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kearney
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Hi
I have been trolling through the archives to see what people think of their center consoles. I have read that they can reduce knee room, perhaps too much so. I am hoping those who have them installed would venture an opinion as to whether or not they would install them again, given the chance.
Cheers
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rleffler
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Les,
It depends on what you mean by center console. Since I’m most familiar with Aerosport Products console, I use that as an example. With the instrument panel, Geoff includes a lower console that ties the panel to the tunnel. This does intrude a bit on leg room. However, with that said, I don’t find it obtrusive. I’ve flown in two different RV-10s with this installed and sat in mine, which isn’t flying. The center arm rest console doesn’t impact knee room at all.
In all three of these RV-10s, the extra space that the lower console was needed for extra avionics. I needed that space to put my VP-200 display unit. I had room to put it on the panel, but the scan pattern started to get a little unusual. It keep things more logically orientated, I move the VP-200 display to the lower console area.
Bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 9:22 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Center Console
Hi
I have been trolling through the archives to see what people think of their center consoles. I have read that they can reduce knee room, perhaps too much so. I am hoping those who have them installed would venture an opinion as to whether or not they would install them again, given the chance.
Cheers
Les 01234567890123456
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drfred(at)suddenlinkmail.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 8:26 am Post subject: Center Console |
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Les;
I have the accuracy avionics console. I would not put one in if I built another RV10. I think it makes the tunnel maintenance too difficult. I also do get some knee/leg pain by not being able to rotate my hip. If you can figure out how to get all the whiz bangs in the upper panel, I think you will not have to look back on your design and want to change it. I ended up putting access panels on both sides of the tunnel to be able to get in there and will be moving my fuel filter to individual units under the seats to not have to get to the filter in the bottom of the tunnel.
I have to share this story with the group. I got pulled over by a cop in my RV 10 this weekend.
I was flying from Paris to Lubbock (about two hrs flight time) to pick up my son and the daughter of my nurse who both are in school at Texas Tech. About 45 minutes out from the Class C airspace and the middle of West Texas, my bladder strain gauge couldn't handle anymore. My line of flight takes me over a very nice airstrip the 6666 Ranch. There is never anyone around, one hangar there for the ranch, and both the 496 and the 430 says it is a public strip. My nurse was with me and rather than share too much information, I decided to land.
I set down on the first 1/3 of the runway, and rather than taxi all the way down to the other end, I turned around to the pull out at the north end of the runway. Got out, left the engine running, and got strain relief, and climbed back in.
About this time, here comes a red Ford Bronco down the center of the runway. I'm about to pull out on the runway. The cop pulls up and jumps out and signals me to open the door. He is insistent on talking to me. I could read it from the body language. You know how police officers occasionally get anxious and demanding. Well, I had the xm radio still on so I had to turn that off, and finally opened the door for him.
He asked my what I was doing, did I know this was a private airstrip, and did I know there was a Falcon jet "fixin to land" and just a couple minutes out. I told him I had an emergency and had to land to get relief. He looked a little flabbergasted when he finally realized why I landed and let me go.
30 seconds later I was airborne, on my way to pick up the kids, my bladder felt better and I had a smile on my face and a great flying story.
Guess I better pick another unoccupied airstrip for the next trip out. Looks like I wore out the welcome. 
Dr Fred.
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n223rv(at)wolflakeairport
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| Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:06 am Post subject: Center Console |
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I had a center console in my RV-4. During construction I sat in it numerous times and it felt great, no problem. Of course I was only sitting there for about 10 minutes each time making engine noises and dreaming....
Then after I started flying, I was sitting there much longer and found I really could not move my knees much and that it became very uncomfortable. I eventually replaced my instrument panel and made everything fit above and removed the center console. It is so much more comfortable now..... Hence my RV-10 will not have a center console either.... But a nice armrest would be cool.... Anyone have any good ideas ideas on do-it-yourself armrests?
