> 

> >> 

> >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

> >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will 

> >> need* 

> >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding 

> >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. 

> >> The 

> >> links are for reference only and you might find 

> >> you n 

> >> eed to interpolate a 

> >> little 

> >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

> >> 

> >> What Matt Found on his cable: 

> >> 

> >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

> >> 

> >> What Phatbox Said: 

> >> 

> >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf 

> >> 

> >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little 

> >> different. 

> >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

> >> 

> >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using 

> >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. 

> >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). 

> >> 

> >> Matt Dralle 

> >> 

> >> &g 

> >> t; 

> >> 

> >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: 

> >> 

> >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

> >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 

> >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have 

> >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections 

> >> (SonyCable5.pdf). 

> >> 

> >> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the 

> >> PhatBox connector. 

> >> 

> >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

> >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

> >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will 

> >> work 

> >> with any multi-device conf 

> >> igurat 

> >> ions. 

> >> 

> >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for 

> >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal 

> >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is 

> >> the 

> >> right time to initialize itself. 

> >> 

> >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox 

> >> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to 

> >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

> >> 

> >> Regards, 

> >> Mike" 

> >> 

> >> 

> >> 

> >> 

> >> 

> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

> >> 

> >> & 

> >> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

> >> 

> >> 

> >> 

> >> 

> >> 

> >> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as 

> suggested 

> >> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 

> 4000x 

> >> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox. 

> >> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k 

> since 

> >> there seemed to be a conflict of information. 

> >> 

> >> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to 

> >> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone 

> >> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm 

> >> running out of options here. Can anybody help? 

> >> 

> >> -------------- Original message -------------- 

> >> From: Matt 

> >> Drall 

> >> e dralle(at)matronics.com 

> >> 

> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

> >> 

> >> 

> >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

> >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will 

> >> need* 

> >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding 

> >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. 

> >> The 

> >> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a 

> >> little 

> >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

> >> 

> >> What Matt Found on his cable: 

> >> 

> >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

> >> 

> >> What Phatbox Said: 

> >> 

> >> http://www.m 

> >> atroni 

> >> cs.com/xdp 

> >> 4000x/ 

> >> SonyCable5.pdf 

> >> 

> >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little 

> >> different. 

> >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

> >> 

> >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using 

> >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. 

> >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). 

> >> 

> >> Matt Dralle 

> >> 

> >> 

> >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: 

> >> 

> >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

> >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 

> >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have 

> >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti 

> >> ons > R> (SonyCable5.pdf). 

> >> 

> >> The numbers can not be seen on the Son 

> >> y conn 

> >> ector. They can be seen on the 

> >> PhatBox connector. 

> >> 

> >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

> >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

> >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will 

> >> work 

> >> with any multi-device configurations. 

> >> 

> >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for 

> >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal 

> >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is 

> >> the 

> >> right time to initialize itself. 

> >> 

> >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox 

> >> sho 

> >> uld th 

> >> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to 

> >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

> >> 

> >> Regards, 

> >> Mike" 

> >> 

> >> 

> >> BR 

> >> ; 

> >> 

> >> 

> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

> >> 

> >> 

> >> 

> >> 

> >> ================================================================== 

> >> 

> >> 

> >> 

> >> 

> >> 

> >> 

> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

> >> 

> >> 

> >> &g 

> >> t; 

> >> 

> >> 

> >> 

> >> 

> > 

> >What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the 

> only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in themodification 

> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for me 

> wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not working: 

> > 

> >Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the job 

> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in the 

> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this because 

> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure if 

> that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when directly 

> connected to the head unit? 

> > 

> >Does this sound like something that could cause a problem? 

> > 

> >-------------- Original message -------------- 

> >From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net 

> > 

> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net 

> > 

> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset 

> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is 

> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever 

> it's 

> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and 

> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the 

> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do... 

> > 

> > -------------- Original message -------------- 

> > From: Matt Dralle 

> > 

> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

> > 

> > Are you running the 7.0 version of t 

> > he Son 

> >y Phatbox firmware? 

> > 

> > Matt 

> > 

> > 

> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: 

> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net 

> > 

> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as 

> > suggested 

> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 

> > 4000x 

> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the 

> Phatbox. 

> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k 

> since 

> > there seemed to be a conflict of information. 

> > 

> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to 

> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone 

> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm 

> >> 

> > ; 

> > running out of options here. Can anybody help? 

> > 

> > -------------- Original message -------------- 

> > From: Matt Dralle 

> > 

> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

> > 

> > 

> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will 

> > need* 

> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color 

> > coding 

> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. 

> > The 

> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a 

> > little 

> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

> > 

> > Wha 

> > t Matt 

> > Found on his cable: 

> > 

> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

> > 

> > What Phatbox Said: 

> > 

> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf 

> > 

> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little 

> > different. 

> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

> > 

> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using 

> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. 

> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). 

> > 

> > Matt Dralle 

> > 

> > 

> > For reference, here is a message 

> > from M 

> >ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: 

> > 

> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect 

> > a 

> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I 

> > have 

> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections 

> > (SonyCable5.pdf). 

> > 

> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the 

> > PhatBox connector. 

> > 

> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will 

> > work 

> > 

> > &g 

> >t; with any multi-device configurations. 

> > 

> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for 

> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal 

> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is 

> > the 

> > right time to initialize itself. 

