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tylorhall(at)mac.com
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 Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 4:26 pm Post subject: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane On I-10 - Jacksonvi |
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Wow, getting on the ground and walking away after both engines quit is a good thing.Too bad you can't use the plane again.
That sounds like a miss fueling with Jet A.
Shortly after take off one engine quits and about the time you have it turned around the other quits?
I would be checking who fueled it last and with what?
Another Commander gives up its life to save its passengers.
Tylor Hall
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LLOYDSSS11(at)MSN.COM
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| Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 4:53 pm Post subject: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane On I-10 - Jacksonvi |
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<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]--> TYLOR, ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO ON A RAINING LOW VISIBILITY IFR NIGHT, OUT OF PORTLAND MAINE, I ASKED AN FBO TO ADD 25 GALS TO THE 90 GALS ON BOARD.THERE IS A RESTRICTOR AT THE FUEL INTAKE OF MY 500B. THRU A SERIES OF BAD COINCIDENTAL MISTAKES THEY PUT IN 25 GALS OF JET FUEL. IN FLIGHT I EXPERIENCED HI ENGINE HEAT AND POOR PERFORMANCE. SLOWED TO ABOUT 40 % POWER WITH COWL FLAPS FULL OPEN AND MADE IT TO DESTINATION. THE 80% 100 OCT IS WHY WE DIDN’T COME DOWN.... ALWAYS WATCH THEM FUEL YOUR AIRCRAFT. LLOYD
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tylorhall(at)mac.com
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| Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 5:25 pm Post subject: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane On I-10 - Jacksonvi |
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LLoyd,It happened to Bob Hover once in his 500S.
I stopped a new line girl from fueling a 690B with AVGAS once and told her to go get the jet truck.
I had a 500 B for a year and you are right. Never leave the line to fuel the aircraft or there will be a problem.
It is amazing to what lengths Line men will go to try and get that Duck Bill Jet nozzle in the fill port with a small hole in it.
With a Commander and the single main fuel tank, if you do not get mixing, the Jet A being heavier will go to to the bottom sump.
Then each engine gets almost pure jet A about 200' off the ground and both engines quit.
I was flying a Bonanza that was fueled with a bad batch of fuel. The delivery truck had hauled a load of Jet A and did not get flushed out when he hauled AVGAS. The samples came out 4-8% Jet.
We had the same high temperatures even with full mixture and reduced manifold pressures.
That was the night we made an IFR approach to minimums and only saw the end of runway lights and did a missed.
Flew about 5 miles west to another airport and broke out at 700'.
Tylor Hall
On Sep 10, 2010, at 6:52 PM, lloyd silverman wrote:
[quote]TYLOR, ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO ON A RAINING LOW VISIBILITY IFR NIGHT, OUT OF PORTLAND MAINE, I ASKED AN FBO TO ADD 25 GALS TO THE 90 GALS ON BOARD.THERE IS A RESTRICTOR AT THE FUEL INTAKE OF MY 500B. THRU A SERIES OF BAD COINCIDENTAL MISTAKES THEY PUT IN 25 GALS OF JET FUEL. IN FLIGHT I EXPERIENCED HI ENGINE HEAT AND POOR PERFORMANCE. SLOWED TO ABOUT 40 % POWER WITH COWL FLAPS FULL OPEN AND MADE IT TO DESTINATION. THE 80% 100 OCT IS WHY WE DIDN’T COME DOWN.... ALWAYS WATCH THEM FUEL YOUR AIRCRAFT. LLOYD
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LLOYDSSS11(at)MSN.COM
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| Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 5:52 pm Post subject: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane On I-10 - Jacksonvi |
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<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]--> TYLOR, I GUESS MY FUEL LOAD MIXED. THE ENGINES DIDN’T QUIT AND IM STILL HERE.
BY THE WAY THE NOZZLE ON THE JETA TRUCK HAD JAMMED AND THEY TEMPORARILY REPLACED IT WITH A 100 OCT NOZZLE. LINE BOY HAD JUST FUELED ATURBO COMMANDER. IT COULD HAVE BEEN WORSE.LLOYD
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white_rhino_ps(at)yahoo.c
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| Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 8:49 pm Post subject: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane On I-10 - Jacksonvi |
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Bob Hoover was refueled with Jet-A. I watched while he took off trailing heavy back smoke... Fuel your own plane.
Craig
From: lloyd silverman <LLOYDSSS11(at)MSN.COM>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Fri, September 10, 2010 6:51:08 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane On I-10 - Jacksonville News Stor...
TYLOR, I GUESS MY FUEL LOAD MIXED. THE ENGINES DIDN’T QUIT AND IM STILL HERE.
BY THE WAY THE NOZZLE ON THE JETA TRUCK HAD JAMMED AND THEY TEMPORARILY REPLACED IT WITH A 100 OCT NOZZLE. LINE BOY HAD JUST FUELED ATURBO COMMANDER. IT COULD HAVE BEEN WORSE.LLOYD
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nico(at)cybersuperstore.c
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| Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 9:14 pm Post subject: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane On I-10 - Jacksonvi |
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We should have been at the fly-in. But, I guess we are keeping the home fires burning while the others are holding the Group's flag high in Hillsboro.
