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I am having a hard time picturing what you are doing with the pantene
can. Do you have any pictures or can you explain in more detail? I am
intrigued!
Eric in NC
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1. 06:31 PM - Dope & Fabric weight (Richard Pike)
2. 06:44 PM - Re: Dope and fabric weight (william sullivan)
3. 08:13 PM - Re: Dope & Fabric weight (robert bean)
4. 08:19 PM - Re: Dope and fabric weight (Richard Pike)
5. 08:29 PM - Pantene hair spray can (Richard Pike)
________________________________ Message 1
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Time: 06:31:34 PM PST US
Subject: Dope & Fabric weight
From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Just in case anybody else ever wondered what the paint and fabric
weighs, tonight
I stripped the fabric off the other wing as part of the rebuild of
the FSII,
and weighed it.
8.5 pounds. Stits process, by the book including silver, color coat,
and a trim
color. That was for the wing and the aileron.
So probably around 25 pounds or so dope and fabric for a whole
airplane?
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292433#292433
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Time: 06:44:49 PM PST US
From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: Dope and fabric weight
- Richard- Was it Aerothane, or Poly Tone?- I understand that the
Aerot
hane (candy shell appearance) is much heavier.
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--------------------- Bill Sulliv
an
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--------------------- Windsor Loc
ks, Ct.
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--------------------- FS 447
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Time: 08:13:35 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Dope & Fabric weight
From: robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
That sounds about right. That stuff about the heavy paint is a myth
unless you
are talking jumbo jet.
The majority of the weight in the can evaporates along with the
thinner. Old
fashioned lacquers are the lightest,
butyrates in the middle,
and epoxies and polymerizing paints like urethanes are the
heaviest. There is
no advantage with thick paint
other than being shiny and washable. You could shoot a coat of
clear dope on the
rags and fly it away.
BB
On 30, Mar 2010, at 9:30 PM, Richard Pike wrote:
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> Just in case anybody else ever wondered what the paint and fabric
> weighs, tonight
I stripped the fabric off the other wing as part of the rebuild of
the FSII,
and weighed it.
>
> 8.5 pounds. Stits process, by the book including silver, color
> coat, and a trim
color. That was for the wing and the aileron.
>
> So probably around 25 pounds or so dope and fabric for a whole
> airplane?
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292433#292433
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Time: 08:19:28 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Dope and fabric weight
From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Poly bush, poly spray, poly whatever, the mat finish stuff.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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Time: 08:29:23 PM PST US
Subject: Pantene hair spray can
From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Decided to put a strobe on each wingtip, but wanted a way to
streamline it in,
and also wanted a way to make the strobe easily removable in case it
needed replacing.
Went to the CVS drugstore, no luck, went next door to the Dollar Store
- Bingo!
Wandering around the Dollar Store with a Kuntzleman strobe and
calipers pays off.
The Pantene can was a perfect fit. Took it home, laid a brick on the
nozzle (Take
that, Gore! HA!) and when the can was empty, cut off the bottom and
fit it
in the wingtip. Will glue it in place with JBWeld, and then use
fabric to blend
it in.
Will use the other end of the can on the other tip. The nav light
will go just
ahead of the strobe, ordered two 6" strips of 24 12V LED's off of
ebay, will put
those across the back of each tip for the white rear light.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (42oldPoops)
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| Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:44 am Post subject: Pantene can |
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Eric- Richard attached 3 photos to the bottom of his post. Scroll down and click on them. Very clever, nice work.
Bill Sullivan
Windsor Locks, Ct.
FS 447
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Richard Pike
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| Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:19 am Post subject: Re: Pantene can |
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[quote="marenyi(at)gmail.com"]I am having a hard time picturing what you are doing with the pantene
can. Do you have any pictures or can you explain in more detail? I am
intrigued!
Eric in NC
Sent from my iPhone
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A picture is worth 1,000 words - it acts as a socket for the strobe to slide into. First picture is starting in, 2nd is all the way in. A thin strip of silicone seal will hold it in, and keep the water out. Won't use the tang on the bottom of the strobe, but trying to take it off is a no-no.
Richard Pike
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Richard is that attached to the aileron? That sounds like a good way to
get aileron flutter? I remember you have first hand experience with
rudder flutter...so I'm sure you have thought this through already but
thought I'd bring it up...
Jeremy Casey
Kolb "builder" again...finally
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[quote="1planeguy(at)kilocharlie."]Richard is that attached to the aileron? That sounds like a good way to
get aileron flutter? I remember you have first hand experience with
rudder flutter...so I'm sure you have thought this through already but
thought I'd bring it up...
Jeremy Casey
Kolb "builder" again...finally
Assuredly it would be a dandy way to get aileron flutter, but both the aileron counterbalances are alive and well, and this puppy will be balanced to whatever it takes to make the evil flutter go away. Thanks, people bringing things up is never a bad idea, better to talk about something important three times than to miss one important thing once.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 3:01 am Post subject: Pantene can |
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I saw the pictures but I am wondering why you need to put it in something? Is it not possible to directly mount the strobe, which makes it necessary? It seems redundant to me. I am not asking as if you are wrong, I am trying to learn.
Eric Marenyi
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