> > 

> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox 

> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen 

> > to 

> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

> > 

> > Regards, 

> > Mike" 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > Matt G Drall 

> > e | Ma 

> >tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as 

> > suggested 

> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 

> > 4000x 

> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox. 

> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k 

> since 

> > there seemed to be a conflict of information. 

> > 

> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to 

> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone 

> > 

> > & 

> >gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm 

> > running out of options here. Can anybody help? 

> > 

> > -------------- Original message -------------- 

> > From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com 

> > 

> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

> > 

> > 

> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will 

> > need* 

> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color 

> > coding 

> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. 

> > The 

> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a 

> > little 

> > with respect to colors and pin 

> > numbe 

> >rs and what not: 

> > 

> > What Matt Found on his cable: 

> > 

> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

> > 

> > What Phatbox Said: 

> > 

> > http://www.m 

> > atroni 

> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf 

> > 

> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little 

> > different. 

> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

> > 

> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using 

> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. 

> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). 

> > 

> > Matt Dralle 

> > 

> > 

> > Fo 

> > r refe 

> >rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: 

> > 

> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 

> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have 

> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections 

> > (SonyCable5.pdf). 

> > 

> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son 

> > y conn 

> > ector. They can be seen on the 

> > PhatBox connector. 

> > 

> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will 

> > work 

> > & 

> > gt; &g 

> >t; with any multi-device configurations. 

> > 

> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for 

> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal 

> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is 

> > the 

> > right time to initialize itself. 

> > 

> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox 

> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to 

> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

> > 

> > Regards, 

> > Mike" 

> > 

> > 

> > BR 

> > ; 

> > 

> > 

> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 

> > 94551 

> > 

> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > ================================================================== 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset 

> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is 

> there, 

> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's 

> > pl 

> > ugged 

> >in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and 

> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the 

> Phatbox 

> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do... 

> > 

> > -------------- Original message -------------- 

> > From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com 

> > 

> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

> > 

> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware? 

> > 

> > Matt 

> > 

> > 

> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: 

> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net 

> > 

> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as 

> suggested 

> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 

> 4000x 

> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox. 

> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm 

> > s inst 

> >ead of 4.7k since 

> > there seemed to be a conflict of information. 

> > 

> > Anyone out there 

> > with 

> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to 

> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone 

> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm 

> > running out of options here. Can anybody help? 

> > 

> > -------------- Original message -------------- 

> > From: Matt Dralle 

> > 

> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

> > 

> > 

> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will 

> > need* 

> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding 

> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. 

> > The 

> > links are 

> > for re 

> >ference only and you might find 

> > you n 

> > eed to interpolate a 

> > little 

> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

> > 

> > What Matt Found on his cable: 

> > 

> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

> > 

> > What Phatbox Said: 

> > 

> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf 

> > 

> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little 

> > different. 

> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

> > 

> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using 

> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. 

> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). 

> > 

> > Matt Dralle 

> > 

> > g 

> > t; 

> > 

> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: 

> >& 

> > gt; > >R> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 

> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have 

> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections 

> > (SonyCable5.pdf). 

> > 

> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the 

> > PhatBox connector. 

> > 

> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will 

> > work 

> > with any multi-device conf 

> > igurat 

> > ions. 

> > 

> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for 

> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal 

> > stays 

> > high 

> >(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is 

> > the 

> > right time to initialize itself. 

> > 

> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox 

> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to 

> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

> > 

> > Regards, 

> > Mike" 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

> > 

> > 

> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as 

> suggested 

> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 

> 4000x 

> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only c 

> > ommuni 

> >cates with the Phatbox. 

> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since 

> > there seemed to be a conflict of information. 

> > 

> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to 

> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone 

> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm 

> > running out of options here. Can anybody help? 

> > 

> > -------------- Original message -------------- 

> > From: Matt 

> > Drall 

> > e dralle(at)matronics.com 

> > 

> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

> > 

> > 

> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will 

> > need* 

> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding 

> < 

> > BR>> 

> >; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. 

> > The 

> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a 

> > little 

> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

> > 

> > What Matt Found on his cable: 

> > 

> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

> > 

> > What Phatbox Said: 

> > 

> > http://www.m 

> > atroni 

> > cs.com/xdp 

> > 4000x/ 

> > SonyCable5.pdf 

> > 

> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little 

> > different. 

> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

> > 

> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using 

> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. 

> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). 

> > 

> > Matt Drall 

> > e 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: 

> > 

> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 

> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have 

> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti 

> > ons > > R (SonyCable5.pdf). 

> > 

> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son 

> > y conn 

> > ector. They can be seen on the 

> > PhatBox connector. 

> > 

> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will 

> > work 

> > with any multi-device configurations. 

> > 

> > The problem is with the bus master signal. I 

> > t is a 

> >n input. It is used for 

> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal 

> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is 

> > the 

> > right time to initialize itself. 

> > 

> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox 

> > sho 

> > uld th 

> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to 

> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

> > 

> > Regards, 

> > Mike" 

> > 

> > 

> > BR 

> > ; 

> > 

> > 

> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > ================================================================== 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> >> 

> > ; 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

> > 

> > 

> > g 

> > t; 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > matron 

> >ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> 

> 

> 

> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

> 

> 

> 

> 



I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I did not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try. 



So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor could be the problem, huh?



