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jamey

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 124

Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 6:24 am Post subject: Relocate to CA

There's definitely an annual use tax levied by apparently all CA counties

but I don't see why you'd be taxed for bringing the plane in if you've had

it for a while.  San Mateo County hits me up for about 1% annually.



Jamey

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aa1bflyboy(at)msn.com
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 8:20 am Post subject: Relocate to CA

Incorporate in Delaware, no use or sales tax. Let the corporation own the 

plane. Many aircraft and boat owners do it. Need an address hit me up. I'll 

be here for a while <G>...



Steve Roberts - AA-1B N9664L (at) ILG

There's definitely an annual use tax levied by apparently all CA counties

but I don't see why you'd be taxed for bringing the plane in if you've had

it for a while.  San Mateo County hits me up for about 1% annually.



Question for CA based TG folks: are there annual taxes on your planes in CA?

Can anyone advise if I were to move to CA and bring my Tiger, would I

typically be subject to any type of sales or use tax for moving the plane to

CA.  Not that any of this is highly probable,  but just curious.  Thanks,

rdp123(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 8:44 am Post subject: Relocate to CA

Thanks for the offer Steve but the tax collector in L.A. is not stupid.  If

your plane is here they will get their property tax every year unless you

hide it and move it around constantly.  They track the hangars and tie downs

and insurance submission from the FBO's.



Rick      Tiger 4542N     Santa Monica





<aa1bflyboy(at)msn.com>



Incorporate in Delaware, no use or sales tax. Let the corporation own the 

plane. Many aircraft and boat owners do it. Need an address hit me up. I'll 

be here for a while <G>...



Steve Roberts - AA-1B N9664L (at) ILG

There's definitely an annual use tax levied by apparently all CA counties

but I don't see why you'd be taxed for bringing the plane in if you've had

it for a while.  San Mateo County hits me up for about 1% annually.



Question for CA based TG folks: are there annual taxes on your planes in CA?

Can anyone advise if I were to move to CA and bring my Tiger, would I

typically be subject to any type of sales or use tax for moving the plane to

CA.  Not that any of this is highly probable,  but just curious.  Thanks,

jamey

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 124

Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 8:57 am Post subject: Relocate to CA

He's right and really, for 1% of your aircraft's value annualy, would it

really be worth the hassle and aggrivation of trying to dodge the system let

alone the risk of penalty when caught?



If there's a clear legal path to avoiding taxation I'll be the first guy in

line but in this case I've yet to hear of a way to beat the system.



Such is the price we pay for all the (normally) nice flying weather.



Jamey

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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:11 am Post subject: Relocate to CA

Oh well worth a try...



Steve Roberts - AA-1B N9664L (at) ILG



He's right and really, for 1% of your aircraft's value annualy, would it

really be worth the hassle and aggrivation of trying to dodge the system let

alone the risk of penalty when caught?



If there's a clear legal path to avoiding taxation I'll be the first guy in

line but in this case I've yet to hear of a way to beat the system.



Such is the price we pay for all the (normally) nice flying weather.



Jamey

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Anna Longwell

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 6
Location: Palo Alto, CA

Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 1:05 pm Post subject: Relocate to CA

If your airplane is 30 years old and you show it  as an antique on  some 

regular schedule, you can be forgiven the CA sales tax. Lots of people up  in 

Schellville show their planes on the first saturday of the month. n74400  aka  

Christine will be 30 this year, and I'm considering opening the  hangar and 

having coffee and cookies one a month-more fun than paying  tax--

gilalex(at)earthlink.net
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 7:25 pm Post subject: Relocate to CA

Shucks... it's 40 years in AZ before you qualify for the $25 fee instead of 

the 0.5% yearly tax ... gil A

At 02:04 PM 4/25/2006, you wrote:

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If your airplane is 30 years old and you show it  as an antique on  some

regular schedule, you can be forgiven the CA sales tax. Lots of people up  in

Schellville show their planes on the first saturday of the month. 

n74400  aka

Christine will be 30 this year, and I'm considering opening the  hangar and

having coffee and cookies one a month-more fun than paying  tax--

v1rotate(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 7:43 pm Post subject: Relocate to CA

 	  Quote: 	
		   He's right and really, for 1% of your aircraft's value annualy, would it

 really be worth the hassle and aggrivation of trying to dodge the system 

 let

 alone the risk of penalty when caught?



