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williamtsullivan(at)att.n
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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 5:50 am Post subject: Another wheel question

Gene- I got them just fine.

  

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                                         Bill Sullivan

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russkinne(at)mac.com
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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 5:56 am Post subject: Another wheel question

what pictures?



On Oct 17, 2010, at 7:46 AM, Eugene Zimmerman wrote:



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 Guys, I'm curious.  Has anyone else had trouble viewing the  

 pictures in my e-mail post?





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Eugene Zimmerman

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 392

Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 9:48 am Post subject: Another wheel question

Ok Bob thanx,

I'm assuming It must just be a particular e-mail client problem then.

I suppose some clients have good reasons to be paranoid about malicious attachments because of their particular systemic vulnerabilities. 



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQb_Q8WRL_g



On Oct 17, 2010, at 9:19 AM, robert bean wrote:

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they came through fine for me[b]

Dallas Shepherd

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 8

Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 12:40 pm Post subject: Another wheel question

Dana

Joined: 13 Dec 2007
Posts: 1047
Location: Connecticut, USA

Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 6:50 pm Post subject: Another wheel question

At 10:11 AM 10/16/2010, K I wrote:



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		  This is not my plane. It was one I considered purchasing at one time. This plane has never been in the air according to the seller. I think it has been disassembled and sold for parts by now. Never the less, here are the photos you asked for. 	


 That actually makes for a rather attractive airplane.  Looks like much lower angle on the landing gear legs, to offset the increase in height from the larger wheels.



 One drawback of larger wheels is that the brakes have to work harder, since the larger wheels put more torque on the brakes.



 -Dana

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  "A designer knows he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away." -Antoine de Saint-Exup,ry    [quote][b]

David Lucas

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 79
Location: Europe. based Amsterdam NL

Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 2:47 am Post subject: Re: Another wheel question

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		  Guys, I'm curious. Has anyone else had trouble viewing the pictures in my e-mail post?



	




Yes ! I did, but it's not an unusual occurrence with my set-up (Hotmail on Laptop running Win. Vista etc). Some get through, others don't. The ones that don't look like a series of Letters and numbers like this; 



gAABBRi1DICAAAFJFRC1FWUUAgCIAAOgDAABBVVRPICAAAEFVVE8gICAgICAgICAAT0ZGICAgICAgICAg



But it takes up a huge amount of space on the e-mail (hundreds of lines), reducing the vertical slider to about 1/8th inch thick on a 15 inch screen. When it happens, I just go to the matronics site to look at the photos. There's probably some way of correcting it, but I haven't got around to researching it.



David.

Thumper

Joined: 24 Aug 2008
Posts: 46
Location: Oakland TN.

Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 5:43 pm Post subject: Re: Another wheel question

What is the correct toe in and will that be with the tail wheel on the ground or elevated a bit?  Ready to install my brakes with the new style axle to leg attachments on my Firestar KX.  I am thinking no toe with tail on the ground and when the tail comes up there will be some?  Any tips would be great.

Thanks  The existing tires appear to be toe out until the tail comes up then they appear straight.  It seems to handle fine on the blacktop and grass.

Dennis

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Oakland TN
2000 Aeroprakt A20 Vista Cruiser, 2016 A22LS Aeroprakt
Previously Kolb Mark IIIC, 94 Firestar, 84 Ultrastar.
1200+hours since 1/1/2009

by0ung(at)brigham.net
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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 6:40 am Post subject: Another wheel question

What is the correct toe in and will that be with the tail wheel on the

ground or elevated a bit?  Ready to install my brakes with the new style

axle to leg attachments on my Firestar KX.  I am thinking no toe with tail

on the ground and when the tail comes up there will be some?  Any tips would

be great.

Thanks  The existing tires appear to be toe out until the tail comes up then

they appear straight.  It seems to handle fine on the blacktop and grass.

Dennis



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The instruction manual for my mark III  says   "  the wheels should be

aligned as shown: Parallel with the centerline axis of the airplane.   If

you must err,   err on the side of having the wheels toe out a bit.   Do not

have any "toe-in""



I know that there has been conversation on the list that toe in is better,,

toe out is better,,  straight is better...  



Which is the best maybe I don't know,,,,  but the above statement is from

the kolb instruction manual.  Take it for what it is worth.   My mkIII works

well on pavement.