-------------- Original message -------------- 

From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com 



 -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE(at)MATRONICS.COM>

 

 

 Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am plugging 

 the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically 

 C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox 

 directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but I 

 can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a 

 XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it...  

 

 Matt 

 

 

 At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: 

 -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net 

  

 What do you kn

 ow abo

ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the 

 only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the modification 

 of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for 

 me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not 

 working: 

  

 Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the job 

 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in the 

 diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this because 

 lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure 

 if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when 

 directly connected to the head unit? 

  

 Does this sound like something that could cause a problem? 

  

 -------------- Original message -----------

 --- <B

R> From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net 

  

  -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net 

  

  Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset 

  afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is 

  there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever 

 it's 

  plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and 

  controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the 

  Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do... 

  

  -------------- Original message -------------- 

  From: Matt Dralle 

  

   -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

   

   Are you running the 7.0 version 

 of the

 Sony Phatbox firmware? 

   

   Matt 

   

   

   At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: 

   -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net 

    

   Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as 

  suggested 

   and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 

  4000x 

   powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the 

 Phatbox. 

   Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k 

 since 

   there seemed to be a conflict of information. 

    

   Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing 

 to 

 &

 gt;&gt

;  part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone 

   wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm 

   running out of options here. Can anybody help? 

    

   -------------- Original message -------------- 

   From: Matt Dralle 

    

    -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

    

    

    Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

    information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you 

 *will 

   need* 

    the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color 

  coding 

    and what 

 not mi

ght be different depending on the version of cable you 

 have. 

   The 

    links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate 

 a 

   little 

    with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

    

    What Matt Found on his cable: 

    

    http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

    

    What Phatbox Said: 

    

    http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf 

    

    Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little 

   different. 

    Use the drawing that matches best your in

 stalla

tion. 

    

    Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are 

 using 

    anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the 

 xdp-4000x. 

    Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through 

 PhatManager). 

    

    Matt Dralle 

    

    

    For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back 

 when: 

    

    "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

    connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to 

 connect 

  a 

    10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and

  orang

e (ground) wires. I 

  have 

    attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections 

   (SonyCable5.pdf). 

    

    The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on 

 the 

    PhatBox connector. 

    

    An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

    Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

    configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable 

 will 

   work 

    with any multi-device configurations. 

    

    The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used 

 for 

 &g

 t; &gt

;  arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the 

 signal 

    stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when 

 is 

   the 

    right time to initialize itself. 

    

    After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The 

 PhatBox 

    should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should 

 listen 

  to 

    Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

    

    Regards, 

    Mike" 

    

    

    

    

    

   &

 gt; Ma

tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

    925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

    http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

    

    

    

    

    

   Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as 

  suggested 

   and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 

  4000x 

   powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the 

 Phatbox. 

   Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k 

 since 

   there seemed to be a conflict of information. 

    

  &

 gt; &g

t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing 

 to 

   part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone 

   wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm 

   running out of options here. Can anybody help? 

    

   -------------- Original message -------------- 

   From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com 

    

    -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

    

    

    Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

    information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will 

   need* 

    the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue 

 wire. 

Note the color 

  coding 

    and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you 

 have. 

   The 

    links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a 

   little 

    with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

    

    What Matt Found on his cable: 

    

    http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

    

    What Phatbox Said: 

    

    http://www.m 

    atroni 

   cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf 

    

    Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little 

   d

 iffere

nt. 

    Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

    

    Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using 

    anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the 

 xdp-4000x. 

    Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through 

 PhatManager). 

    

    Matt Dralle 

    

    

    For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back 

 when: 

    

    "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

    connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to 

 connect a 

    10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and

  orang

e (ground) wires. I 

 have 

    attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections 

   (SonyCable5.pdf). 

    

    The numbers can not be seen on the Son 

    y conn 

   ector. They can be seen on the 

    PhatBox connector. 

    

    An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

    Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

    configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable 

 will 

   work 

    with any multi-device configurations. 

    

    The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for 

    a

 rbitra

tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the 

 signal 

    stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when 

 is 

   the 

    right time to initialize itself. 

    

    After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The 

 PhatBox 

    should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen 

 to 

    Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

    

    Regards, 

    Mike" 

    

     

    BR 

   ; 

    

    

    Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm

 ore | 

CA | 94551 

    925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

    http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

    

    

    

    

   ================================================================== 

    

    

    

   

   

   

   Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

   925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

   http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

   

   

   

   

  

  Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did 

 a comp

lete system reset 

  afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is 

 there, 

  and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's 

  plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and 

  controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the 

 Phatbox 

  is plugged in... I just don't know what to do... 

  

  -------------- Original message -------------- 

  From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com 

  

  -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

  

  Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware? 

  

  Matt 

  

  

  At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: 

  -- XDP4000X-List message posted 

 by: bo

bbybraun(at)comcast.net 

  

  Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as 

 suggested 

  and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 

 4000x 

  powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the 

 Phatbox. 

  Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k 

 since 

  there seemed to be a conflict of information. 

  

  Anyone out there 

  with 

  a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to 

  part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone 

  wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm 

  running out of options here. Can anybody help? 

  

  -------------- Original me

 ssage 

-------------- 

  From: Matt Dralle 

  

  -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

  

  

  Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

  information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will 

  need* 

  the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding 

  and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. 

  The 

  links are for reference only and you might find 

  you n 

  eed to interpolate a 

  little 

  with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

  

  What Matt Found on his cable: 

  

  http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

&g

 t; &gt

; 

  What Phatbox Said: 

  

  http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf 

  

  Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little 

  different. 

  Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

  

  Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using 

  anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. 

  Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). 

  

  Matt Dralle 

  

  g 

  t; 

  

  For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: 

  

  "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

  connections 

 are th

e same but the colors 

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Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 3:29 pm Post subject: Phatnoise Connection Problem - Help?!

Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources, short of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from it split out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively.  Here's a list of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:



Phatbox (PB) plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x:  PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.

XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30:  PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.

XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30, Changer in Control 2 of C30:  PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.

XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30, XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30:  PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB. 

XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of XT-XM1:  PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.



Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into the system without the PB.



Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut down and ignored by the system.  Power is cut to all connected units on both sides besides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in.  Bottom line, I didn't learn a thing from any of this and am no further ahead in figuring out what the problem is...lol



Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system, but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things.  I'm going to have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line cut.  Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used but factory original PB cable from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than it was made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has been made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables that were made before the modification was put in place.  



I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been!  Ahhhh!

-------------- Original message -------------- 

From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> 



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher 

 resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment. Well, 

 unless you miss wire something...  

 

 The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger slave on 

 the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB) has a 

 class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with some 

 examples: 

 

 CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300 

 MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box) 

 Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner 

 Processors: 210, 4000x, internal Bass/Treble 

 

 On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for each 

 device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with "I'm 

 Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that 

 particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class 

 (high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (low nibble). 

 

 An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is powered 

 up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing 

 device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a protocol 

 sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus address 

 negotiation. 

 

 The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus. The 

 closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. Basically what 

 happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus connectivity 

 to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU. On 

 the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the stream, so 

 negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3. 

 

 The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD Changer 

 class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged into 

 the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain. 

 

 That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with the 

 4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I wanted 

 to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a while to 

 figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the 

 addressing that way, but I didn't really get an answer back. I've written an 

 embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible 

 microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100% 

 compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it, surly 

 Phatbox could. 

 

 If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here on my 

 two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else. 

 

 Matt 

 

 

 At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote: 

 >

 > 

 >I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried 

 using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I did 

 not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try. 

 > 

 >So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor 

 could be the problem, huh? 

 > 

 >-------------- Original message -------------- 

 >From: Matt Dralle 

 > 

 >> 

 >> 

 >> 

 >> Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am plugging 

 >> the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically 

 >> C90->4000->C30->Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox 

 >> directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but I 

 >> can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a 

 >> XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it...  

 >> 

 >> Matt 

 >> 

 >> 

 >> At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: 

 >> >

 >> > 

 >> >What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the 

 >> only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the 

 modification 

 >> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for 

 >> me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not 

 >> working: 

 >> > 

 >> >Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the 

 job 

 >> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in 

 the 

 >> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this 

 because 

 >> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure 

 >> if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when 

 >> directly connected to the head unit? 

 >> > 

 >> >Does this sound like something that could cause a problem? 

 >> > 

 >> >-------------- Original message -------------- 

 >> >From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net 

 >> > 

 >> >> 

 >> >> 

 >> >> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset 

 >> >> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is 

 >> >> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down 

 whenever 

 >> it's 

 >> >> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and 

 >> >> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the 

 >> >> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do... 

 >> >> 

 >> >> -------------- Original message -------------- 

 >> >> From: Matt Dralle 

 >> >> 

 >> >> > 

 >> >> > 

 >> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware? 

 >> >> > 

 >> >> > Matt 

 >> >> > 

 >> >> > 

 >> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: 

 >> >> > >

 >> >> > > 

 >> >> > >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as 

 >> >> suggested 

 >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in 

 my 

 >> >> 4000x 

 >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the 

 >> Phatbox. 

 >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k 

 >> since 

 >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information. 

 >> >> > > 

 >> >> > >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're 

 willing 

 >> to 

 >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that 

 someone 

 >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? 

 I'm 

 >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help? 

 >> >> > > 

 >> >> > >-------------- Original message -------------- 

 >> >> > >From: Matt Dralle 

 >> >> > > 

 >> >> > >> 

 >> >> > >> 

 >> >> > >> 

 >> >> > >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to 

 some 

 >> >> > >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you 

 >> *will 

 >> >> > need* 

 >> >> > >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the 

 color 

 >> >> coding 

 >> >> > >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you 

 >> have. 

 >> >> > The 

 >> >> > >> links are for reference only and you might find you need to 

 interpolate 

 >> a 

 >> >> > little 

 >> >> > >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

 >> >> > >> 

 >> >> > >> What Matt Found on his cable: 

 >> >> > >> 

 >> >> > >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

 >> >> > >> 

 >> >> > >> What Phatbox Said: 

 >> >> > >> 

 >> >> > >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf 

 >> >> > >> 

 >> >> > >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little 

 >> >> > different. 

 >> >> > >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

 >> >> > >> 

 >> >> > >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are 

 >> using 

 >> >> > >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the 

 >> xdp-4000x. 

 >> >> > >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through 

 >> PhatManager). 

 >> >> > >> 

 >> >> > >> Matt Dralle 

 >> >> > >> 

 >> >> > >> 

 >> >> > >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back 

 >> when: 

 >> >> > >> 

 >> >> > >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

 >> >> > >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to 

 >> connect 

 >> >> a 

 >> >> > >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. 

