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armywrights(at)adelphia.n
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Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 3:11 pm Post subject: panel

Anyone willing to relate how much they paid to get their panels done for them?  Thinking about using Stein or others and wondering what all of you have paid….  

   

Rob #392

dav1111(at)cox.net
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Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 5:47 pm Post subject: panel

Stein charges $5,000.00 for doing a panel, unless  he has gone up on his price, and worth every penny.

  

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GenGrumpy(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 5:50 pm Post subject: panel

Rob - you'll get what you pay for.

  

 I paid about $55k for mine from Avionics Systems.  Think they have a picture of mine posted now.  First time I've ever held a Lexus in my hands......

  

 But, I designed and got what I asked for.  Could not have done this same panel myself.

  

 Grumpy

  

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 In a message dated 4/19/2006 6:15:28 PM Central Standard Time, armywrights(at)adelphia.net writes:

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Anyone willing to relate how much they paid to get their panels done for them?  Thinking about using Stein or others and wondering what all of you have paidâ€¦. 

  

Rob #392

Dick Sipp

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 215
Location: Hope, MI

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 6:02 pm Post subject: panel

Rob, 

  

 The price to get the panel done will vary all over the place  depending on the equipment ordered, etc. etc.

  

 I made up my equipment list and then sent the same   email request for quotes to all the major shops so that I could compare  apples to apples.

  

 The bids were amazingly close, so I ended up going with the  folks I thought were most experienced and that I felt most comfortable  with.

  

 I think any of the established major shops would do  fine.  You will be working with them extensively before the panel is done  so look for folks you can work comfortably with.

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stein(at)steinair.com
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Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 7:29 pm Post subject: panel

I'll  not comment too much on this thread other than to say that there really is NO  typical price for "doing a panel" at all.  It will vary wildly, and you'll  find that almost all of the good panel shops including Avinoics Systems &  Aerotronics (and us) will all end up really close in price (probably within a  few % of each other).  The typical person probably won't get a panel done  for $5K from any of us.  Russ forgot to mention that we used his panel as a  display panel at Oshkosh 2005, along with some other "horse trading" so costs  below aren't really typical.  If you've seen Mr.Miller's panel or any of  the others turned out by Avionics Systems and Aerotronics you'll see they do  some great work and that they can be worth every cent you spend.  I respect  my competition a lot, Gary & David are two top notch guys who run top notch  shops and I'm happy to say we all get along wonderfully (at least that's what I  think:).  There is no way any one of us can do everyone's panels, so we all  know there is plenty of work to keep us all busy.

  

 Please  don't take this as "stumping" because I really don't intend for that to be the  case.  Moreover I just wanted to try and explain that there isn't a typical  charge for things like this.  It depends almost entirely on what you buy,  what you want installed and how, finishing options, timeframe, etc..  I'll  leave you with a parting thought on things like this....

  

 You  can have your panel (or anything else aviation for that matter) with the options  below:

  

 1)  FAST

 2)  CHEAP

 3)  GOOD (High Quality)

  

 Here's  the catch....you only get to pick TWO out of the three options.  Pick any  two and that's the formula we all use to calculate your panel  costs!

  

 Cheers,

 Stein.

  

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dav1111(at)cox.net
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 2:27 am Post subject: panel

My apologies to Stein for the low ball price  quote.  The reason I said "if he hasn't gone up" was because I felt that  for what he did, a price of $5,000.00 for labor to build a panel was a  steal.  I did agree to have my panel displayed at OSH 2005 as part of the  deal and failed to factor into Stein's price quote any extra discount for  such.

  

 I am an attorney for an US &  International Avionics Company, and the President of such company had great  things to say about Stein's panel work when he saw my panel (front and back  side before install).  Am I happy with  SteinAir?  You bet, and I plan on having my -10 at OSH  2006.

  

 Russ Daves 

  

  

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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 5:03 am Post subject: panel

Not trying to cut any business from any of the panel builders, but...