 If there's a clear legal path to avoiding taxation I'll be the first guy 

 in

 line but in this case I've yet to hear of a way to beat the system.


	


You guys might be missing something.  I believe in Los Angeles County, if 

not in all of California, that once your plane is 30 years old (maybe 35, 

not sure) it then qualifies as an antique or classic or some such 

designation.  At that point you become exempt from the yearly property tax 

as long as you display the plane to the public one day a month.  That 

amounts to leaving your hangar door open for look-i-lu's, or perhaps if it's 

parked outside having some sort of a sign saying "this is a Grumman AA...". 

I know my plane isn't quite old enough yet, but if I owned a '76 I'd be 

calling the county tax assessor to see if I qualify.



Bill Kelly

AA1C 39065 ('7

Lancaster, CA

jamey

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 124

Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 4:47 am Post subject: Relocate to CA

No kidding!  The "new" A36 is a '75 model so I have some research to do...



Thanks!



Jamey

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GrummanDude

Joined: 15 Jan 2006
Posts: 926
Location: Auburn, CA

Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 9:16 pm Post subject: Relocate to CA

Like the others say, the only tax is a property tax.   As for moving to CA 

and paying sales tax, I think it's only if you've owned the plane less than 9 

months.   That's the number I seem to remember.   



Where in CA are you planning to move?



Gary

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GrummanDude

Joined: 15 Jan 2006
Posts: 926
Location: Auburn, CA

Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 9:44 pm Post subject: Relocate to CA

In a message dated 4/25/06 8:26:40 PM, gilalex(at)earthlink.net writes:

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		   Shucks... it's 40 years in AZ before you qualify for the $25 fee instead of

 the 0.5% yearly tax ... gil A

 

 


	


What is your tax on house property?

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gilalex(at)earthlink.net
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 10:02 pm Post subject: Relocate to CA

It's hard to say as a %...  To give an approx. number, I'd say it's sort of 

0.5% of value as well...

We now pay $5,000 per year... and it's going up.....

But an AZ equivalent of the CA Prop. 13 is getting started to peg the 

levels at 2004 and limit yearly increases...

gil A

At 10:43 PM 4/26/2006, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

In a message dated 4/25/06 8:26:40 PM, gilalex(at)earthlink.net writes:

 > Shucks... it's 40 years in AZ before you qualify for the $25 fee instead of

 > the 0.5% yearly tax ... gil A

 >

 >

What is your tax on house property?

jamey

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 124

Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 10:17 pm Post subject: Relocate to CA

We're about 1.1% here in CA or at least in San Mateo County:(



Jamey



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GrummanDude

Joined: 15 Jan 2006
Posts: 926
Location: Auburn, CA

Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 10:54 pm Post subject: Relocate to CA

In a message dated 4/26/06 11:03:02 PM, gilalex(at)earthlink.net writes:

 	  Quote: 	
		   But an AZ equivalent of the CA Prop. 13 is getting started to peg the

 levels at 2004 and limit yearly increases...

 

 


	


Cool, then in about 20 years, Arizona will have schools and roads as bad as 

California (only Mississippi ranks lower in school quality than California).   

Plus, housing costs will go up because there'll be no tax base to pay for 

roads, sewers, power, and water in new developments.  The builder will be stuck 

with $50,000 to $$75,000 in fees just to build a house that used to cost 

$80,000.   That same house will cost the equivalent of $500,000 today. The house I 

bought in 1982 for $69,000 in the hell hole of Lancaster is worth $320,000 

today.     If they pass the equivalent of Prop 13, buy as much property as you can 

leverage.    Then hang on to it.   With luck, your kids will be out of school.