 I 

 >> >> have 

 >> >> > >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections 

 >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf). 

 >> >> > >> 

 >> >> > >> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen 

 on 

 >> the 

 >> >> > >> PhatBox connector. 

 >> >> > >> 

 >> >> > >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head 

 unit. 

 >> >> > >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

 >> >> > >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable 

 >> will 

 >> >> > work 

 >> >> > >> with any multi-device configurations. 

 >> >> > >> 

 >> >> > >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used 

 >> for 

 >> >> > >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the 

 >> signal 

 >> >> > >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing 

 when 

 >> is 

 >> >> > the 

 >> >> > >> right time to initialize itself. 

 >> >> > >> 

 >> >> > >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The 

 >> PhatBox 

 >> >> > >> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should 

 >> listen 

 >> >> to 

 >> >> > >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

 >> >> > >> 

 >> >> > >> Regards, 

 >> >> > >> Mike" 

 >> >> > >> 

 >> >> > >> 

 >> >> > >> 

 >> >> > >> 

 >> >> > >> 

 >> >> > >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

 >> >> > >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

 >> >> > >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

 >> >> > >> 

 >> >> > >> 

 >> >> > >> 

 >> >> > >> 

 >> >> > > 

 >> >> > >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as 

 >> >> suggested 

 >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in 

 my 

 >> >> 4000x 

 >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the 

 >> Phatbox. 

 >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k 

 >> since 

 >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information. 

 >> >> > > 

 >> >> > >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're 

 willing 

 >> to 

 >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that 

 someone 

 >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? 

 I'm 

 >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help? 

 >> >> > > 

 >> >> > >-------------- Original message -------------- 

 >> >> > >From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com 

 >> >> > > 

 >> >> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

 >> >> > > 

 >> >> > > 

 >> >> > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to 

 some 

 >> >> > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you 

 *will 

 >> >> > need* 

 >> >> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color 

 >> >> coding 

 >> >> > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you 

 >> have. 

 >> >> > The 

 >> >> > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to 

 interpolate a 

 >> >> > little 

 >> >> > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

 >> >> > > 

 >> >> > > What Matt Found on his cable: 

 >> >> > > 

 >> >> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

 >> >> > > 

 >> >> > > What Phatbox Said: 

 >> >> > > 

 >> >> > > http://www.m 

 >> >> > > atroni 

 >> >> > >cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf 

 >> >> > > 

 >> >> > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little 

 >> >> > different. 

 >> >> > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

 >> >> > > 

 >> >> > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are 

 using 

 >> >> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the 

 >> xdp-4000x. 

 >> >> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through 

 >> PhatManager). 

 >> >> > > 

 >> >> > > Matt Dralle 

 >> >> > > 

 >> >> > > 

 >> >> > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back 

 >> when: 

 >> >> > > 

 >> >> > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

 >> >> > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to 

 >> connect a 

 >> >> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. 

 I 

 >> have 

 >> >> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections 

 >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf). 

 >> >> > > 

 >> >> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son 

 >> >> > > y conn 

 >> >> > >ector. They can be seen on the 

 >> >> > > PhatBox connector. 

 >> >> > > 

 >> >> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head 

 unit. 

 >> >> > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

 >> >> > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable 

 >> will 

 >> >> > work 

 >> >> > > with any multi-device configurations. 

 >> >> > > 

 >> >> > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used 

 for 

 >> >> > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the 

 >> signal 

 >> >> > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing 

 when 

 >> is 

 >> >> > the 

 >> >> > > right time to initialize itself. 

 >> >> > > 

 >> >> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The 

 >> PhatBox 

 >> >> > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should 

 listen 

 >> to 

 >> >> > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

 >> >> > > 

 >> >> > > Regards, 

 >> >> > > Mike" 

 >> >> > > 

 >> >> > > < 

 >> >> > > BR>> 

 >> >> > >; 

 >> >> > > 

 >> >> > > 

 >> >> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

 >> >> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

 >> >> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

 >> >> > > 

 >> >> > > 

 >> >> > > 

 >> >> > >> 

 >> >> > >================================================================== 

 >> >> > > 

 >> >> > > 

 >> >> > > 

 >> >> > 

 >> >> > 

 >> >> > 

 >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

 >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

 >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

 >> >> > 

 >> >> > 

 >> >> > 

 >> >> > 

 >> >> 

 >> >> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset 

 >> >> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is 

 >> there, 

 >> >> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's 

 >> >> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and 

 >> >> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the 

 >> Phatbox 

 >> >> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do... 

 >> >> 

 >> >> -------------- Original message -------------- 

 >> >> From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com 

 >> >> 

 >> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

 >> >> 

 >> >> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware? 

 >> >> 

 >> >> Matt 

 >> >> 

 >> >> 

 >> >> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: 

 >> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net 

 >> >> 

 >> >> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as 

 >> suggested 

 >> >> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 

 >> 4000x 

 >> >> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the 

 >> Phatbox. 

 >> >> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k 

 >> since 

 >> >> there seemed to be a conflict of information. 

 >> >> 

 >> >> Anyone out there 

 >> >> with 

 >> >> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to 

 >> >> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that 

 someone 

 >> >> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm 

 >> >> running out of options here. Can anybody help? 