-Mike
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On Nov 8, 2010, at 5:19 AM, "Bob Leffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com (rv(at)thelefflers.com)> wrote:
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Les,
It depends on what you mean by center console. Since I’m most familiar with Aerosport Products console, I use that as an example. With the instrument panel, Geoff includes a lower console that ties the panel to the tunnel. This does intrude a bit on leg room. However, with that said, I don’t find it obtrusive. I’ve flown in two different RV-10s with this installed and sat in mine, which isn’t flying. The center arm rest console doesn’t impact knee room at all.
In all three of these RV-10s, the extra space that the lower console was needed for extra avionics. I needed that space to put my VP-200 display unit. I had room to put it on the panel, but the scan pattern started to get a little unusual. It keep things more logically orientated, I move the VP-200 display to the lower console area.
Bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 9:22 PM
To: [url=mailto:rv10-list(at)matronics.com]rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)[/url]
Subject: Center Console
Hi
I have been trolling through the archives to see what people think of their center consoles. I have read that they can reduce knee room, perhaps too much so. I am hoping those who have them installed would venture an opinion as to whether or not they would install them again, given the chance.
Cheers
Les 01234567890123456
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| Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:26 am Post subject: Center Console |
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Interesting story. Were those normal markings for a police car (a red ford Bronco with enough room for stuff in the back) or were you interupting something that both the cop and the Falcon jet were not supposed to be doing?
Maybe you were lucky they needed the runway clear and you were the best person for the job to clear it!
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 10:22:40 -0600
From: drfred(at)suddenlinkmail.com
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Center Console
Les;
I have the accuracy avionics console. I would not put one in if I built another RV10. I think it makes the tunnel maintenance too difficult. I also do get some knee/leg pain by not being able to rotate my hip. If you can figure out how to get all the whiz bangs in the upper panel, I think you will not have to look back on your design and want to change it. I ended up putting access panels on both sides of the tunnel to be able to get in there and will be moving my fuel filter to individual units under the seats to not have to get to the filter in the bottom of the tunnel.
I have to share this story with the group. I got pulled over by a cop in my RV 10 this weekend.
I was flying from Paris to Lubbock (about two hrs flight time) to pick up my son and the daughter of my nurse who both are in school at Texas Tech. About 45 minutes out from the Class C airspace and the middle of West Texas, my bladder strain gauge couldn't handle anymore. My line of flight takes me over a very nice airstrip the 6666 Ranch. There is never anyone around, one hangar there for the ranch, and both the 496 and the 430 says it is a public strip. My nurse was with me and rather than share too much information, I decided to land.
I set down on the first 1/3 of the runway, and rather than taxi all the way down to the other end, I turned around to the pull out at the north end of the runway. Got out, left the engine running, and got strain relief, and climbed back in.
About this time, here comes a red Ford Bronco down the center of the runway. I'm about to pull out on the runway. The cop pulls up and jumps out and signals me to open the door. He is insistent on talking to me. I could read it from the body language. You know how police officers occasionally get anxious and demanding. Well, I had the xm radio still on so I had to turn that off, and finally opened the door for him.
He asked my what I was doing, did I know this was a private airstrip, and did I know there was a Falcon jet "fixin to land" and just a couple minutes out. I told him I had an emergency and had to land to get relief. He looked a little flabbergasted when he finally realized why I landed and let me go.
30 seconds later I was airborne, on my way to pick up the kids, my bladder felt better and I had a smile on my face and a great flying story.
Guess I better pick another unoccupied airstrip for the next trip out. Looks like I wore out the welcome.
Dr Fred.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:45 am Post subject: Center Console |
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John;
I just surprised the local cop who was there to open the airport for the landowner. The 6666 ranch is a big operation out in West Texas. This wasn't a drug run or nothing like that.
Dr Fred
On 11/8/2010 11:17 AM, John Gonzalez wrote: [quote] Interesting story. Were those normal markings for a police car (a red ford Bronco with enough room for stuff in the back) or were you interupting something that both the cop and the Falcon jet were not supposed to be doing?
Maybe you were lucky they needed the runway clear and you were the best person for the job to clear it!