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AuCountry Aviation
Home of Team Grumman

gilalex(at)earthlink.net
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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 6:05 am Post subject: Relocate to CA

Gary...

I don't believe a correlation between $ spent per pupil and education 

levels has been shown to exist anywhere in the country.

It's rather a closed system with no incentives.

A voucher system and some parental choice would show where efficiencies and 

losses actually exist (aka capitalism).

And interestingly enough, the same politicians now calling for a "windfall 

profits" tax on the oil companies are quite happy getting their own 

windfall profits in property tax when house prices rise at a fast rate.

I lived in LA when Prop. 13 passed (about 1978?) and remember what was 

happening to our own house property tax... a 300% increase in a couple of 

years.

California's problems stem from other than Prop 13... the state did not 

collapse as predicted (well except for a few earthquakes...)

It seems like the house we bought for $50,000 in 1977 in LA is now in the 

$950,000 range.. it was shooting up before Prop 13, and shot up since.  It 

also fell about 40% in the early 80's when aerospace jobs left LA.

gil in AZ

At 11:53 PM 4/26/2006, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

In a message dated 4/26/06 11:03:02 PM, gilalex(at)earthlink.net writes:

 > But an AZ equivalent of the CA Prop. 13 is getting started to peg the

 > levels at 2004 and limit yearly increases...

 >

 >

Cool, then in about 20 years, Arizona will have schools and roads as bad as

California (only Mississippi ranks lower in school quality than 

California).

Plus, housing costs will go up because there'll be no tax base to pay for

roads, sewers, power, and water in new developments.  The builder will be 

stuck

with $50,000 to $$75,000 in fees just to build a house that used to cost

$80,000.   That same house will cost the equivalent of $500,000 today. The 

house I

bought in 1982 for $69,000 in the hell hole of Lancaster is worth $320,000

today.     If they pass the equivalent of Prop 13, buy as much property as 

you can

leverage.    Then hang on to it.   With luck, your kids will be out of school.

allenc3(at)bellsouth.net
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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 7:27 am Post subject: Relocate to CA

In Florida, property tax is limited to 3% increase / yr. This can add up 

after a while, but generally stays pretty static. My taxes on my 6000 sq ft 

airpark home is less than $2000. When you buy an airplane (in state or out 

of state) you get hit with a 6.5 percent sales or use tax (I know as I wrote 

a check for $4000 this year after buying N68B). After that however, there 

are no more taxes leveled on aircraft. Aircraft in Florida are not 

considered real property.



Claude



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mattd(at)drahz.com
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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 9:14 am Post subject: Relocate to CA

And the Commonwealth of MA

1) Limits overall property tax collection increases to 2.5% a year plus

community growth - subject to an override vote via plebiscite (and school

taxes are part of that). My tax rate was about 1.1% the value of my house.

2) Has a relatively flat 5.3% income tax (DOWN from 5.9%)

3) Taxes single engine planes at around $165.00/year

4) Has no other sales tax on airplanes or airplane parts and service -

this keeps planes based in MA, and keeps MA maintenance shops competitive.



(That was the aviation related part of this)



I don't live their anymore - but contrary to popular belief - the people

are a great deal more fiscally and socially conservative than outsiders

might think. I am not putting any value on that - just observing based

upon 5 years as an immigrant to the Commonwealth.



mattd



p.s. There are plenty of silly things too - but that isn't any fun to

point out....



do not archive

[quote] 

 <allenc3(at)bellsouth.net>



 In Florida, property tax is limited to 3% increase / yr. This can add up

 after a while, but generally stays pretty static. My taxes on my 6000 sq

 ft

 airpark home is less than $2000. When you buy an airplane (in state or out

 of state) you get hit with a 6.5 percent sales or use tax (I know as I

 wrote

 a check for $4000 this year after buying N68B). After that however, there

 are no more taxes leveled on aircraft. Aircraft in Florida are not

 considered real property.



 Claude



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jamey

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 124

Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 11:08 am Post subject: Relocate to CA

Curse you and Claude;)



Jamey



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