 >> >> 

 >> >> -------------- Original message -------------- 

 >> >> From: Matt Dralle 

 >> >> 

 >> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

 >> >> 

 >> >> 

 >> >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

 >> >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will 

 >> >> need* 

 >> >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color 

 coding 

 >> >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you 

 have. 

 >> >> The 

 >> >> links are for reference only and you might find 

 >> >> you n 

 >> >> eed to interpolate a 

 >> >> little 

 >> >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

 >> >> 

 >> >> What Matt Found on his cable: 

 >> >> 

 >> >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

 >> >> 

 >> >> What Phatbox Said: 

 >> >> 

 >> >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf 

 >> >> 

 >> >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little 

 >> >> different. 

 >> >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

 >> >> 

 >> >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using 

 >> >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the 

 xdp-4000x. 

 >> >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through 

 PhatManager). 

 >> >> 

 >> >> Matt Dralle 

 >> >> 

 >> >> &g 

 >> >> t; 

 >> >> 

 >> >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: 

 >> >> 

 >> >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

 >> >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect 

 a 

 >> >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I 

 have 

 >> >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections 

 >> >> (SonyCable5.pdf). 

 >> >> 

 >> >> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the 

 >> >> PhatBox connector. 

 >> >> 

 >> >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

 >> >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

 >> >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will 

 >> >> work 

 >> >> with any multi-device conf 

 >> >> igurat 

 >> >> ions. 

 >> >> 

 >> >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for 

 >> >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal 

 >> >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when 

 is 

 >> >> the 

 >> >> right time to initialize itself. 

 >> >> 

 >> >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The 

 PhatBox 

 >> >> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen 

 to 

 >> >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

 >> >> 

 >> >> Regards, 

 >> >> Mike" 

 >> >> 

 >> >> 

 >> >> 

 >> >> 

 >> >> 

 >> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

 >> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

 >> >> 

 >> >> & 

 >> >> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

 >> >> 

 >> >> 

 >> >> 

 >> >> 

 >> >> 

 >> >> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as 

 >> suggested 

 >> >> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 

 >> 4000x 

 >> >> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the 

 Phatbox. 

 >> >> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k 

 >> since 

 >> >> there seemed to be a conflict of information. 

 >> >> 

 >> >> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing 

 to 

 >> >> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that 

 someone 

 >> >> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm 

 >> >> running out of options here. Can anybody help? 

 >> >> 

 >> >> -------------- Original message -------------- 

 >> >> From: Matt 

 >> >> Drall 

 >> >> e dralle(at)matronics.com 

 >> >> 

 >> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

 >> >> 

 >> >> 

 >> >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

 >> >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will 

 >> >> need* 

 >> >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color 

 coding 

 >> >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you 

 have. 

 >> >> The 

 >> >> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a 

 >> >> little 

 >> >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

 >> >> 

 >> >> What Matt Found on his cable: 

 >> >> 

 >> >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

 >> >> 

 >> >> What Phatbox Said: 

 >> >> 

 >> >> http://www.m 

 >> >> atroni 

 >> >> cs.com/xdp 

 >> >> 4000x/ 

 >> >> SonyCable5.pdf 

 >> >> 

 >> >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little 

 >> >> different. 

 >> >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

 >> >> 

 >> >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using 

 >> >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the 

 xdp-4000x. 

 >> >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through 

 PhatManager). 

 >> >> 

 >> >> Matt Dralle 

 >> >> 

 >> >> 

 >> >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: 

 >> >> 

 >> >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

 >> >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect 

 a 

 >> >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I 

 have 

 >> >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti 

 >> >> ons > R> (SonyCable5.pdf). 

 >> >> 

 >> >> The numbers can not be seen on the Son 

 >> >> y conn 

 >> >> ector. They can be seen on the 

 >> >> PhatBox connector. 

 >> >> 

 >> >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

 >> >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

 >> >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will 

 >> >> work 

 >> >> with any multi-device configurations. 

 >> >> 

 >> >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for 

 >> >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal 

 >> >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when 

 is 

 >> >> the 

 >> >> right time to initialize itself. 

 >> >> 

 >> >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The 

 PhatBox 

 >> >> sho 

 >> >> uld th 

 >> >> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to 

 >> >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

 >> >> 

 >> >> Regards, 

 >> >> Mike" 

 >> >> 

 >> >> 

 >> >> BR 

 >> >> ; 

 >> >> 

 >> >> 

 >> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

 >> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

 >> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

 >> >> 

 >> >> 

 >> >> 

 >> >> 

 >> >> ================================================================== 

 >> >> 

 >> >> 

 >> >> 

 >> >> 

 >> >> 

 >> >> 

 >> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

 >> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

 >> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

 >> >> 

 >> >> 

 >> >> &g 

 >> >> t; 

 >> >> 

 >> >> 

 >> >> 

 >> >> 

 >> > 

 >> >What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the 

 >> only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in 

 themodification 

 >> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for 

 me 

 >> wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not 

 working: 

 >> > 

 >> >Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the 

 job 

 >> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in 

 the 

 >> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this 

 because 

 >> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure 

 if 

 >> that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when 

 directly 

 >> connected to the head unit? 

 >> > 

 >> >Does this sound like something that could cause a problem? 

 >> > 

 >> >-------------- Original message -------------- 

 >> >From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net 

 >> > 

 >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net 

 >> > 

 >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset 

 >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is 

 >> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever 

 >> it's 

 >> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and 

 >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the 

 >> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do... 