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kearney
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| Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:51 am Post subject: Center Console |
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Fred et al
Thanks for the comments. In My Cherokee, I do like to move my legs around and I suspect that I will find a center forward consol to be a bit too constraining.
My inclination for the moment is to forget the forward center consol and perhaps even the between the seats consol as well.
Cheers
Les
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Williams, M.D.
Sent: November-08-10 9:23 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Center Console
Les;
I have the accuracy avionics console. I would not put one in if I built another RV10. I think it makes the tunnel maintenance too difficult. I also do get some knee/leg pain by not being able to rotate my hip. If you can figure out how to get all the whiz bangs in the upper panel, I think you will not have to look back on your design and want to change it. I ended up putting access panels on both sides of the tunnel to be able to get in there and will be moving my fuel filter to individual units under the seats to not have to get to the filter in the bottom of the tunnel.
I have to share this story with the group. I got pulled over by a cop in my RV 10 this weekend.
I was flying from Paris to Lubbock (about two hrs flight time) to pick up my son and the daughter of my nurse who both are in school at Texas Tech. About 45 minutes out from the Class C airspace and the middle of West Texas, my bladder strain gauge couldn't handle anymore. My line of flight takes me over a very nice airstrip the 6666 Ranch. There is never anyone around, one hangar there for the ranch, and both the 496 and the 430 says it is a public strip. My nurse was with me and rather than share too much information, I decided to land.
I set down on the first 1/3 of the runway, and rather than taxi all the way down to the other end, I turned around to the pull out at the north end of the runway. Got out, left the engine running, and got strain relief, and climbed back in.
About this time, here comes a red Ford Bronco down the center of the runway. I'm about to pull out on the runway. The cop pulls up and jumps out and signals me to open the door. He is insistent on talking to me. I could read it from the body language. You know how police officers occasionally get anxious and demanding. Well, I had the xm radio still on so I had to turn that off, and finally opened the door for him.
He asked my what I was doing, did I know this was a private airstrip, and did I know there was a Falcon jet "fixin to land" and just a couple minutes out. I told him I had an emergency and had to land to get relief. He looked a little flabbergasted when he finally realized why I landed and let me go.
30 seconds later I was airborne, on my way to pick up the kids, my bladder felt better and I had a smile on my face and a great flying story.
Guess I better pick another unoccupied airstrip for the next trip out. Looks like I wore out the welcome.
Dr Fred.
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Deems Davis
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| Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:26 am Post subject: Center Console |
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I've got a center console and like it so I'm biased. But what I'm missing and would like to understand is how the center console interferes with leg/knee movement? The tunnel is there one way or the other, and its height pretty well prohibits lifting and moving a leg over or onto it. And unless you're even shorter than me and have your seat so far forward that your knees are trapped under and forward of your instrument panel I don't see how it gets in the way. I can see how the center console between the seats could inhibit some 'wiggle room' but the arm rest and readily access storage is a pretty good trade-off. The only issue I see is that some times I have to fish for the seatbelts, that get trapped between it and the seats.
Deems - stirrin the pot - Davis
On 11/8/2010 10:48 AM, Les Kearney wrote: [quote] Fred et al
Thanks for the comments. In My Cherokee, I do like to move my legs around and I suspect that I will find a center forward consol to be a bit too constraining.
My inclination for the moment is to forget the forward center consol and perhaps even the between the seats consol as well.
Cheers
Les
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Fred Williams, M.D.
Sent: November-08-10 9:23 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Center Console
Les;
I have the accuracy avionics console. I would not put one in if I built another RV10. I think it makes the tunnel maintenance too difficult. I also do get some knee/leg pain by not being able to rotate my hip. If you can figure out how to get all the whiz bangs in the upper panel, I think you will not have to look back on your design and want to change it. I ended up putting access panels on both sides of the tunnel to be able to get in there and will be moving my fuel filter to individual units under the seats to not have to get to the filter in the bottom of the tunnel.
I have to share this story with the group. I got pulled over by a cop in my RV 10 this weekend.