Boyd young mkIII

mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co
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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 7:33 am Post subject: Another wheel question

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		   What is the correct toe in 

  
	


 > The instruction manual for my mark III says " the wheels should be

 	  Quote: 	
		   aligned as shown: Parallel with the centerline axis of the airplane. If

 you must err, err on the side of having the wheels toe out

  
	


 > Boyd young mkIII



 Boyd, Dennis, group,

  

   I recall (clearly) the last time this subject came up.  I had set my own "toe setting"

 within a few days of the previous discussion.  I set my newly-built steel gear legs to 

 have slight toe out.  This is what the Kolb manual said, so that's what I did.

  

   I read somewhere a long time ago that a taildragger airplane should have slight toe-out.

 The thinking is that if one wing is raised, the remaining rolling tire will try to drive AWAY from the

 raised wing, causing it to lower.  In the fast and furious events of a raised wing landing, 

 whether this really makes a difference, I don't have any idea.  But that's the theory.

  

   I also remember John H said he had slight toe-in, and Kolbs like a little toe-in.  If that

 is true that Kolbs like a little toe-in; 

 A) he'd probably know, more than anyone else

 OR 

 B) a little toe-out, a little toe-in, or straight may not make any noticable difference

 whatsoever.

  

   I think the latter may be the truth of the matter.  Go with a straight toe setting, 

 and you won't know the difference.

  

   From my math calculations, I came up with a 2 degree toe-out for each tire, on my plane.  

 I think if I were doing it again, I think I would set them straight and not think about them again.

 To look at them, they appear to be straight.

   If I remember correctly, measured at the front of the tire, if straight were zero, toe-in would be 

 about an 1/8th", and toe-out is about an 1/8th".  

  

   I'd go with the Kolb recommended setting....set them straight, but if you are going to err,

 don't err, just set them straight!!!

  

 Mike Welch

 MkIII,  getting closer all the time

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jbhart(at)onlyinternet.ne
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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 9:35 am Post subject: Another wheel question

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		   What is the correct toe in 

 
	


Boyd,



You cannot talk about toe in with out addressing camber and aircraft5 loading 

too.  I 

had zero toe in and trying to taxi on hard surface runway, the FireFly was 

wild in any cross wind condition.  Then I adjusted camber and set it with 

the gear settled with 200 pounds of bagged sand in the seat.  No move 

problems.  Very docile during cross wind conditions.  How it was done can be 

seen at:



http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly126.html



and:

http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly127.html

jbhart(at)onlyinternet.ne
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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 9:35 am Post subject: Another wheel question

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		   What is the correct toe in 

 
	


Boyd,



You cannot talk about toe in with out addressing camber and aircraft5 loading 

too.  I had zero toe in and trying to taxi on hard surface runway, the FireFly 

was wild in any cross wind condition.  Then I adjusted camber and set it with 

the gear settled with 200 pounds of bagged sand in the seat.  No more problems.  

Very docile during cross wind conditions.  How it was done can be seen at:



http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly126.html



and:



http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly127.html



Jack B. Hart FF004

Winchester, IN

John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 10:58 am Post subject: Another wheel question

> Which is the best maybe I don't know,,,,  but the above statement is from

 	  Quote: 	
		   the kolb instruction manual.  Take it for what it is worth.   My mkIII 

 works

 well on pavement.



 Boyd young mkIII


	




Boyd Y/Gang:



My mkIII also performs well on pavement with 800X6 Air Tracs.  I set mine up 

neutral, but there must be a tad of toe in because the gear will spread when 

pushed backwards.



john h

mkIII

Rock House, OR

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John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler
Titus, Alabama

John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 11:03 am Post subject: Another wheel question

Mike W/Gang:

  

 Based on the type of landing gear legs on Kolb  Aircraft, toe out will cause the main gear to spread, especially on pavement, if  they are toed out.  This will cause increased drag and slow take offs, plus  accelerate wear on the tires.  On grass, the Kolb probably could care less  which way the wheels point.

  

 john h

 mkIII

 Rock House, OR

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  I'd go with the Kolb    recommended setting....set them straight, but if you are going to    err,

don't err, just set them straight!!!

 

Mike Welch

MkIII,     getting closer all the time



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MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler
Titus, Alabama

Richard Pike

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 1671
Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 3:48 pm Post subject: Re: Another wheel question

Sigh...



http://imageresizer.codeplex.com/



Richard Pike

MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)

herbgh(at)nctc.com
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Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 4:12 pm Post subject: Another wheel question

Neat program Richard...I use Irfanview...which is more involved... 

Right clicking on an image and then clicking on drop down menu item 

is simple...Herb

At 06:48 PM 10/22/2010, you wrote:

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Sigh...



http://imageresizer.codeplex.com/



Richard Pike

MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)





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