 >> > 

 >> > -------------- Original message -------------- 

 >> > From: Matt Dralle 

 >> > 

 >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

 >> > 

 >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of t 

 >> > he Son 

 >> >y Phatbox firmware? 

 >> > 

 >> > Matt 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: 

 >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net 

 >> > 

 >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as 

 >> > suggested 

 >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 

 >> > 4000x 

 >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the 

 >> Phatbox. 

 >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k 

 >> since 

 >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information. 

 >> > 

 >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to 

 >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone 

 >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm 

 >> >> 

 >> > ; 

 >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help? 

 >> > 

 >> > -------------- Original message -------------- 

 >> > From: Matt Dralle 

 >> > 

 >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

 >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will 

 >> > need* 

 >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color 

 >> > coding 

 >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. 

 >> > The 

 >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a 

 >> > little 

 >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

 >> > 

 >> > Wha 

 >> > t Matt 

 >> > Found on his cable: 

 >> > 

 >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

 >> > 

 >> > What Phatbox Said: 

 >> > 

 >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf 

 >> > 

 >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little 

 >> > different. 

 >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

 >> > 

 >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using 

 >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. 

 >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). 

 >> > 

 >> > Matt Dralle 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > For reference, here is a message 

 >> > from M 

 >> >ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: 

 >> > 

 >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

 >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect 

 >> > a 

 >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I 

 >> > have 

 >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections 

 >> > (SonyCable5.pdf). 

 >> > 

 >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the 

 >> > PhatBox connector. 

 >> > 

 >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

 >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

 >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will 

 >> > work 

 >> > 

 >> > &g 

 >> >t; with any multi-device configurations. 

 >> > 

 >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for 

 >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal 

 >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is 

 >> > the 

 >> > right time to initialize itself. 

 >> > 

 >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox 

 >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen 

 >> > to 

 >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

 >> > 

 >> > Regards, 

 >> > Mike" 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > Matt G Drall 

 >> > e | Ma 

 >> >tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

 >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

 >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as 

 >> > suggested 

 >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 

 >> > 4000x 

 >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the 

 Phatbox. 

 >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k 

 >> since 

 >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information. 

 >> > 

 >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to 

 >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone 

 >> > 

 >> > & 

 >> >gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? 

 I'm 

 >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help? 

 >> > 

 >> > -------------- Original message -------------- 

 >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com 

 >> > 

 >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

 >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will 

 >> > need* 

 >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color 

 >> > coding 

 >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. 

 >> > The 

 >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a 

 >> > little 

 >> > with respect to colors and pin 

 >> > numbe 

 >> >rs and what not: 

 >> > 

 >> > What Matt Found on his cable: 

 >> > 

 >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

 >> > 

 >> > What Phatbox Said: 

 >> > 

 >> > http://www.m 

 >> > atroni 

 >> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf 

 >> > 

 >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little 

 >> > different. 

 >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

 >> > 

 >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using 

 >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. 

 >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). 

 >> > 

 >> > Matt Dralle 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > Fo 

 >> > r refe 

 >> >rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: 

 >> > 

 >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

 >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect 

 a 

 >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I 

 have 

 >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections 

 >> > (SonyCable5.pdf). 

 >> > 

 >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son 

 >> > y conn 

 >> > ector. They can be seen on the 

 >> > PhatBox connector. 

 >> > 

 >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

 >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

 >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will 

 >> > work 

 >> > & 

 >> > gt; &g 

 >> >t; with any multi-device configurations. 

 >> > 

 >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for 

 >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal 

 >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is 

 >> > the 

 >> > right time to initialize itself. 

 >> > 

 >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox 

 >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen 

 to 

 >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

 >> > 

 >> > Regards, 

 >> > Mike" 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > BR 

 >> > ; 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 

 >> > 94551 

 >> > 

 >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

 >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > ================================================================== 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

 >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

 >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset 

 >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is 

 >> there, 

 >> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's 

 >> > pl 

 >> > ugged 

 >> >in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and 

 >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the 

 >> Phatbox 

 >> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do... 

 >> > 

 >> > -------------- Original message -------------- 

 >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com 

 >> > 

 >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

 >> > 

 >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware? 

 >> > 

 >> > Matt 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: 

 >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net 

 >> > 

 >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as 

 >> suggested 

 >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 

 >> 4000x 

 >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the 

 Phatbox. 

 >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm 

 >> > s inst 

 >> >ead of 4.7k since 

 >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information. 

 >> > 

 >> > Anyone out there 

 >> > with 

 >> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to 

 >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone 

 >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm 

 >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help? 

 >> > 

 >> > -------------- Original message -------------- 

 >> > From: Matt Dralle 

 >> > 

 >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

 >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will 

 >> > need* 

 >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color 

 coding 

 >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. 

 >> > The 

 >> > links are 

 >> > for re 

 >> >ference only and you might find 

 >> > you n 

 >> > eed to interpolate a 

 >> > little 

 >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

 >> > 

 >> > What Matt Found on his cable: 

 >> > 

 >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

 >> > 

 >> > What Phatbox Said: 

 >> > 

 >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf 

 >> > 

 >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little 

 >> > different. 

 >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

 >> > 

 >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using 

 >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. 

 >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). 

 >> > 

 >> > Matt Dralle 

 >> > 

 >> > g 

 >> > t; 

 >> > 

 >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: 

 >> >& 

 >> > gt; > >R> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. 