I was flying from Paris to Lubbock (about two hrs flight time) to pick up my son and the daughter of my nurse who both are in school at Texas Tech. About 45 minutes out from the Class C airspace and the middle of West Texas, my bladder strain gauge couldn't handle anymore. My line of flight takes me over a very nice airstrip the 6666 Ranch. There is never anyone around, one hangar there for the ranch, and both the 496 and the 430 says it is a public strip. My nurse was with me and rather than share too much information, I decided to land.
I set down on the first 1/3 of the runway, and rather than taxi all the way down to the other end, I turned around to the pull out at the north end of the runway. Got out, left the engine running, and got strain relief, and climbed back in.
About this time, here comes a red Ford Bronco down the center of the runway. I'm about to pull out on the runway. The cop pulls up and jumps out and signals me to open the door. He is insistent on talking to me. I could read it from the body language. You know how police officers occasionally get anxious and demanding. Well, I had the xm radio still on so I had to turn that off, and finally opened the door for him.
He asked my what I was doing, did I know this was a private airstrip, and did I know there was a Falcon jet "fixin to land" and just a couple minutes out. I told him I had an emergency and had to land to get relief. He looked a little flabbergasted when he finally realized why I landed and let me go.
30 seconds later I was airborne, on my way to pick up the kids, my bladder felt better and I had a smile on my face and a great flying story.
Guess I better pick another unoccupied airstrip for the next trip out. Looks like I wore out the welcome.
Dr Fred.
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aerosport1
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I have to chime in here on the lower center console and center arm rest people are talking about. Some older center consoles were not as ergonomic or
pilot friendly as what Aerosport's lower console is. We did many prototypes to get as little intrusion as possible in the pilot and copilot side. I think we changed
the shape 4-5 times before we were happy with the comfort and able to get 6.25" wide radio stack items installed. I have attached a couple pictures of older
center consoles that were very intrusive and maybe a little uncomfortable for some. Also my aircraft. That being said I have flown 9 hrs days in my 10 and have never once thought that
this was in the way. I have plenty of room to move my legs and not feel pinned in. That being said everyone is different in body size and build. Some
people who are much taller or use up more useful load might be more uncomfortable than others. That being said I have had 6'6" people in my airplane and they
have had no problems with the center console. As for the difficulty of removing for annual inspection that is more a lack of proper planning than it is the center consoles
fault. If you are going to put one in, plan accordingly and make it so you can remove and get to you fuel filter. That thing in a big pain in the butt with or without
a lower center console. You must make it removable. I just finished my annual and I had no problems getting to my filter. I did remove the center console.
I did put a door on the side of the tunnel which is a must in my opinion.
As for the center arm rest that is a personal choice. I love having it and would not remove it. I have flown in 10's without it and I always thought it would be nice to
have that arm rest. That is my opinion. I love having the storage space to put glasses and phone in and what ever else might fit. The console is maybe 1/4" wider the the
tunnel. As said earlier people with a larger body sizes might have a problem with this center arm rest and they should not install them. You must build your airplane
to suit your needs. That is why you are building and not buying.
If you like it put it in. It will still be better than any other certified aircraft because you built it for you.
Geoff
Geoff Combs
Aerosport Products
8090 Howe Industrial Parkway
Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110
voice 614-834-8659
fax 614-834-5230
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AirMike
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One of the cool things about these planes is that you can make them whatever you want. Geoff has what is probably one of the most luxurious RV10's and it shows VERY nice (saw it at OSH). My plane on the opposite end is quite spartan with no real back seats. My goal was lightness and it was achieved - presently at about 1730#. I noticed after the phase one that on long cross country flights that a center storage place/arm rest would be nice. A removable one would be great. When two are in front - you really need a storage area for maps, drinks, pens, extra canulas, and junk. I already have the Vans glove box on the passenger side of the panel. A pre-formed kit of carbon fiber or aluminum would be great. Anyone at Vans listening.
I like by vernier controls and the open area in which to stretch my legs under the instrument panel.
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