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Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com
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I’ve put it off as long as I can. Now I’m getting ready to write the check for the Andair Fuel Valve.
Ordering from the Andair site, you can customize the valve with the appropriate fittings. Which leads me to the first question.
<![if !supportLists]>1) <![endif]>Are most people using the ” NPT (FEMALE) fittings on all 3 connections of the FS20x7?
<![if !supportLists]>a. <![endif]>This creates a part number of FS20f7F.
Finally I’m going to customize the face plate. This leads me into the next question.
<![if !supportLists]>2) <![endif]>Van’s says the fuel capacity of the RV-10 is 60 gallons 30/30. Is this the usable fuel or the total capacity?
<![if !supportLists]>a. <![endif]>I’d like to placard usable fuel on the selector.
Thanks,
Phil
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Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com
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I also see a 3rd question now…….
I thought the extension would be a pretty simple choice between 6” or 12”, but I was wrong.
Is there any need for Universal Joints at the Valve or Handle?
I doubt it. It should be a straight shot up through the tunnel cover.
Finally here is a checkbox for a “Coupler Joint”, but there is no description of what it is…
Any ideas?
Phil
From: Perry, Phil
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 9:55 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Fuel Related Items
I’ve put it off as long as I can. Now I’m getting ready to write the check for the Andair Fuel Valve.
Ordering from the Andair site, you can customize the valve with the appropriate fittings. Which leads me to the first question.
<![if !supportLists]>1) <![endif]>Are most people using the ” NPT (FEMALE) fittings on all 3 connections of the FS20x7?
<![if !supportLists]>a. <![endif]>This creates a part number of FS20f7F.
Finally I’m going to customize the face plate. This leads me into the next question.
<![if !supportLists]>2) <![endif]>Van’s says the fuel capacity of the RV-10 is 60 gallons 30/30. Is this the usable fuel or the total capacity?
<![if !supportLists]>a. <![endif]>I’d like to placard usable fuel on the selector.
Thanks,
Phil
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drfred(at)suddenlinkmail.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 8:56 am Post subject: Fuel Related Items |
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Phil;
I've been able to use the tank until it is dry. (just one at a time 
). So your usable fuel would be 30 gal. and it is the total capacity.
I can't remember which model valve I have.
Dr Fred
Perry, Phil wrote:
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Ive put it off as long as I can. Now Im getting ready to write the
check for the Andair Fuel Valve.
Ordering from the Andair site, you can customize the valve with the
appropriate fittings. Which leads me to the first question.
1) Are most people using the NPT (FEMALE) fittings on all 3
connections of the FS20x7?
a. This creates a part number of FS20f7F.
Finally Im going to customize the face plate. This leads me into the
next question.
2) Vans says the fuel capacity of the RV-10 is 60 gallons 30/30. Is
this the usable fuel or the total capacity?
a. Id like to placard usable fuel on the selector.
Thanks,
Phil
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:54 am Post subject: Fuel Related Items |
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The RV-10 will hold about 61 gallons total I think if you
really stuff it in to the brim, but call it 60 as
advertised.
When it comes to useable fuel, almost ALL fuel is useable.
I've flown each tank until dry (on separate test flights
done directly over the airport), and both tanks when I
sumped them after it was out of fuel, had only about
1 cup or so that would come out. Certainly far less than
a quart. So consider that if you fill it pretty full,
you're looking at 60 gallons with 60 useable, if you don't
count the extra .5 gallons that you can squeeze into the
tank.
As for the universal joints, it depends on your setup.
Mine isn't perfectly straight, and it still works
ok with a slight angle between the valve and handle.
If you mount the valve so it's level to the tunnel
cover and directly below the hole, you won't need a
universal. There is a little slop to it for
forgiveness.
If you order a 12" extension, you will likely use
about half of it. I can't remember if I had less
than 6" left, or more than 6" left. But, I'd order
12" either way. That way if you mess up the cut,
you may end up with some excess to play with.