I thought before when people posted their bios that there was a

pretty high percentage of geek builders on the list.  I fit into

that category.  I'm kind of surprised that with the -10 everyone just

assumes they have to have someone build is as opposed to doing it

theirself.  If you can wire a car stereo, build network cables, and

make serial cables for PC or controller interfacing, then this stuff

isn't necessarily beyond your reach.  As I see it, right if you need

your panel done, you should expect to wait at least 6 months minimum

for most of the shops to get to it.  If you go with places like

Aerocraft, with the recent departures of some of their expertise,

I'd bet you need more than a year lead time.  There are so many -10's

coming up that there's no way the homebuilt panel industry can handle

all the work that's headed their way.  What makes people so fearful

of just digging in on a D-I-Y panel?  It's the one way you can

have #1, 2, and 3 of Stein's post, as long as you do good work, and

after you're done you'll understand the inner workings better.

Stein was infinitely helpful in getting my panel to come out the way

it did, as I learned a lot from him.  I'm sure if you went to a guy

like him for your avionics, you could get a few tips along the way

too.



Of course, if you're not a geek, by all means you're perhaps better

off farming it out.   Just wondering how the whole panel thing

turned into almost 99% professional built when the -10 came out.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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Robert G. Wright wrote:

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		   Anyone willing to relate how much they paid to get their panels done for 

 them?  Thinking about using Stein or others and wondering what all of 

 you have paid….

 

  

 

 Rob #392

jjessen(at)rcn.com
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 6:07 am Post subject: panel

I do not consider myself a geek, I just like to learn about and build

things.  Thus, I'm doing my own panel, but I think others may be going the

route of the pros simply because of all the alternatives and gotches that

may be lurking behind the glass.  There is also a need to get in the air,

which I feel, but I weigh that against a life-long desire to do it myself.  



The problem for many is, of course, time.  Money, too, but time is so

limited, and it's the engine and panel where this plane really lives and

helps you live.  Building the body is easy compared to the engine and panel,

and it's the latter two that you depend so greatly on.  



On my web site I've decided to document the learning journey I'm going to

take to get to the finished panel.  The questions that I've asked and

answered, the alternatives, both in terms of functionality and cost, and so

on.  I will have panel pictures of those who have already completed theirs,

and a critique of their approach as it relates to my decisions, as well as

links to their panel discussions.  Tim's done a great job of this as well,

and the more of us do it the better.  A structured approach to panel

building is what we need.  Hopefully, given the accumulated body of

knowledge out there we can gather all the necessary questions.  Stein and

others are very busy trying to stay up with the onslaught, but maybe they

could think about posting some of the critical decision questions they find

all of us should be asking.    



John Jessen

  ~328 (final deburrrrrring of Tailcone) 



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LIKE2LOOP(at)aol.com
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 10:25 am Post subject: panel

In a message dated 4/20/06 9:07 am, Tim(at)MyRV10.com writes:

<< .  I'm kind of surprised that with the -10 everyone just

assumes they have to have someone build is as opposed to doing it

theirself.  >>



 Tim,



   Thanks for chiming in. I am planning to build my own panel...all the posts 

were making wonder if there was some mystery I was unaware of.....

Steve



Port St. Lucie, FL

772-475-5556



Sent from my Treo 600



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10flyer(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 11:08 am Post subject: panel

I did most of the wiring in my panel as far as switches and breakers. I 

installed an Approach Hub system after having the panel cut and painted. I 

was very happy with the simplicity. Tell them what equiptment you have, they 

will send the harnesses and Hub. One end goes in the avionics tray, the 

other in the hub. Just hook up PWR/GND/DIMR and you're good to go!!. I think 

the whole set-up was about $1800. Just another way to get it done.

deej(at)deej.net
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 12:11 pm Post subject: panel

LIKE2LOOP(at)aol.com wrote:

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 In a message dated 4/20/06 9:07 am, Tim(at)MyRV10.com writes:

 << .  I'm kind of surprised that with the -10 everyone just

 assumes they have to have someone build is as opposed to doing it

 theirself.  >>



  Tim,



    Thanks for chiming in. I am planning to build my own panel...all the posts 

 were making wonder if there was some mystery I was unaware of.....



