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tdawson-townsend(at)auror
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Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:10 am Post subject: Post Replies

If you post a brand new message, be sure it has the exact same title, plus “Re: “ in front of it, so the server properly groups them “by thread” for viewing online.  Otherwise they will show up as a bunch of individual threads and be harder  to read that way. 

  

Or go ahead and hit “reply” to the original, but strip away the repeated information and just add your own. 



 Thanks! 

  

TDT 

  

Tim Dawson-Townsend 

RV-10  40025 

APRS KB1URG 

tdt(at)aurora.aero (tdt(at)aurora.aero)  

617-500-4812 (office) 

617-905-4800 (mobile) 

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pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
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Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:39 am Post subject: Post Replies

But please leave enough of the thread so others (like me!   )   know what the title and thread relates to ..... like this one!!!

 Linn

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If you post a brand new message, be sure it has the exact same title, plus “Re: “ in front of it, so the server properly groups them “by thread” for viewing online.  Otherwise they will show up as a bunch of individual threads and be harder to read that way.   

    

Or go ahead and hit “reply” to the original, but strip away the repeated information and just add your own.   



 Thanks!   

    

TDT   

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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2881

Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:40 am Post subject: Post Replies

You'll want to reply and strip....otherwise the message ID

that you threaded from won't get in there and many

threading mail readers like my Thunderbird may not see it

as a thread.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

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On 8/30/2010 8:08 AM, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy wrote:



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		   Or go ahead and hit “reply” to the original, but strip away the repeated

 information and just add your own.

sean(at)stephensville.com
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Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:10 am Post subject: Post Replies

deej(at)deej.net
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Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 7:40 am Post subject: Post Replies

On 08/30/2010 09:36 AM, Linn Walters wrote:

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		   But please leave enough of the thread so others (like me!   )   know

 what the title and thread relates to ..... like this one!!!


	


	It would also be great if everyone would post BELOW the quoted text, to

help maintain the context and keep text in the natural order of reading.



THANKS!



-Dj

Kellym

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1706
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:26 pm Post subject: Post Replies

Not to start any disagreement, but top posting is by far the preferred 

method on most listservs.

On 8/30/2010 8:39 AM, Dj Merrill wrote:

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		   - 	It would also be great if everyone would post BELOW the quoted text, to

 help maintain the context and keep text in the natural order of reading.



 THANKS!



 -Dj



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Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:50 pm Post subject: Re: Post Replies

When I hit reply it doesn't attach all the other stuff so there must be an option for that.



I prefer a single thread on topic rather than multiple threads with the same title.

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deej(at)deej.net
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Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:51 pm Post subject: Post Replies

On 08/30/2010 04:19 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:

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  Not to start any disagreement, but top posting is by far the preferred

 method on most listservs.


	




	Published Internet Etiquette (RFC 1855) is to trim the message you are

replying to just the part that is relevant, and then place your text

immediately following that text.



	I would like to strongly encourage everyone to be polite Internet

Citizens and follow the published rules if possible.



	Asking people to place their reply after the relevant text also tends

to encourage them to trim out the extra part of the message that is not

needed.  Posting at the top encourages them to simply type their reply,

and they basically "forget" the entire rest of the message, which is how

we end up with really long, messy, and often unintelligible messages.



	Here is the published RFC 1855 Netiquette Guidelines for anyone

interested in reading more:



	http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1855



	From Page 8 of the Guideline, here is a relevant snippet:



      If you are sending a reply to a message or a posting be sure you

      summarize the original at the top of the message, or include just

      enough text of the original to give a context.  This will make

      sure readers understand when they start to read your response.



-Dj



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Kelly McMullen

Joined: 16 Apr 2008
Posts: 1188
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 1:23 pm Post subject: Post Replies

Given your document reference is 15 years old, and that all the major

email software programs(Microsoft, etc) by default use top posting,

not to mention it is far easier to read with preview panes, where you

don't have to look at the quote unless you want to, I'd say it is open

for debate, and is settled as which primer to use. 



On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Dj Merrill <deej(at)deej.net> wrote:

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 On 08/30/2010 04:19 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:

> 

>

>  Not to start any disagreement, but top posting is by far the preferred

> method on most listservs.

        Published Internet Etiquette (RFC 1855) is to trim the message you are

 replying to just the part that is relevant, and then place your text

 immediately following that text.

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deej(at)deej.net
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Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 4:10 pm Post subject: Post Replies

On 8/30/2010 5:21 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 Given your document reference is 15 years old, and that all the major

 email software programs(Microsoft, etc) by default use top posting,

 not to mention it is far easier to read with preview panes, where you

 don't have to look at the quote unless you want to, I'd say it is open

 for debate, and is settled as which primer to use. 