Ordering the extensions is enough of a pain coming
from the U.K. that it pays to waste a couple bucks.
The fitting choice is all up to you based on what
you plan to do with your lines and the style of
the valve that you get. You'll most likely want
downward turning AN fittings, which you can also
do with the 1/4" female NPT, by using an AN822-6D.
That's what I did. Turned out good because I
just replaced one of the fittings to make sure I
had a good one on there. But, on the other hand,
it can sometimes be hard to get an NPT fitting
aligned where you want it without it being too
tight or too loose....so you may consider ordering
their downturned AN fittings. If it were ME buying
it, I guess I'd buy it with the AN type built-in
fittings, but I'd splurge and buy a spare. I
absolutely hate being grounded for stupid things
like that, and since Andair is your sole-source for
the built-in fittings, I'd definitely order a
spare if you go that route.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
Perry, Phil wrote:
| Quote: | I also see a 3^rd question now.
I thought the extension would be a pretty simple choice between 6 or
12, but I was wrong.
Is there any need for Universal Joints at the Valve or Handle?
I doubt it. It should be a straight shot up through the tunnel cover.
Finally here is a checkbox for a Coupler Joint, but there is no
description of what it is
Any ideas?
Phil
*From:* Perry, Phil
*Sent:* Monday, March 29, 2010 9:55 AM
*To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
*Subject:* Fuel Related Items
Ive put it off as long as I can. Now Im getting ready to write the
check for the Andair Fuel Valve.
Ordering from the Andair site, you can customize the valve with the
appropriate fittings. Which leads me to the first question.
1) Are most people using the NPT (FEMALE) fittings on all 3
connections of the FS20x7?
a. This creates a part number of FS20f7F.
Finally Im going to customize the face plate. This leads me into the
next question.
2) Vans says the fuel capacity of the RV-10 is 60 gallons 30/30.
Is this the usable fuel or the total capacity?
a. Id like to placard usable fuel on the selector.
Thanks,
Phil
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Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com
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| Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:55 am Post subject: Fuel Related Items |
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Yeah I didn't think of using their Banjo connectors, but that's a good idea.
This would let me eliminate the 45 degree elbows on the L&R lines and go directly to a Male AN6 fitting instead. Good idea.
Also nice that it's adjustable.
I'll keep the female connector on the bottom for the fuel going forward and the return from the boost pump.
Phil
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 12:14 pm Post subject: Fuel Related Items |
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I didn't mean banjo with those though....I meant a normal
AN fitting with a screw-together flange to the valve.
I think the Banjos would be the easy ones to install
in some respects, but I was too worried about flow capabilities.
I'm not knowledgeable in banjo fitting flow rates, so I tried
to make sure that all fuel fittings were as free flowing
as possible, avoiding as many 90's as I could. In the
end, I have lots of 45's but only a couple 90's.
But, for none of them do I know what the actual flow
restriction would really be....it's all just in concept.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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Perry, Phil wrote:
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<Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com>
Yeah I didn't think of using their Banjo connectors, but that's a
good idea.
This would let me eliminate the 45 degree elbows on the L&R lines and
go directly to a Male AN6 fitting instead. Good idea.
Also nice that it's adjustable.
I'll keep the female connector on the bottom for the fuel going
forward and the return from the boost pump.
Phil
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Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com
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| Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 12:37 pm Post subject: Fuel Related Items |
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Yeah that thought crossed my mind a few minutes ago too. Plus a couple of others.
1) It's just another place to leak. And if it leaks, its not easily repairable. A standard AN threaded fitting is easy to replace.
2) I think the banjos (pointed straight down) might interfere with the scat tubing and other items running down the tunnel. The 45 degree fittings help get the fuel lines to the sides of the tunnel and not in the middle.
I see where Vans has an Andair valve with 45 degree fittings on it. That's not one available from Andair's site, but sounds like the perfect one for the -10.