   


	


    FWIW, I'm also going to wire my own panel, and likely even

do all the cutouts myself as well.  No great mystery, just

time and learning as with the rest of the project...  



-Dj

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schmoboy

Joined: 26 Feb 2006
Posts: 130

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 12:25 pm Post subject: panel

On Apr 20, 2006, at 11:22 AM, LIKE2LOOP(at)aol.com wrote:



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 In a message dated 4/20/06 9:07 am, Tim(at)MyRV10.com writes:

 << .  I'm kind of surprised that with the -10 everyone just

 assumes they have to have someone build is as opposed to doing it

 theirself.  >>



  Tim,



    Thanks for chiming in. I am planning to build my own panel...all  

 the posts

 were making wonder if there was some mystery I was unaware of.....

 Steve




	


Well, some of us have experience with metal work.  Some of us have  

experience with fiberglass.  Some of us have experience with wiring.  

Some of us have experience with engines. Some have experience with  

painting. The lucky few have experience with all the above or have a  

close resource who has experience to oversee.



And some of us have experience with only one of the above and feel  

more comfortable paying someone else to do it.



To each his own.



-Sean #40303

johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 6:39 pm Post subject: panel

For the many who are taking the effort to build their own panel, Good

for you.  Tim Olson has done a remarkable job showing each of the steps

and how easy it is (was).  I can direct any of you to firms that can do

just the panel cutting, just the silk screen, just the wire runs or just

the avionics purchases.  It is much easier and more valuable long term

than the money invested in turning the entire project over.



Kitplanes did an excellent article some time back on what makes a great

visually appealing panel with high utility.  However, one person's Lexus

can be another's Yugo.  And it won't stand the test of being resold to a

third party down the road.  Legions can be learned by reading and

studying why Tim selected specific items and why they were placed where

they were.  Knowing the wiring (Aero-electric)is a whole nother notch on

the educational road to experimental kit built.



Thanks Tim... cheers to you Steve, the community will be better for more

custom Lexus and fewer mass produced Yugos.  Every panel should be a

Lexus.



John - KUAO

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pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 7:08 pm Post subject: panel

The biggest challenge to anyone wiring their own panel is getting good soldered connections.  I use a Weller Solder Station .... the one with the interchangeable, temperature controlled tips.  It's pricey ...... no, not like avionics .... but even a neophyte can solder acceptably with it.  Just be careful and not use too much solder, don't carry solder to the joint on the soldering iron, and get the joint hot enough so it melts the solder, not the iron directly.  I also like to use clear heat-shrink tubing over the connection .... especially on the d-sub connectors.

 Linn

 

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LIKE2LOOP(at)aol.com (LIKE2LOOP(at)aol.com) wrote:

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In a message dated 4/20/06 9:07 am, Tim(at)MyRV10.com (Tim(at)MyRV10.com) writes:

<< .  I'm kind of surprised that with the -10 everyone just

assumes they have to have someone build is as opposed to doing it

theirself.  >>



 Tim,



   Thanks for chiming in. I am planning to build my own panel...all the posts 

were making wonder if there was some mystery I was unaware of.....



  

    	
   

    FWIW, I'm also going to wire my own panel, and likely even

do all the cutouts myself as well.  No great mystery, just

time and learning as with the rest of the project...  



-Dj

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dmasys(at)cox.net
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Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 6:18 pm Post subject: panel

 	  Quote: 	
		       FWIW, I'm also going to wire my own panel, and likely even

 do all the cutouts myself as well.  No great mystery, just

 time and learning as with the rest of the project...  


	


I cut the panel for my -7A and wired all of the avionics from schematics downloaded from the web.  Result is at:



http://array.ucsd.edu/rv7a/panel.html

and

http://array.ucsd.edu/rv7a/2003-02-16_panel2.jpg



Took about 200 hours to do all of the design, cutting, wiring and painting, but it was one of the really fun parts of the project.  Plan to do the same for the -10.



-Dan Masys

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