	




	The road rules for the US were established far longer than 15 years

ago.  Instead of everyone driving on the right side of the road, should

each of us just arbitrarily pick the left or right side of the road on a

whim?



	English grammar was also established more than 15 years ago.  If you

are reading a page in a novel written in English, do you read it from

the top of the page down, or do you read it from the bottom of the page

up?  Should we arbitrarily have some pages on a novel read top down, and

others bottom up?



	US road rules were made so we could at least make an attempt at being

polite drivers and to minimize chaos on the roads.  RFC 1855 was written

to offer guidelines on how to be a polite Internet Citizen to help

minimize chaos and increase understanding.  English grammar is an

attempt to offer rules and guidelines so that we can understand the

written message based around a common framework.



	Top posting is in violation of both the Netiquette Guidelines AND

English grammar.  Why propagate a behaviour that is in clear opposition

to the way that we read and understand the English language and also

published Internet Guidelines?



-Dj



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Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/

Grumman Yankee Driver N9870L - http://deej.net/yankee/

Join us on the New England Aviation Forums - http://forum.deej.net/

philperry9(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 4:30 pm Post subject: Post Replies

I think I'm just going to hit reply and let the pieces fall where ever they land.  

On Aug 30, 2010 7:19 PM, "Dj Merrill" <deej(at)deej.net (deej(at)deej.net)> wrote:> --> RV10-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej(at)deej.net (deej(at)deej.net)>

 > 

 	  Quote: 	
		   On 8/30/2010 5:21 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:

> --> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)>

> 

> Given your document reference is 15 years old, and that all the major

 >> email software programs(Microsoft, etc) by default use top posting,
	


 	  Quote: 	
		  > not to mention it is far easier to read with preview panes, where you

> don't have to look at the quote unless you want to, I'd say it is open

 >> for debate, and is settled as which primer to use. 
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 	The road rules for the US were established far longer than 15 years

 ago.  Instead of everyone driving on the right side of the road, should

 > each of us just arbitrarily pick the left or right side of the road on a
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   whim?

 

 	English grammar was also established more than 15 years ago.  If you

 are reading a page in a novel written in English, do you read it from

 > the top of the page down, or do you read it from the bottom of the page
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   up?  Should we arbitrarily have some pages on a novel read top down, and

 others bottom up?

 

 	US road rules were made so we could at least make an attempt at being

 > polite drivers and to minimize chaos on the roads.  RFC 1855 was written
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   to offer guidelines on how to be a polite Internet Citizen to help

 minimize chaos and increase understanding.  English grammar is an

 > attempt to offer rules and guidelines so that we can understand the
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   written message based around a common framework.

 

 	Top posting is in violation of both the Netiquette Guidelines AND

 English grammar.  Why propagate a behaviour that is in clear opposition

 > to the way that we read and understand the English language and also
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   published Internet Guidelines?

 

 -Dj

 

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 Dj Merrill - N1JOV

 Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/

 > Grumman Yankee Driver N9870L - http://deej.net/yankee/
	


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rene(at)felker.com
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Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 4:32 pm Post subject: Post Replies

I think I want to discuss primer.



Do Not Archive



But, I do prefer answers on top.........



Rene' Felker

N423CF

801-721-6080



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pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
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Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 4:41 pm Post subject: Post Replies

Rene Felker wrote:

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 I think I want to discuss primer.

   

How about replacement for Weldon 10.
	


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		   Do Not Archive

   

Really useful for this thread!!!
	


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		   But, I do prefer answers on top.........

   

Me too ..... or in the middle, on the bottom, sideways, ...... oops.  
	


Really doesn't matter to me.

Linn



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		   Rene' Felker

 N423CF

 801-721-6080

   


	


SNIP!!!

Kellym

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Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:01 pm Post subject: Post Replies

So did you alodine or not?..................Epoxy or self-etching?

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On 8/30/2010 5:30 PM, Rene Felker wrote:

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 I think I want to discuss primer.



 Do Not Archive



 But, I do prefer answers on top.........



 Rene' Felker

 N423CF

 801-721-6080

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Kelly McMullen
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Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:09 pm Post subject: Post Replies

Since I upgraded from the Commodore 64, I haven't had any problems with the posts 

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 30, 2010, at 18:41, Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 Rene Felker wrote:

> 

> 

> I think I want to discuss primer.

>  

 How about replacement for Weldon 10.

> Do Not Archive

>  

 Really useful for this thread!!!

> But, I do prefer answers on top.........

>  

 Me too ..... or in the middle, on the bottom, sideways, ...... oops.  Really doesn't matter to me.

 Linn

> Rene' Felker

> N423CF

> 801-721-6080

>  

 SNIP!!!

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Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:21 pm Post subject: Re: Post Replies

All you guys crack me up. Now get back to work building or planning that next flight.