Now I just need to find a source for the extension. I'd like to have one in my inventory just in case I need it with fitting.
Phil
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robertbrunk(at)mac.com
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| Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 12:48 pm Post subject: Fuel Related Items |
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can anyone tell me if i should set the fuel flow meter to 58 gal or to 60?
On Mar 29, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
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The RV-10 will hold about 61 gallons total I think if you
really stuff it in to the brim, but call it 60 as
advertised.
When it comes to useable fuel, almost ALL fuel is useable.
I've flown each tank until dry (on separate test flights
done directly over the airport), and both tanks when I
sumped them after it was out of fuel, had only about
1 cup or so that would come out. Certainly far less than
a quart. So consider that if you fill it pretty full,
you're looking at 60 gallons with 60 useable, if you don't
count the extra .5 gallons that you can squeeze into the
tank.
As for the universal joints, it depends on your setup.
Mine isn't perfectly straight, and it still works
ok with a slight angle between the valve and handle.
If you mount the valve so it's level to the tunnel
cover and directly below the hole, you won't need a
universal. There is a little slop to it for
forgiveness.
If you order a 12" extension, you will likely use
about half of it. I can't remember if I had less
than 6" left, or more than 6" left. But, I'd order
12" either way. That way if you mess up the cut,
you may end up with some excess to play with.
Ordering the extensions is enough of a pain coming
from the U.K. that it pays to waste a couple bucks.
The fitting choice is all up to you based on what
you plan to do with your lines and the style of
the valve that you get. You'll most likely want
downward turning AN fittings, which you can also
do with the 1/4" female NPT, by using an AN822-6D.
That's what I did. Turned out good because I
just replaced one of the fittings to make sure I
had a good one on there. But, on the other hand,
it can sometimes be hard to get an NPT fitting
aligned where you want it without it being too
tight or too loose....so you may consider ordering
their downturned AN fittings. If it were ME buying
it, I guess I'd buy it with the AN type built-in
fittings, but I'd splurge and buy a spare. I
absolutely hate being grounded for stupid things
like that, and since Andair is your sole-source for
the built-in fittings, I'd definitely order a
spare if you go that route.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
Perry, Phil wrote:
> I also see a 3^rd question now.
> I thought the extension would be a pretty simple choice between 6 or 12, but I was wrong.
> Is there any need for Universal Joints at the Valve or Handle?
> I doubt it. It should be a straight shot up through the tunnel cover.
> Finally here is a checkbox for a Coupler Joint, but there is no description of what it is Any ideas?
> Phil
> *From:* Perry, Phil
> *Sent:* Monday, March 29, 2010 9:55 AM
> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Fuel Related Items
> Ive put it off as long as I can. Now Im getting ready to write the check for the Andair Fuel Valve. Ordering from the Andair site, you can customize the valve with the appropriate fittings. Which leads me to the first question.
> 1) Are most people using the NPT (FEMALE) fittings on all 3 connections of the FS20x7?
> a. This creates a part number of FS20f7F.
> Finally Im going to customize the face plate. This leads me into the next question.
> 2) Vans says the fuel capacity of the RV-10 is 60 gallons 30/30. Is this the usable fuel or the total capacity? a. Id like to placard usable fuel on the selector.
> Thanks,
> Phil
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partner14
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| Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 1:22 pm Post subject: Fuel Related Items |
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60... it's all usable.
Don
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From: Robert Brunkenhoefer <robertbrunk(at)mac.com>
Subject: Re: RE: Fuel Related Items
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Monday, March 29, 2010, 1:47 PM
--> RV10-List message posted by: Robert Brunkenhoefer <robertbrunk(at)mac.com (robertbrunk(at)mac.com)>
can anyone tell me if i should set the fuel flow meter to 58 gal or to 60?
On Mar 29, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
| Quote: | --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>
The RV-10 will hold about 61 gallons total I think if you
really stuff it in to the brim, but call it 60 as
advertised.