 The 

 >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect 

 a 

 >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I 

 have 

 >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections 

 >> > (SonyCable5.pdf). 

 >> > 

 >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the 

 >> > PhatBox connector. 

 >> > 

 >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

 >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

 >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will 

 >> > work 

 >> > with any multi-device conf 

 >> > igurat 

 >> > ions. 

 >> > 

 >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for 

 >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal 

 >> > stays 

 >> > high 

 >> >(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is 

 >> > the 

 >> > right time to initialize itself. 

 >> > 

 >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox 

 >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen 

 to 

 >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

 >> > 

 >> > Regards, 

 >> > Mike" 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

 >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as 

 >> suggested 

 >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 

 >> 4000x 

 >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only c 

 >> > ommuni 

 >> >cates with the Phatbox. 

 >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k 

 since 

 >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information. 

 >> > 

 >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to 

 >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone 

 >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm 

 >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help? 

 >> > 

 >> > -------------- Original message -------------- 

 >> > From: Matt 

 >> > Drall 

 >> > e dralle(at)matronics.com 

 >> > 

 >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

 >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will 

 >> > need* 

 >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color 

 coding 

 >> < 

 >> > BR>> 

 >> >; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you 

 have. 

 >> > The 

 >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a 

 >> > little 

 >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

 >> > 

 >> > What Matt Found on his cable: 

 >> > 

 >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

 >> > 

 >> > What Phatbox Said: 

 >> > 

 >> > http://www.m 

 >> > atroni 

 >> > cs.com/xdp 

 >> > 4000x/ 

 >> > SonyCable5.pdf 

 >> > 

 >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little 

 >> > different. 

 >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation. 

 >> > 

 >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using 

 >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. 

 >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). 

 >> > 

 >> > Matt Drall 

 >> > e 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: 

 >> > 

 >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

 >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect 

 a 

 >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I 

 have 

 >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti 

 >> > ons > > R (SonyCable5.pdf). 

 >> > 

 >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son 

 >> > y conn 

 >> > ector. They can be seen on the 

 >> > PhatBox connector. 

 >> > 

 >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. 

 >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device 

 >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will 

 >> > work 

 >> > with any multi-device configurations. 

 >> > 

 >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. I 

 >> > t is a 

 >> >n input. It is used for 

 >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal 

 >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is 

 >> > the 

 >> > right time to initialize itself. 

 >> > 

 >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox 

 >> > sho 

 >> > uld th 

 >> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to 

 >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. 

 >> > 

 >> > Regards, 

 >> > Mike" 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > BR 

 >> > ; 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

 >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

 >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > ================================================================== 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> >> 

 >> > ; 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

 >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

 >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > g 

 >> > t; 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > matron 

 >> >ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> > 

 >> 

 >> 

 >> 

 >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 

 >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email 

 >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft 

 >> 

 >> 

 >> 

 >> 

 > 

 >I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried 

 using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I did 

 not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try. 

 > 

 >So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor 

 could be the problem, huh? 

 > 

 >-------------- Original message -------------- 

 >From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com 

 > 

 > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

 > 

 > 

 > Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am plugging 

 > the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically 

 > C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox 

 > directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but I 

 > can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a 

 > XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it...  

 > 

 > Matt 

 > 

 > 

 > At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: 

 > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net 

 > 

 > What do you kn 

 > ow abo 

 >ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the 

 > only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the 

 modification 

 > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for 

 > me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not 

 > working: 

 > 

 > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the job 

 > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in 

 the 

 > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this because 

 > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure 

 > if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when 

 > directly connected to the head unit? 

 > 

 > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem? 

 > 

 > -------------- Original message ----------- 

 > --- > >R> From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net 

 > 

 > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net 

 > 

 > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset 

 > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is 

 > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever 

 > it's 

 > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and 

 > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the 

 > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do... 

 > 

 > -------------- Original message -------------- 

 > From: Matt Dralle 

 > 

 > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

 > 

 > Are you running the 7.0 version 

 > of the 

 > Sony Phatbox firmware? 

 > 

 > Matt 

 > 

 > 

 > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: 

 > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net 

 > 

 > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as 

 > suggested 

 > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 

 > 4000x 

 > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the 

 > Phatbox. 

 > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k 

 > since 

 > there seemed to be a conflict of information. 

 > 

 > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing 

 > to 

 > & 

 > gt;> 

 >; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone 

 > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm 

 > running out of options here. Can anybody help? 

 > 

 > -------------- Original message -------------- 

 > From: Matt Dralle 

 > 

 > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle 

 > 

 > 

 > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some 

 > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you 

 > *will 

 > need* 

 > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color 

 > coding 

 > and what 

 > not mi 

 >ght be different depending on the version of cable you 

 > have. 

 > The 

 > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate 

 > a 

 > little 

 > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: 

 > 

 > What Matt Found on his cable: 

 > 

 > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf 

 > 

 > What Phatbox Said: 

 > 

 > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf 

 > 

 > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little 

 > different. 

 > Use the drawing that matches best your in 

 > stalla 

 >tion. 

 > 

 > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are 

 > using 

 > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the 

 > xdp-4000x. 

 > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through 

 > PhatManager). 

 > 

 > Matt Dralle 

 > 

 > 

 > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back 

 > when: 

 > 

 > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The 

 > connections are the same but the colors 

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