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Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:22 pm Post subject: Post Replies

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Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:05 pm Post subject: Post Replies

kdbelue(at)charter.net
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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 4:22 am Post subject: Post Replies

It's not the way I want to do it...



Sent from my iPhone



On Aug 30, 2010, at 7:09 PM, Dj Merrill <deej(at)deej.net> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 On 8/30/2010 5:21 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:

> 

> 

> Given your document reference is 15 years old, and that all the major

> email software programs(Microsoft, etc) by default use top posting,

> not to mention it is far easier to read with preview panes, where you

> don't have to look at the quote unless you want to, I'd say it is open

> for debate, and is settled as which primer to use. 

 

 

    The road rules for the US were established far longer than 15 years

 ago.  Instead of everyone driving on the right side of the road, should

 each of us just arbitrarily pick the left or right side of the road on a

 whim?

 

    English grammar was also established more than 15 years ago.  If you

 are reading a page in a novel written in English, do you read it from

 the top of the page down, or do you read it from the bottom of the page

 up?  Should we arbitrarily have some pages on a novel read top down, and

 others bottom up?

 

    US road rules were made so we could at least make an attempt at being

 polite drivers and to minimize chaos on the roads.  RFC 1855 was written

 to offer guidelines on how to be a polite Internet Citizen to help

 minimize chaos and increase understanding.  English grammar is an

 attempt to offer rules and guidelines so that we can understand the

 written message based around a common framework.

 

    Top posting is in violation of both the Netiquette Guidelines AND

 English grammar.  Why propagate a behaviour that is in clear opposition

 to the way that we read and understand the English language and also

 published Internet Guidelines?

 

 -Dj

 

 -- 

 Dj Merrill - N1JOV

 Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/

 Grumman Yankee Driver N9870L - http://deej.net/yankee/

 Join us on the New England Aviation Forums - http://forum.deej.net/

Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2881

Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 5:06 am Post subject: Post Replies

I wasn't going to continue the thread, but I guess I'll

throw in one more, top posted of course. 

I think that back when text based news readers (remember

reading "newsgroups"?") and non-graphical email clients

like we used to use (like "elm" and "pine") were the popular

email clients, this mattered a whole lot more.  The

mail was read by keystrokes, no mouses were used, and

you couldn't scroll through anything.  Back then, if

you wanted to read a conversation, it would take a lot

of work to follow a thread.

These days, every mail reader I've used when you hit

reply, it top posts the reply, including "alpine", the

"new pine" text client.  The idea is to keep your work

to a minimum, so you hit reply, and start typing.  If

someone wants to read the prior post, they can scroll

for it.  And since almost ALL email clients top reply,

it's "the new standard", just like even though many of

us wish Microsoft wasn't the desktop OS standard, it just

is.

I receive often over 100 emails at work a day, and my

Thunderbird threaded mail reader works awesome for

threaded emails.  In fact, in thread view, it gives

you the top lines of the replies in the thread so you

can be on one email and basically get the gist of

everyone's conversation.  But it pulls that data

from the top of the post.

Also, on the iphone and all other mail clients I use,

when the message goes into the message pane, it's

going to display the email from the top down.

Since I follow the threads and delete as I go, I

don't really CARE what the previous text was most

of the time. I just want to quickly read the new

reply, and then delete it.  If I had to scroll to

the bottom to read the reply (especially while using

my iphone....while driving 85mph on the freeway of

course   ), it would be much more cumbersome to

read peoples replies.  Without top posting, AND trimming

the repetition out of the post, it would quickly

become too annoying to even read mail. At least

with top posting, when someone includes all the

past thread in their reply (either by accident or

ignorance or lazyness), then I don't have to suffer

through it.

So really, whereas I know there was a time when

keyboard based reading made scrolling hard, these days

I think more overall work would have to be done

to read bottom posted emails than top posted emails.

The scroll factor alone would cause me MUCH more work

every day.  Also, I would say that 99.5% of my email

replies I receive are top posted.  These days when

I get that ONE proper bottom post reply, it actually

is annoying, because I have to scroll through crap

to read it.

If that makes me a bad net citizen, oh well, but the

tide has shifted far too much to go back, so I guess

I say, go with the flow....we're now driving on the

other side of the road.

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

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On 8/30/2010 7:09 PM, Dj Merrill wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 On 8/30/2010 5:21 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:

> 

>

> Given your document reference is 15 years old, and that all the major

> email software programs(Microsoft, etc) by default use top posting,

> not to mention it is far easier to read with preview panes, where you

> don't have to look at the quote unless you want to, I'd say it is open

> for debate, and is settled as which primer to use. 

 	The road rules for the US were established far longer than 15 years

 ago.  Instead of everyone driving on the right side of the road, should

 each of us just arbitrarily pick the left or right side of the road on a

 whim?

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