When it comes to useable fuel, almost ALL fuel is useable.
I've flown each tank until dry (on separate test flights
done directly over the airport), and both tanks when I
sumped them after it was out of fuel, had only about
1 cup or so that would come out. Certainly far less than
a quart. So consider that if you fill it pretty full,
you're looking at 60 gallons with 60 useable, if you don't
count the extra .5 gallons that you can squeeze into the
tank.
As for the universal joints, it depends on your setup.
Mine isn't perfectly straight, and it still works
ok with a slight angle between the valve and handle.
If you mount the valve so it's level to the tunnel
cover and directly below the hole, you won't need a
universal. There is a little slop to it for
forgiveness.
If you order a 12" extension, you will likely use
about half of it. I can't remember if I had less
than 6" left, or more than 6" left. But, I'd order
12" either way. That way if you mess up the cut,
you may end up with some excess to play with.
Ordering the extensions is enough of a pain coming
from the U.K. that it pays to waste a couple bucks.
The fitting choice is all up to you based on what
you plan to do with your lines and the style of
the valve that you get. You'll most likely want
downward turning AN fittings, which you can also
do with the 1/4" female NPT, by using an AN822-6D.
That's what I did. Turned out good because I
just replaced one of the fittings to make sure I
had a good one on there. But, on the other hand,
it can sometimes be hard to get an NPT fitting
aligned where you want it without it being too
tight or too loose....so you may consider ordering
their downturned AN fittings. If it were ME buying
it, I guess I'd buy it with the AN type built-in
fittings, but I'd splurge and buy a spare. I
absolutely hate being grounded for stupid things
like that, and since Andair is your sole-source for
the built-in fittings, I'd definitely order a
spare if you go that route.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
Perry, Phil wrote:
> I also see a 3^rd question now…….
> I thought the extension would be a pretty simple choice between 6” or 12”, but I was wrong.
> Is there any need for Universal Joints at the Valve or Handle?
> I doubt it. It should be a straight shot up through the tunnel cover.
> Finally here is a checkbox for a “Coupler Joint”, but there is no description of what it is… Any ideas?
> Phil
> *From:* Perry, Phil
> *Sent:* Monday, March 29, 2010 9:55 AM
> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
> *Subject:* Fuel Related Items
> I’ve put it off as long as I can. Now I’m getting ready to write the check for the Andair Fuel Valve. Ordering from the Andair site, you can customize the valve with the appropriate fittings. Which leads me to the first question.
> 1) Are most people using the ¼” NPT (FEMALE) fittings on all 3 connections of the FS20x7?
> a. This creates a part number of FS20f7F.
> Finally I’m going to customize the face plate. This leads me into the next question.
> 2) Van’s says the fuel capacity of the RV-10 is 60 gallons 30/30. Is this the usable fuel or the total capacity? a. I’d like to placard usable fuel on the selector.
> Thanks,
> Phil
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Phil, my understanding is that if you want an extention, you MUST order it WITH it! ASK ME how I know! But, in hindsight, you know how mine came out.... so I was glad I didn't know.... the result was much better than it otherwise would have been.
Don
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From: Perry, Phil <Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com>
Subject: Re: RE: Fuel Related Items
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Monday, March 29, 2010, 1:35 PM
Yeah that thought crossed my mind a few minutes ago too. Plus a couple of others.
1) It's just another place to leak. And if it leaks, its not easily repairable. A standard AN threaded fitting is easy to replace.
2) I think the banjos (pointed straight down) might interfere with the scat tubing and other items running down the tunnel. The 45 degree fittings help get the fuel lines to the sides of the tunnel and not in the middle.
I see where Vans has an Andair valve with 45 degree fittings on it. That's not one available from Andair's site, but sounds like the perfect one for the -10.
Now I just need to find a source for the extension. I'd like to have one in my inventory just in case I need it with fitting.