I wrote about this a while ago, but I had my 500's tanks filled with Jet fuel when I wasn't looking. I had to rush into town in a smaller city because I was already latish, and it was taken care of by the FBO. What I didn't know (and it wouldn't have changed the outcome either) was that turbine Commanders were flying in and out of this airport at night doing freight runs. So, the linesman did what he was used to and filled her up with avtur. I don't know how the nozzles business worked for the poor guy, but when I got back and was handed the bill for the fuel, it was about 100 bucks less than I expected. If I had been a greedy guy, I might have taken off thinking I got a bargain, but I complained. That's when they checked the receipt and verified that the amount was correct and that's what avtur costs.
So, the FBO drained the contaminated fuel, filled the tanks with avgas, let it sit for a weekend, drained it again and filled it one more time with fresh gas. Then he took samples of the fuel and sent them to the oil company for verification that the fuel is clean. It took more than a week before I got back to my Charlie and took her home. The FBO picked up the tab and paid for my commercial flight tickets to boot. All I had to pay was for the difference between avtur and avgas.
The local DCA (the equivalent of the FAA in South Africa back then) sent me a letter of reprimand because I didn't supervise my refueling operation personally.
I firmly believe that I would have crashed on that short runway when the engines would have quit as I hung a couple of hundred feet above the neighborhood.
It pays not to be greedy.
Nico
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of craig kennedy
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 9:40 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Fw: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane On I-10 - Jacksonville News Stor...
Bob Hoover was refueled with Jet-A. I watched while he took off trailing heavy back smoke... Fuel your own plane.
Craig
From: lloyd silverman <LLOYDSSS11(at)MSN.COM>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Fri, September 10, 2010 6:51:08 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane On I-10 - Jacksonville News Stor...
TYLOR, I GUESS MY FUEL LOAD MIXED. THE ENGINES DIDN’T QUIT AND IM STILL HERE.
BY THE WAY THE NOZZLE ON THE JETA TRUCK HAD JAMMED AND THEY TEMPORARILY REPLACED IT WITH A 100 OCT NOZZLE. LINE BOY HAD JUST FUELED ATURBO COMMANDER. IT COULD HAVE BEEN WORSE.LLOYD
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V-Man(at)V-Man.net
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| Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 9:29 pm Post subject: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane On I-10 - Jacksonvi |
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Amen!
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On Sep 11, 2010, at 12:09 AM, "cybersuperstore" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com (nico(at)cybersuperstore.com)> wrote:
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We should have been at the fly-in. But, I guess we are keeping the home fires burning while the others are holding the Group's flag high in Hillsboro.
I wrote about this a while ago, but I had my 500's tanks filled with Jet fuel when I wasn't looking. I had to rush into town in a smaller city because I was already latish, and it was taken care of by the FBO. What I didn't know (and it wouldn't have changed the outcome either) was that turbine Commanders were flying in and out of this airport at night doing freight runs. So, the linesman did what he was used to and filled her up with avtur. I don't know how the nozzles business worked for the poor guy, but when I got back and was handed the bill for the fuel, it was about 100 bucks less than I expected. If I had been a greedy guy, I might have taken off thinking I got a bargain, but I complained. That's when they checked the receipt and verified that the amount was correct and that's what avtur costs.
So, the FBO drained the contaminated fuel, filled the tanks with avgas, let it sit for a weekend, drained it again and filled it one more time with fresh gas. Then he took samples of the fuel and sent them to the oil company for verification that the fuel is clean. It took more than a week before I got back to my Charlie and took her home. The FBO picked up the tab and paid for my commercial flight tickets to boot. All I had to pay was for the difference between avtur and avgas.
The local DCA (the equivalent of the FAA in South Africa back then) sent me a letter of reprimand because I didn't supervise my refueling operation personally.
I firmly believe that I would have crashed on that short runway when the engines would have quit as I hung a couple of hundred feet above the neighborhood.
It pays not to be greedy.
Nico
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of craig kennedy
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 9:40 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com (commander-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane On I-10 - Jacksonville News Stor...
Bob Hoover was refueled with Jet-A. I watched while he took off trailing heavy back smoke... Fuel your own plane.
Craig
From: lloyd silverman <LLOYDSSS11(at)MSN.COM (LLOYDSSS11(at)MSN.COM)>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com (commander-list(at)matronics.com)
Sent: Fri, September 10, 2010 6:51:08 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane On I-10 - Jacksonville News Stor...
TYLOR, I GUESS MY FUEL LOAD MIXED. THE ENGINES DIDN’T QUIT AND IM STILL HERE.
BY THE WAY THE NOZZLE ON THE JETA TRUCK HAD JAMMED AND THEY TEMPORARILY REPLACED IT WITH A 100 OCT NOZZLE. LINE BOY HAD JUST FUELED ATURBO COMMANDER. IT COULD HAVE BEEN WORSE.LLOYD
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andrew.bridget(at)telus.n
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| Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 9:49 pm Post subject: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane On I-10 - Jacksonvi |
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I read about Mr Hoover's Jet fuel experience in his book...what amazed me was he sought out the line-boy (just a teenager) and told him that in the future he wanted him, and him only to fuel his aircraft. Gave the kid back some pride, and for sure that young man wasn't going to mess up again. Bob Hoover is not only an excellent pilot, but also a true gentleman.
Andrew.
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