Phil
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Ron B.
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I purchased my Andair valve not knowing I would need an extension. I ended up ordering an extension directly from Andair at Sun & Fun. I believe the older models had to be ordered together but not so for the units sold in the last few years. There is a way to determine between the units but I forget what the features are.
Ron
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gipsowh(at)hotmail.com
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| Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 5:14 pm Post subject: Fuel Related Items |
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Phil,I ordered an extension with my Andair and wound upnot using it. Next time you are in the area, let me know and I'll retrieve it for you. Can't remember if its a 12" or 8" or 6" extension.
Bill Gipson
281-814-6006
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 14:23:43 -0700
From: building_partner(at)yahoo.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RE: Fuel Related Items
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Phil, my understanding is that if you want an extention, you MUST order itWITH it! ASK ME how I know! But, in hindsight, you know how mine came out.... so I was glad I didn't know.... the result was much better than it otherwise would have been.
Don
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From: Perry, Phil <Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RE: Fuel Related Items
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Monday, March 29, 2010, 1:35 PM
Yeah that thought crossed my mind a few minutes ago too. Plus a couple of others.
1) It's just another place to leak. And if it leaks, its not easily repairable. A standard AN threaded fitting is easy to replace.
2) I think the banjos (pointed straight down) might interfere with the scat tubing and other items running down the tunnel. The 45 degree fittings help get the fuel lines to the sides of the tunnel and not in the middle.
I see where Vans has an Andair valve with 45 degree fittings on it. That's not one available from Andair's site, but sounds like the perfect one for the -10.
Now I just need to find a source for the extension. I'd like to have one in my inventory just in case I need it with fitting.
Phil
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Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com
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| Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 5:54 pm Post subject: Fuel Related Items |
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Thanks Bill….
That makes life simpler.
I’ll just order the FS20x7T from Vans and take you up on your offer for the extension. I’m guessing you can retro fit the standard valve….
I should be there for the meeting on the 10th. If not, I’ll run by and meet you the next time you’re at the field.
Thanks again!
Phil
From: Bill Gipson [mailto:gipsowh(at)hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 8:09 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RE: Fuel Related Items
Phil,I ordered an extension with my Andair and wound upnot using it. Next time you are in the area, let me know and I'll retrieve it for you. Can't remember if its a 12" or 8" or 6" extension.
Bill Gipson
281-814-6006
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 14:23:43 -0700
From: building_partner(at)yahoo.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RE: Fuel Related Items
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Phil, my understanding is that if you want an extention, you MUST order itWITH it! ASK ME how I know! But, in hindsight, you know how mine came out.... so I was glad I didn't know.... the result was much better than it otherwise would have been.
Don
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From: Perry, Phil <Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RE: Fuel Related Items
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Monday, March 29, 2010, 1:35 PM
Yeah that thought crossed my mind a few minutes ago too. Plus a couple of others.
1) It's just another place to leak. And if it leaks, its not easily repairable. A standard AN threaded fitting is easy to replace.
2) I think the banjos (pointed straight down) might interfere with the scat tubing and other items running down the tunnel. The 45 degree fittings help get the fuel lines to the sides of the tunnel and not in the middle.
I see where Vans has an Andair valve with 45 degree fittings on it. That's not one available from Andair's site, but sounds like the perfect one for the -10.
Now I just need to find a source for the extension. I'd like to have one in my inventory just in case I need it with fitting.
Phil
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Neal.George(at)hurlburt.a
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Phil -
Unless Andair has changed their valves, you can't just bolt an extension between the handle and the body. The valve body is machined to interact with the handle parts to provide the stops and locking mechanism. The extension kit is more than a chunk of extruded tube. The heart of an extension kit is a bezel machined to replicate the top of the valve body so the stops and off-locks still function.
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I’ll just order the FS20x7T from Vans and take you up on your offer for the extension. I’m guessing you can retro fit the standard valve….
Phil
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